Free Speech being attacked by Trump and it is losing the battle

[Luckyone]

ABC suspends Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show indefinitely over his remarks about Charlie Kirk’s death​

This action was done by Brandon Carr (Secretary of the FCC - appointed by Donald Trump).

What makes this action even worse is that Carr has been a strong proponent of Free Speech in the past, and here he goes and attacks Free Speech.

Here are Carr's comments in the past about Free Speech

In 2019 he said: "Should the government censor speech it doesn't like? Of course not. The FCC does not have a roving mandate to police speech in the name of the 'public interest'".

In 2023 he said: "Free speech is the counterweight—it is the check on government control. That is why censorship is the authoritarian’s dream".

In 2024 he said: “A lot of social media companies have embraced, or re-embraced, the idea of free speech online, I think Elon Musk and X had a great deal to do with that. I was pleased to see Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook join him, but clearly there’s more we can do.”

Now and after this suspension of Kimmel was done, this was Carr's comment" "Local broadcasters have an obligation to serve the public interest. While this may be an unprecedented decision, it is important for broadcasters to push back on Disney programming that they determine falls short of community values. I hope that other broadcasters follow Nexstar's lead."

This OP is not about Kimmel himself. I never was a fan of Kimmel as I am against all extremes and Kimmel was all about Trump every show. Too much (in my opinion). Nonetheless, first was Steven Colbert and now Jimmy Kimmel and who is next?

Here is the comment from the ACLU after this event:

ACLU Responds to Trump Administration Move Censoring Jimmy Kimmel​

Christopher Anders, director of the Democracy and Technology Division at the American Civil Liberties Union, said:

“Jimmy Kimmel is the latest target of the Trump administration’s unconstitutional plan to silence its critics and control what the American people watch and read. Cowering to threats, ABC and the biggest owner of its affiliate stations gave the Trump FCC chairman exactly what he wanted by suspending Kimmel indefinitely and dropping the show.

“This is beyond McCarthyism. Trump officials are repeatedly abusing their power to stop ideas they don’t like, deciding who can speak, write, and even joke. The Trump administration's actions, paired with ABC's capitulation, represent a grave threat to our First Amendment freedoms.”

This OP is about Free Speech, which is a right given to us by the Constitution and one we have strongly defended throughout the lifetime of our country. Now, that Free Speech is being attacked and is losing the battle.

I think this is wrong.

 

[Votto]

As a conservative, I could care less about Kimmel. In fact, I think having him on helped the conservative cause because no one watched him as he had abysmal ratings.

The very fact he stayed on as long as he did with such abysmal ratings was hilarious

But we still have hope as he is merely suspended. No doubt, they will find a way to get him back for you so he can continue his TDS rants you have come to love.

Just kidding, I know you did not watch either.

 

[citygator]

I think some of these are tricky. Its one thing to fire someone who you think doesnt represent you well which I support. Its another thing to fire someone because the government is mad at you and regulates your business, this i do not support.

Conservatives were shitting themselves when the government was pressuring social media to flag false statements about covid as false statements. We are seeing a big break from that ideology now. IF the government doesnt like speech conservatives dont like.. then suddenly speech isnt so important. Uh. Ok.

 

[martybegan]

I think some of these are tricky. Its one thing to fire someone who you think doesnt represent you well which I support. Its another thing to fire someone because the government is mad at you and regulates your business, this i do not support.

Conservatives were shitting themselves when the government was pressuring social media to flag false statements about covid as false statements. We are seeing a big break from that ideology now. IF the government doesnt like speech conservatives dont like.. then suddenly speech isnt so important. Uh. Ok.

Sometimes a dog needs its nose rubbed in its shit to get the message.

 

[JLW]

I think some of these are tricky. Its one thing to fire someone who you think doesnt represent you well which I support. Its another thing to fire someone because the government is mad at you and regulates your business, this i do not support.

Conservatives were shitting themselves when the government was pressuring social media to flag false statements about covid as false statements. We are seeing a big break from that ideology now. IF the government doesnt like speech conservatives dont like.. then suddenly speech isnt so important. Uh. Ok.

No one ever said MAGAs were consistent.

At any rate, criticism of the dear leader will not be tolerated!

 

[Care4all]

Sometimes a dog needs its nose rubbed in its shit to get the message.

Intimidation?

So other entities are afraid of our govt. for free speech too?

No! That is not acceptable. Nor constitutional...it is the opposite of why the first amendment was created and passed by our founders imo.

 

[JLW]

Intimidation?

So other entities are afraid of our govt. for free speech too?

No! That is not acceptable. Nor constitutional...it is the opposite of why the first amendment was created and passed by our founders imo.

Since when did any MAGA give a damn about the Constitution?

 

[citygator]

Sometimes a dog needs its nose rubbed in its shit to get the message.

That would be the opposite of the first amendment it would seem. The door always swings back harder so be careful what you ask for.

 

[martybegan]

Intimidation?

So other entities are afraid of our govt. for free speech too?

No! That is not acceptable. Nor constitutional...it is the opposite of why the first amendment was created and passed by our founders imo.

Now inform the left of that as well. Right now no actions have been taken by government.

 

[martybegan]

That would be the opposite of the first amendment it would seem. The door always swings back harder so be careful what you ask for.

So far the left has dealt with 1 week of what we have dealt with for around 2 decades now. Sorry, not sorry.

 

[Care4all]

Since when did any MAGA give a damn about the Constitution?

I don't know that for certain, but I do know Trump does not give one iota for the Constitution and bill of rights....he breaks his oath of office, daily.

 

[Care4all]

So far the left has dealt with 1 week of what we have dealt with for around 2 decades now. Sorry, not sorry.

Bull shit! Lie! Crap! Made up fantasy.

 

[martybegan]

I don't know that for certain, but I do know Trump does not give one iota for the Constitution and bill of rights....he breaks his oath of office, daily.

By what? expelling illegal immigrants?

 

[Votto]

I think some of these are tricky. Its one thing to fire someone who you think doesnt represent you well which I support. Its another thing to fire someone because the government is mad at you and regulates your business, this i do not support.

Conservatives were shitting themselves when the government was pressuring social media to flag false statements about covid as false statements. We are seeing a big break from that ideology now. IF the government doesnt like speech conservatives dont like.. then suddenly speech isnt so important. Uh. Ok.

Kimmel was not funny, he was just a mean bitter man.

 

[martybegan]

Bull shit! Lie! Crap! Made up fantasy.

Reality.

At least the right is doing it over gloating over a murder, the left did it for wrong pronouns, donating to pro-life causes, and mean tweets.

 

[Moonglow]

Sometimes a dog needs its nose rubbed in its shit to get the message.

You are not my master and neither is Trump. You people can go back to Hell where you came from.

 

[citygator]

So far the left has dealt with 1 week of what we have dealt with for around 2 decades now. Sorry, not sorry.

I dont care about cancel culture. I only care about free speech. I dont care if you get fired for saying something vile or something righteous. I only care if the government is responsible for it or not.

 

[NetJedi]

ABC suspends Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show indefinitely over his remarks about Charlie Kirk’s death​

This action was done by Brandon Carr (Secretary of the FCC - appointed by Donald Trump).

What makes this action even worse is that Carr has been a strong proponent of Free Speech in the past, and here he goes and attacks Free Speech.

Here are Carr's comments in the past about Free Speech

In 2019 he said: "Should the government censor speech it doesn't like? Of course not. The FCC does not have a roving mandate to police speech in the name of the 'public interest'".

In 2023 he said: "Free speech is the counterweight—it is the check on government control. That is why censorship is the authoritarian’s dream".

In 2024 he said: “A lot of social media companies have embraced, or re-embraced, the idea of free speech online, I think Elon Musk and X had a great deal to do with that. I was pleased to see Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook join him, but clearly there’s more we can do.”

Now and after this suspension of Kimmel was done, this was Carr's comment" "Local broadcasters have an obligation to serve the public interest. While this may be an unprecedented decision, it is important for broadcasters to push back on Disney programming that they determine falls short of community values. I hope that other broadcasters follow Nexstar's lead."

This OP is not about Kimmel himself. I never was a fan of Kimmel as I am against all extremes and Kimmel was all about Trump every show. Too much (in my opinion). Nonetheless, first was Steven Colbert and now Jimmy Kimmel and who is next?

Here is the comment from the ACLU after this event:

This OP is about Free Speech, which is a right given to us by the Constitution and one we have strongly defended throughout the lifetime of our country. Now, that Free Speech is being attacked and is losing the battle.

I think this is wrong.

ABC is an FCC licensee and thus are governed by the regulations relevant for holding that license. In the end it was Disney, ABC and affiliate networks that made the decision to suspend Kimmel not the FCC. So no, this is not a free speech issue, the FCC would be well within its authority to pull ABC's license for what Kimmel said DURING THE BROADCAST, but it did not. Unlike sites on the Internet, licensed networks cannot just say whatever they want without fear of the FCC shutting them down.

.. .and Free Speech is not a "right given to us by the Constitution", it's an inalienable right granted as a product of our humanity or as expressed by our founders "by our creator", the Constitution just protects that right from interference by government. Apparently, You and Senator Kaine both suffer from the same misunderstanding as to the source and nature of human rights.

 

[citygator]

Kimmel was not funny, he was just a mean bitter man.

Like I said. As long as he isnt sidelined or fired because of the government is all that matters. Directly or indirectly. Trump has been talking about destroying progressive groups. That is an assault to free speech.

After Kirk Murder, Trump and Allies Vow to ‘Destroy’ Progressive Groups

Read more here.

www.democracydocket.com

 

[Luckyone]

No one ever said MAGAs were consistent.

At any rate, criticism of the dear leader will not be tolerated!

So, you support the abolition of Free Speech, right?