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Innocent until proven guilty.
been the law for centuries
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No. What I am saying is that victims of sexual assault can either report the crime or not. In terms of an outside observer judging it's severity, If you wait 35 minutes, you have credibility. If you wait 35 days, you have less credibility. If you wait 35 weeks, you have even less credibility. If you wait 35 months, you have still less. And I would argue that if you wait 35 years, you have zero credibility.Are you saying that victims of sexual assault have to either speak up within a certain time or forever hold their peace? You do realize sexual assault doesn't involve wedding vows?I would say to Mr. Wallace that the world is what it is. The powerful will always take advantage of the weak be it physically, mentally, financially, spiritually, etc...
Brett Kavanaugh may or may not have done what was alleged. I don't think anyone is dismissing the seriousness of the charges.
I think that people are dismissive of the time in his life when he allegedly did this and I think people (like myself) are dubious on why this wasn't brought up when he was getting several jobs on the way to where he is today.
There is a stigma associated with the nature of the alleged crime. Its not diminishing the stigma to ask why the allegations were not brought to light earlier when the gestation period was over three decades.
That is what the discussion board is all about.I've got several real problems with your entire argumentation.
Agreed.-First, it is VERY common for people to not report cases of sexual assault. It is by no means a small thing to commit to the mental anguish and confronting a person and an incident, that is so invasive as sexual assault.
Well, yes and no. Without getting into the actual act of what took place, it would have been helpful to have a finding of fact, investigation, police report, complaint filed.... That we do not; we do not know how serious this was.-Second, trying to imply, like I think you are, that age of the culprit has any bearing on the seriousness of that type of crime. We aren't talking about shoplifting.
Kav was a HS student when whatever happened took place. I doubt he had much power.-Third, that we simply have to accept that powerful men do this kind of thing. Being powerful brings a greater responsibility to act appropriately, not less.
-Fourth, that doubting this incident occurred is enough reason to elect someone to the supreme court. The standard for a Supreme Court justice should be higher than, I don't know for certain he committed sexual assault.
No. What I am saying is that victims of sexual assault can either report the crime or not. In terms of an outside observer judging it's severity, If you wait 35 minutes, you have credibility. If you wait 35 days, you have less credibility. If you wait 35 weeks, you have even less credibility. If you wait 35 months, you have still less. And I would argue that if you wait 35 years, you have zero credibility.Are you saying that victims of sexual assault have to either speak up within a certain time or forever hold their peace? You do realize sexual assault doesn't involve wedding vows?I would say to Mr. Wallace that the world is what it is. The powerful will always take advantage of the weak be it physically, mentally, financially, spiritually, etc...
Brett Kavanaugh may or may not have done what was alleged. I don't think anyone is dismissing the seriousness of the charges.
I think that people are dismissive of the time in his life when he allegedly did this and I think people (like myself) are dubious on why this wasn't brought up when he was getting several jobs on the way to where he is today.
There is a stigma associated with the nature of the alleged crime. Its not diminishing the stigma to ask why the allegations were not brought to light earlier when the gestation period was over three decades.
That is what the discussion board is all about.I've got several real problems with your entire argumentation.
Agreed.-First, it is VERY common for people to not report cases of sexual assault. It is by no means a small thing to commit to the mental anguish and confronting a person and an incident, that is so invasive as sexual assault.
Well, yes and no. Without getting into the actual act of what took place, it would have been helpful to have a finding of fact, investigation, police report, complaint filed.... That we do not; we do not know how serious this was.-Second, trying to imply, like I think you are, that age of the culprit has any bearing on the seriousness of that type of crime. We aren't talking about shoplifting.
Kav was a HS student when whatever happened took place. I doubt he had much power.-Third, that we simply have to accept that powerful men do this kind of thing. Being powerful brings a greater responsibility to act appropriately, not less.
-Fourth, that doubting this incident occurred is enough reason to elect someone to the supreme court. The standard for a Supreme Court justice should be higher than, I don't know for certain he committed sexual assault.
Let me say this about that. In his railing against the Democrats and not the Committee itself, he showed his partisan colors. Eventually, a politically charged issue will be before the court. Given his outburst (warranted though it may be), he is now on the record as a partisan. I don't see how someone who wants impartial jurists on the high court can vote "yea" since he is clearly not going to be impartial on a case where political lines are clearly drawn.
First thank you for giving an honest and as objective as you can, reply in this. They are hard to come by in this place and I've gotten into a habit of thanking people who are capable of it.No. What I am saying is that victims of sexual assault can either report the crime or not. In terms of an outside observer judging it's severity, If you wait 35 minutes, you have credibility. If you wait 35 days, you have less credibility. If you wait 35 weeks, you have even less credibility. If you wait 35 months, you have still less. And I would argue that if you wait 35 years, you have zero credibility.Are you saying that victims of sexual assault have to either speak up within a certain time or forever hold their peace? You do realize sexual assault doesn't involve wedding vows?I would say to Mr. Wallace that the world is what it is. The powerful will always take advantage of the weak be it physically, mentally, financially, spiritually, etc...
Brett Kavanaugh may or may not have done what was alleged. I don't think anyone is dismissing the seriousness of the charges.
I think that people are dismissive of the time in his life when he allegedly did this and I think people (like myself) are dubious on why this wasn't brought up when he was getting several jobs on the way to where he is today.
There is a stigma associated with the nature of the alleged crime. Its not diminishing the stigma to ask why the allegations were not brought to light earlier when the gestation period was over three decades.
That is what the discussion board is all about.I've got several real problems with your entire argumentation.
Agreed.-First, it is VERY common for people to not report cases of sexual assault. It is by no means a small thing to commit to the mental anguish and confronting a person and an incident, that is so invasive as sexual assault.
Well, yes and no. Without getting into the actual act of what took place, it would have been helpful to have a finding of fact, investigation, police report, complaint filed.... That we do not; we do not know how serious this was.-Second, trying to imply, like I think you are, that age of the culprit has any bearing on the seriousness of that type of crime. We aren't talking about shoplifting.
Kav was a HS student when whatever happened took place. I doubt he had much power.-Third, that we simply have to accept that powerful men do this kind of thing. Being powerful brings a greater responsibility to act appropriately, not less.
-Fourth, that doubting this incident occurred is enough reason to elect someone to the supreme court. The standard for a Supreme Court justice should be higher than, I don't know for certain he committed sexual assault.
Let me say this about that. In his railing against the Democrats and not the Committee itself, he showed his partisan colors. Eventually, a politically charged issue will be before the court. Given his outburst (warranted though it may be), he is now on the record as a partisan. I don't see how someone who wants impartial jurists on the high court can vote "yea" since he is clearly not going to be impartial on a case where political lines are clearly drawn.
Ford actually gave a very detailed account of what happened to her. The question is simply if you believe her or not.Well, yes and no. Without getting into the actual act of what took place, it would have been helpful to have a finding of fact, investigation, police report, complaint filed.... That we do not; we do not know how serious this was.
- I was actually giving this remark, which I perceived as out of the scope of the Kavanaugh hearing because your original line. "I would say to Mr. Wallace that the world is what it is. The powerful will always take advantage of the weak be it physically, mentally, financially, spiritually, etc..."Kav was a HS student when whatever happened took place. I doubt he had much power.
No problem.First thank you for giving an honest and as objective as you can, reply in this. They are hard to come by in this place and I've gotten into a habit of thanking people who are capable of it.
Which underscores my entire issue with the Doctor and her coming forward. Had the proverbial disinterested third party done any investigation at the time to corroborate her version of events; I’d be calling for his rejection by the Committee. That she didn’t…well that is both unfortunate and impeaches the severity of the events.Ford actually gave a very detailed account of what happened to her. The question is simply if you believe her or not.Well, yes and no. Without getting into the actual act of what took place, it would have been helpful to have a finding of fact, investigation, police report, complaint filed.... That we do not; we do not know how serious this was.
I was just pointing out that the Weinstein’s of the world are in a different category than the HS Student Kav was. He didn’t have the power to squash this woman’s dreams. Likewise for the Roman Catholic priests, Les Moonves, etc…- I was actually giving this remark, which I perceived as out of the scope of the Kavanaugh hearing because your original line. "I would say to Mr. Wallace that the world is what it is. The powerful will always take advantage of the weak be it physically, mentally, financially, spiritually, etc…"Kav was a HS student when whatever happened took place. I doubt he had much power.
- As to credibility changing with time, I disagree. If you concede that reporting sexual assault is hard, I would assert that coming out later should be looked at with forbearance. As someone who has seen and experienced firsthand the psychological toll this takes on a person coming out later in life seems pretty irrelevant to whether or not I should believe you. I'm not claiming any accusation automatically has merit. I'm saying that an accusation should be taken seriously.
--------------------------------------- i dismiss the seriousness of the charges or lies but somewhat agree with some points . This whole thing should be discounted simply because the accuser woman has never acted like a Responsible Adult with 36 year old accusations . Even now , from what i understand the woman could bring actual and Official charges against Kavanaugh but she doesn't . The woman should have been waved away as being 'fos' when 'feinstein' got the letter concerning 36 year old unprovable 'lefty girl and boy talk' Candy . -------------- just saying .I would say to Mr. Wallace that the world is what it is. The powerful will always take advantage of the weak be it physically, mentally, financially, spiritually, etc...
Brett Kavanaugh may or may not have done what was alleged. I don't think anyone is dismissing the seriousness of the charges.
I think that people are dismissive of the time in his life when he allegedly did this and I think people (like myself) are dubious on why this wasn't brought up when he was getting several jobs on the way to where he is today.
There is a stigma associated with the nature of the alleged crime. Its not diminishing the stigma to ask why the allegations were not brought to light earlier when the gestation period was over three decades.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ agree with your posted first paragraph from post number 22 Candy .No. What I am saying is that victims of sexual assault can either report the crime or not. In terms of an outside observer judging it's severity, If you wait 35 minutes, you have credibility. If you wait 35 days, you have less credibility. If you wait 35 weeks, you have even less credibility. If you wait 35 months, you have still less. And I would argue that if you wait 35 years, you have zero credibility.Are you saying that victims of sexual assault have to either speak up within a certain time or forever hold their peace? You do realize sexual assault doesn't involve wedding vows?I would say to Mr. Wallace that the world is what it is. The powerful will always take advantage of the weak be it physically, mentally, financially, spiritually, etc...
Brett Kavanaugh may or may not have done what was alleged. I don't think anyone is dismissing the seriousness of the charges.
I think that people are dismissive of the time in his life when he allegedly did this and I think people (like myself) are dubious on why this wasn't brought up when he was getting several jobs on the way to where he is today.
There is a stigma associated with the nature of the alleged crime. Its not diminishing the stigma to ask why the allegations were not brought to light earlier when the gestation period was over three decades.
That is what the discussion board is all about.I've got several real problems with your entire argumentation.
Agreed.-First, it is VERY common for people to not report cases of sexual assault. It is by no means a small thing to commit to the mental anguish and confronting a person and an incident, that is so invasive as sexual assault.
Well, yes and no. Without getting into the actual act of what took place, it would have been helpful to have a finding of fact, investigation, police report, complaint filed.... That we do not; we do not know how serious this was.-Second, trying to imply, like I think you are, that age of the culprit has any bearing on the seriousness of that type of crime. We aren't talking about shoplifting.
Kav was a HS student when whatever happened took place. I doubt he had much power.-Third, that we simply have to accept that powerful men do this kind of thing. Being powerful brings a greater responsibility to act appropriately, not less.
-Fourth, that doubting this incident occurred is enough reason to elect someone to the supreme court. The standard for a Supreme Court justice should be higher than, I don't know for certain he committed sexual assault.
Let me say this about that. In his railing against the Democrats and not the Committee itself, he showed his partisan colors. Eventually, a politically charged issue will be before the court. Given his outburst (warranted though it may be), he is now on the record as a partisan. I don't see how someone who wants impartial jurists on the high court can vote "yea" since he is clearly not going to be impartial on a case where political lines are clearly drawn.
Do you mean this filthy reporter, turncoat bastard, let the soldiers die Mike Wallace?.
As a FOX Noise talking head, Chris Wallace was an embarrassment to his father, Mike Wallace. Mike Wallace came from an era of actual journalism, where as his son, is nothing more than propaganda voice for the extreme right wing.
But, Chris Wallace is also a father, a father of girls, who he just discovered are among the many who are survivors sexual assaults by young men. We all know the type, most are the “boys" from families of moderate to immense wealth, who believe they are entitled to sexually assault young, unwilling girls, as a rite of passage.
Naturally, they boast to their friends of their success the previous night, and claim the girl felt the Earth move. Which is certainly the case with Brett Kavanaugh. And like every other “young stud” who claimed great sexual prowess, Kavanaugh expected his victims to remain silent for life. After all, in those days, rape was only a crime if the victim could convince the jury she was NOT a tramp.
In today’s world, the victim still must convince conservatives on the jury she is NOT a tramp. This can be quite difficult, as we’ve seen. In fact, since the idiot trump entered the White House, conservatives' preference for political candidates who are also sexual predators has increased greatly. (Before the conservatives get their panties in a twist, remember, you people voted overwhelmingly for the idiot trump, an admitted sexual predator, and Roy Moore, who, while not a pedophile, is an ephebophile, which is also sexually predatory and repugnant to people of reason.)
That aside, as a talking head for FOX Noise, it is Chris Wallace’s job is to defend Republican sex criminals, defend Republican politicians caught receiving bribes, and defend every other mode of corruption by Republicans in office or running for office.
For Wallace to publicly take his daughters’ claims seriously, and then warn viewers watching his coverage on FOX Noise on Thursday “that they should be careful not to discount the allegations of Christine Blasey Ford against Brett Kavanaugh, invoking the experience of his own daughters in high school” was a dangerous action for him to take.
Wallace went on to say, “ ‘My family, a lot of it on email, has been discussing this and disagreeing and arguing about it. Two of my daughters have told me stories that I had never heard before about things that happened to them in high school and hadn’t told their parents.’ “
“ ‘There are teenage girls who don’t tell stories to a lot of people and then it comes up,’ he continued. ‘I don’t think we can disregard Ford and the seriousness of this.’ ”
Of course, Wallace’s words fell on the deaf ears of the FOX Noise audience, who are certain Kavanaugh never had a sexual thought until his wedding night. And the Old White Men of the GOP, they admire Kavanaugh for his sexual aggressiveness towards young girls, because raping young girls IS a rite of passage for those corrupt perverts. As Mitch McConnell is proving by ignoring the growing allegations against Kavanaugh, and the idiot trump.
It’s just more of the hypocrisy of the Republican congressional majority, and is what so many conservatives admire most about their Grand Old Party.
The conservatives’ admiration will be evident in their responses to this OP. Rational people need not reply to the foolishness of the righties. (And, yes, Democrats have also faced accusations, all but a few reacted honorably, and stepped down as a result. Unfortunately, there is NO honor in the Republican Party.)
Fox News’ Chris Wallace's daughters convinced him to reevaluate Kavanaugh
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In today’s world, the victim still must convince conservatives on the jury she is NOT a tramp
Kiss my ass Kavanaugh had victims. He's only got accusers who can present no fucking evidence.
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As a FOX Noise talking head, Chris Wallace was an embarrassment to his father, Mike Wallace. Mike Wallace came from an era of actual journalism, where as his son, is nothing more than propaganda voice for the extreme right wing.
But, Chris Wallace is also a father, a father of girls, who he just discovered are among the many who are survivors sexual assaults by young men. We all know the type, most are the “boys" from families of moderate to immense wealth, who believe they are entitled to sexually assault young, unwilling girls, as a rite of passage.
Naturally, they boast to their friends of their success the previous night, and claim the girl felt the Earth move. Which is certainly the case with Brett Kavanaugh. And like every other “young stud” who claimed great sexual prowess, Kavanaugh expected his victims to remain silent for life. After all, in those days, rape was only a crime if the victim could convince the jury she was NOT a tramp.
In today’s world, the victim still must convince conservatives on the jury she is NOT a tramp. This can be quite difficult, as we’ve seen. In fact, since the idiot trump entered the White House, conservatives' preference for political candidates who are also sexual predators has increased greatly. (Before the conservatives get their panties in a twist, remember, you people voted overwhelmingly for the idiot trump, an admitted sexual predator, and Roy Moore, who, while not a pedophile, is an ephebophile, which is also sexually predatory and repugnant to people of reason.)
That aside, as a talking head for FOX Noise, it is Chris Wallace’s job is to defend Republican sex criminals, defend Republican politicians caught receiving bribes, and defend every other mode of corruption by Republicans in office or running for office.
For Wallace to publicly take his daughters’ claims seriously, and then warn viewers watching his coverage on FOX Noise on Thursday “that they should be careful not to discount the allegations of Christine Blasey Ford against Brett Kavanaugh, invoking the experience of his own daughters in high school” was a dangerous action for him to take.
Wallace went on to say, “ ‘My family, a lot of it on email, has been discussing this and disagreeing and arguing about it. Two of my daughters have told me stories that I had never heard before about things that happened to them in high school and hadn’t told their parents.’ “
“ ‘There are teenage girls who don’t tell stories to a lot of people and then it comes up,’ he continued. ‘I don’t think we can disregard Ford and the seriousness of this.’ ”
Of course, Wallace’s words fell on the deaf ears of the FOX Noise audience, who are certain Kavanaugh never had a sexual thought until his wedding night. And the Old White Men of the GOP, they admire Kavanaugh for his sexual aggressiveness towards young girls, because raping young girls IS a rite of passage for those corrupt perverts. As Mitch McConnell is proving by ignoring the growing allegations against Kavanaugh, and the idiot trump.
It’s just more of the hypocrisy of the Republican congressional majority, and is what so many conservatives admire most about their Grand Old Party.
The conservatives’ admiration will be evident in their responses to this OP. Rational people need not reply to the foolishness of the righties. (And, yes, Democrats have also faced accusations, all but a few reacted honorably, and stepped down as a result. Unfortunately, there is NO honor in the Republican Party.)
Fox News’ Chris Wallace's daughters convinced him to reevaluate Kavanaugh
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Fuck you"Of course, Wallace’s words fell on the deaf ears of the FOX Noise audience..."
Of course.
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As a FOX Noise talking head, Chris Wallace was an embarrassment to his father, Mike Wallace. Mike Wallace came from an era of actual journalism, where as his son, is nothing more than propaganda voice for the extreme right wing.
But, Chris Wallace is also a father, a father of girls, who he just discovered are among the many who are survivors sexual assaults by young men. We all know the type, most are the “boys" from families of moderate to immense wealth, who believe they are entitled to sexually assault young, unwilling girls, as a rite of passage.
Naturally, they boast to their friends of their success the previous night, and claim the girl felt the Earth move. Which is certainly the case with Brett Kavanaugh. And like every other “young stud” who claimed great sexual prowess, Kavanaugh expected his victims to remain silent for life. After all, in those days, rape was only a crime if the victim could convince the jury she was NOT a tramp.
In today’s world, the victim still must convince conservatives on the jury she is NOT a tramp. This can be quite difficult, as we’ve seen. In fact, since the idiot trump entered the White House, conservatives' preference for political candidates who are also sexual predators has increased greatly. (Before the conservatives get their panties in a twist, remember, you people voted overwhelmingly for the idiot trump, an admitted sexual predator, and Roy Moore, who, while not a pedophile, is an ephebophile, which is also sexually predatory and repugnant to people of reason.)
That aside, as a talking head for FOX Noise, it is Chris Wallace’s job is to defend Republican sex criminals, defend Republican politicians caught receiving bribes, and defend every other mode of corruption by Republicans in office or running for office.
For Wallace to publicly take his daughters’ claims seriously, and then warn viewers watching his coverage on FOX Noise on Thursday “that they should be careful not to discount the allegations of Christine Blasey Ford against Brett Kavanaugh, invoking the experience of his own daughters in high school” was a dangerous action for him to take.
Wallace went on to say, “ ‘My family, a lot of it on email, has been discussing this and disagreeing and arguing about it. Two of my daughters have told me stories that I had never heard before about things that happened to them in high school and hadn’t told their parents.’ “
“ ‘There are teenage girls who don’t tell stories to a lot of people and then it comes up,’ he continued. ‘I don’t think we can disregard Ford and the seriousness of this.’ ”
Of course, Wallace’s words fell on the deaf ears of the FOX Noise audience, who are certain Kavanaugh never had a sexual thought until his wedding night. And the Old White Men of the GOP, they admire Kavanaugh for his sexual aggressiveness towards young girls, because raping young girls IS a rite of passage for those corrupt perverts. As Mitch McConnell is proving by ignoring the growing allegations against Kavanaugh, and the idiot trump.
It’s just more of the hypocrisy of the Republican congressional majority, and is what so many conservatives admire most about their Grand Old Party.
The conservatives’ admiration will be evident in their responses to this OP. Rational people need not reply to the foolishness of the righties. (And, yes, Democrats have also faced accusations, all but a few reacted honorably, and stepped down as a result. Unfortunately, there is NO honor in the Republican Party.)
Fox News’ Chris Wallace's daughters convinced him to reevaluate Kavanaugh
View attachment 218971
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