France may be leaving NATO

[toobfreak]

A resolution has been prepared in the French parliament proposing the country’s withdrawal from NATO amid disagreements with US policy.

I love it. Go for it. Then watch what they have to spend if and when their country is threatened.

And with them dropping out, the entire NATO allegiance might crumble.

Best of all, just wait for them to come begging to the USA again should it happen, this time, we will be expecting more than a thank you or another torched statue.

I guess this is another Frexit then?

 

[Zebra]

A resolution has been prepared in the French parliament proposing the country’s withdrawal from NATO amid disagreements with US policy. The document was initiated by the vice president of the National Assembly, Clemence Guette, a lawmaker from the left-wing party La France Insoumise (LFI).

One of the issues France has is the requirement for NATO member states to raise military spending to at least 5% of GDP. France currently is spending 2.06% of GDP. Not quite sure what they feel it would cost for France to leave NATO and provide for their own defense.

France’s Parliament Has Prepared a Resolution on Leaving NATO Over U.S. Policy

Don’t listen to that Guette

 

[Bitterhook]

Almost as though the US didn't guarantee an umbrella so European nations didn't feel obliged to nuke up. That'll teach them.

Most certainly, and President Reagan increasing military spending and sticking Persing missiles all over Europe while giving the USSR the big cowboy finger wasn't really effective at all, as far as breaking up the Soviet Union leading to Ukraine being an Independent Nation and leading to the current conflict Europeans are handling so much more effectively now.

However, Ukraine should have taken notes and kept their nukes seeing as they had the third largest nuclear arsenal on the face of the earth at the time but buckled to pressure and the desire for free money and promises of security instead.

We can only thank our lucky stars the folks in New Zealand are poised and ready to jump up and beat Russia to death with a stick if they don't straighten up. Good luck on your upcoming incredibly covert mission to save the world, because we're all counting on you and it should be a cakewalk. Good job, because that's the way to have some balls and get some things done instead of just running your mouth talking shit.

 

[Dragonlady]

NATO was and is mainly supported by the U.S. The NATO countries were not contributing their fair share, Trump reminded them.
Hey, Putin is weaker than ever now, he can’t make headway in Ukraine. Time for the other NATO partners to do something before Putin annexes them. Don’t hold your breath though.

No it was not and no it is not. Stop parroting the lies of the idiot in chief. You only make yourself appear to be stupid and gullible when you repeat Trump's lies.

Noteably: You repeat the lie that Trump made Europeans pay more. No he did not. That would be Obama who signed an Agreement with NATO members to increase military spending to 3% of GDP in 2014. Trump took credit for Obama's work. Notice the date.

Wales Summit Declaration

Wales Summit Declaration

www.nato.int

 

[Jarlaxle]

NATO should have been dissolved decades ago. The French got the US mired in one of the worst quagmires in the country's history.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No it was not and no it is not

All you do is lie.

Noteably: You repeat the lie that Trump made Europeans pay more. No he did not. That would be Obama who signed an Agreement with NATO members to increase military spending to 3% of GDP in 2014.

You cannot demonstrate they actually lived up to the agreement - and thus, the agreement you cite is meaningless.

 

[M14 Shooter]

NATO should have been dissolved decades ago.

Over the last 4 years, Putin has done more to prove this true than anyone else ever could.

 

[Hollie]

A resolution has been prepared in the French parliament proposing the country’s withdrawal from NATO amid disagreements with US policy. The document was initiated by the vice president of the National Assembly, Clemence Guette, a lawmaker from the left-wing party La France Insoumise (LFI).

One of the issues France has is the requirement for NATO member states to raise military spending to at least 5% of GDP. France currently is spending 2.06% of GDP. Not quite sure what they feel it would cost for France to leave NATO and provide for their own defense.

France’s Parliament Has Prepared a Resolution on Leaving NATO Over U.S. Policy

What does anyone expect from the surrender monkeys?

 

[Kruska]

Before 2020, NATO allies did not meet the 2% of GDP guideline. Putin's invasion in 2022 NATO and Canada significantly increased their spending on NATO. Thank God Trump started the ball rolling in 2020. Biden dropped that ball and NATO slacked off until the Russian invasion (2022). They finally realized they could no longer skate. The U.S. was basically paying for NATO up to that point. Once the NATO partners finally started contributing their fair share, the U.S. could contribute less.

Any data is already poisoned by so many conflicting accounting tied to political desires. Now, go put some ICE on your strained brain.

The one who needs to stress his brain, is YOU

Why don't you look at published figures regarding NATO DEFENSE BUDGETS ???

At the time European states spend 1-1,5% e.g. 1990 to 2014, the total spending was around US$ 200 Billion per year.
Whilst that off Russia was around US$ 25 Billion per year.

From 2014 (annexation of Crimea) till 2020 - Europe's & Canada's total spending was around US$ 300 Billion per year
Whilst that of Russia was around US$ 45 Billion per year.

Europe and Canada spend US$ 470 Billion in 2025 (2.4% of GDP) - and Russia spend US$ 140 Billion. (6.3%of its GDP)

The US has never paid for NATO - but simply takes its annual defense budget and spends it across it's armed services and to whatever country and bases they decide to station US troops and it's military assets.
In order to maintain it's global hegemony - the US maintained in 2025 around 800 military bases worldwide and in European NATO states around 38 bases - with 75,000 troops stationed 2025 in Europe.
Europe had 2.200.000 troops in 2025

When the US had stationed around 340,000 troops in Europe during the Cold War, e.g. in 1982 the Europeans had 3,500,000

Unlike South-Korea that totally relies on US military support in case of a war with North-Korea (Therefore they pay US$ 3.5 Billion per year to the USA) - Europe doesn't need a single US soldier on it's soil to defend itself against Russia. Its the USA that needs troops and military equipment in Europe to exert its hegemonic interests in Europe and the Middle-East.

The only thing that Europe needs or might need is the nuclear umbrella of the USA, in order to deter a possible Russian nuclear strike. So how much does the USA want for this??? And we wouldn't pay a single cent - since the pathological fraudster has multiple times proven that he can't be trusted.

Only a pathological fraudster and liar or a total clueless MAGA dolt, would forward that the US is or has been paying for the European NATO, or that Europe would be in need for US troops. You can tell your pathological fraudster that he can **** off, and take his US troops with him.

 

[cnm]

The U.S. contributes 15% of NATO's direct budget. Defense budgets as a whole, the US spends far more than any other member. Germany 15%, UK 10.3%. (down from 11%) In 1997 the U.S. cost share was about 28%.

I didn't really want baseless assertions of undefined categories. I wanted verified facts. Who spent what money on what.

Nothing can be gained from your post.

 

[Eman623]

How about France statys and we go?

Win-win.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

France has their own nuclear deterrent.

Strange, I know, but its true.

They have less nukes than China.

 

[cnm]

So the US spends more on its own defence? And wants to pretend that's for NATO and not its own hegemony? Well what a surprise from the nation that wanted complete strategic dominance over the whole world.

MSN

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There are two ways of looking at the US contribution to Nato in financial terms. Looking at Nato’s annual budget, which pays for things like its headquarters, the US contributes around 15%, the same proportion as Germany. But looking at defence budgets as a whole, the US spends far more than any other Nato member and accounts for the majority of total spending by Nato countries.​

 

[Dragonlady]

NATO should have been dissolved decades ago. The French got the US mired in one of the worst quagmires in the country's history.

The USA created NATO, and they established the ground rules. The same with the World Trade Organization. The post WWII world order was established by Americans and it strongly favoured American power and trade.

Given that there was peace in Europe for nearly 70 years, after NATO was formed, is proof positive that you're wrong on every score, but as an American conservative you must be used to being wrong all of the time.

 

[cnm]

We can only thank our lucky stars the folks in New Zealand are poised and ready to jump up and beat Russia to death with a stick if they don't straighten up.

Why should I give a **** about the American hegemonic preoccupation with Russia? I prefer a multipolar world if we can't have a rule based one.

And the US keeping to itself. It's too dangerous and unreliable to mix in civilised society.

 

[Failzero]

Will Turkey follow France ?

 

[Dragonlady]

All you do is lie.

You cannot demonstrate they actually lived up to the agreement - and thus, the agreement you cite is meaningless.

Yes, we really can prove that NATO members were living up to that Agreement.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever, that I'm lying about anything???? I strongly suggest you produce it because your accusations ring hollow.

 

[Leo123]

I didn't really want baseless assertions of undefined categories. I wanted verified facts. Who spent what money on what.

Nothing can be gained from your post.

Look it up, there is a lot of info available. What I posted was factual, prove me wrong or just STFU.

 

[Leo123]

Yes, we really can prove that NATO members were living up to that Agreement.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever, that I'm lying about anything???? I strongly suggest you produce it because your accusations ring hollow.

In 2014 the members agreed upon 2% of GDP on defense and 20% defense spending by 2024. For many years, NATO countries did not hit 2%. The U.S. and a couple of others did however, economies that were large like Germany, Italy, Spain and Canada fell short for a long time. Only after Russia's invasion of Ukraine did all the NATO members pee their panties and began spending more. Trump's pressure, combined with the now real threat of Russian aggression made them contribute more.

You are obviously ignorant of all the facts, if you live in Canada you should be ashamed.

 

[toobfreak]

The USA created NATO, and they established the ground rules.

To which most every other NATO member has been in default of, many not even paying HALF their fair share all these years, as documented time and again by Trump and with a few countries upping their contributions to full treaty value.

Worthless pugs, go ahead, I dare you, leave NATO but don't you dare ever come back crying for our help again. Go call Greenland, they'll bail you out.

BTW, once out of NATO, you are also free game for the USA-- maybe Trump will decide to invade and take you over anyway.