Foxconn. OK, we lied.

[jc456]

This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.

Trump was very proud of Foxconn. He bragged that it was a return of manufacturing to the US.

why wouldn't he be proud? that's an odd statement. He was all about jobs. I know I know, you haven't any idea in the world the objective or the outlook. you're stuck receiving government checks from me.

 

[surada]

This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.

Trump was very proud of Foxconn. He bragged that it was a return of manufacturing to the US.

why wouldn't he be proud? that's an odd statement. He was all about jobs. I know I know, you haven't any idea in the world the objective or the outlook. you're stuck receiving government checks from me.

What government Checks from you?

Trump attributed the success of Foxconn to his negotiating skills.

 

[jc456]

This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.

Trump was very proud of Foxconn. He bragged that it was a return of manufacturing to the US.

why wouldn't he be proud? that's an odd statement. He was all about jobs. I know I know, you haven't any idea in the world the objective or the outlook. you're stuck receiving government checks from me.

What government Checks from you?

Trump attributed the success of Foxconn to his negotiating skills.

welfare checks. My tax money.

 

[Aldo Raine]

That may be the only way to stop things like this but it didn't fail.

It did not produce 13,000 jobs

and it added nothing to the manufacturing supply chain

foreign countries are much better at government intervention into the marketplace than we are

I want to see more products we consume in America made in America

And failing that I want to break the supply chain from china

that will probably involve more government intervention but if so it has to be smarter than what we have now

Not just China, we need more manufacturing of all types brought back to our own country. That means Europe and central/south America.

 

[pknopp]

This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.

You sound pleased that the project failed

he doesn't care about people working.

People can't work unless the government/taxpayers subsidize it?

 

[Dana7360]

This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.

Trump was very proud of Foxconn. He bragged that it was a return of manufacturing to the US.

The funny thing is that Foxconn is a Taiwanese company.

Run by a bunch of globalists.

Isn't that exactly what the trump people say they hate?

 

[struth]

This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.

Trump was very proud of Foxconn. He bragged that it was a return of manufacturing to the US.

The funny thing is that Foxconn is a Taiwanese company.

Run by a bunch of globalists.

Isn't that exactly what the trump people say they hate?

If a foreign country wants to do business by making products in the USA I am all for it.

 

[surada]

This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.

Trump was very proud of Foxconn. He bragged that it was a return of manufacturing to the US.

why wouldn't he be proud? that's an odd statement. He was all about jobs. I know I know, you haven't any idea in the world the objective or the outlook. you're stuck receiving government checks from me.

What government Checks from you?

Trump attributed the success of Foxconn to his negotiating skills.

welfare checks. My tax money.

I'm not on welfare , you moron. In fact, I have probably made more money than you could even dream about.

 

[jknowgood]

How are you making a comparison of a company that isn't producing something to Amazon? Either way I hope you keep your thinking when it comes to the massive subsidies coming for green energy jobs.

They lied about what they would do and Amazon lied about what they would do. All the same, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for any of it. Amazon can't afford to build it's own headquarters?

Governor Cambell gave BMW a tax break to come here, one of the best things he did. Created thousands of good paying jobs.

 

[Dragonlady]

This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.

It was about tax breaks. Not receiving tax payer funds.

Who do you think makes up for the missing revenue? The tooth fairy?

thats on the government to cut spending not bill someone else,,

So when the business wants an exit ramp to their business the state should say "build it yourself"?

When the roads need upkeep the state should exclude the companies trucks from using those roads because they were exempt from paying the taxes used to pay for that upkeep?

those are for the workers that pay taxs,, but youre right the government shouldnt be helping the people get to their jobs so they can pay taxs,,

in this case the end result is no jobs and no taxs,, good job government,,

The business was built. They just didn't live up to their promises.

in business there are no promises,, just whats in the contract,,

if they breached that the state should sue them,,

They should never do these kinds of contracts.

who are you to tell a state how to do business???

sounds fascist to me,,,

Faux'servatives: Who are you to tell the state how to do business??


Also faux'servatives: Who is the state to tell me how to do business!!!!

sorry buckwheat but I aint no conservative,, and the state doesnt tell me how to do business unless I decide to sign a contract with them,,

False.....the state does tell you how to do business....

not in 30 yrs they havent,,

Sure they have. You're an idiot if you think otherwise. Here's an article from Forbes dated 2017:

How Many Rules And Regulations Do Federal Agencies Issue?

There are more documented and undocumented federal rules and regulations than most people realize. Fixing it all will take hard-to-come-by bipartisanship.

www.forbes.com

And here's the government website which shows applicable business laws:

Stay legally compliant | U.S. Small Business Administration

www.sba.gov

ttps://www.usa.gov/laws-and-regulations

youre confusing free market with government controlled capitalism,,,

other than 2 yrs where I did an LLC they have never told me how to run my business,,

Good for you. Just how successful is that business, given that you're all day long taking the piss out of progessives? 28,000 posts in just over 2 years. I have 29,000 posts since 2012, and I've been retired since February of 2016. I'm always intrigued by all you small business owners in their peak earning years spending all of this time posting on a message board for free.

You don't have a "free market" and never have, and haven't had one since the glory days of the Robber Barons before the Industrial Revolution. It ended when hundreds of workers started getting ripped up in the machinery, or died in fires. Working conditions and wages gave rise to the union movement, and government health and safety regulations. Laisse faire capitalism ended with the Great Depression.

Minimum wages, overtime, health and safety laws, public accomodations laws, right down to how many toilets you need, business is highly regulated in the USA.

 

[pknopp]

How are you making a comparison of a company that isn't producing something to Amazon? Either way I hope you keep your thinking when it comes to the massive subsidies coming for green energy jobs.

They lied about what they would do and Amazon lied about what they would do. All the same, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for any of it. Amazon can't afford to build it's own headquarters?

Governor Cambell gave BMW a tax break to come here, one of the best things he did. Created thousands of good paying jobs.

Which would have been created anyway.

 

[Mac-7]

That may be the only way to stop things like this but it didn't fail.

It did not produce 13,000 jobs

and it added nothing to the manufacturing supply chain

foreign countries are much better at government intervention into the marketplace than we are

I want to see more products we consume in America made in America

And failing that I want to break the supply chain from china

that will probably involve more government intervention but if so it has to be smarter than what we have now

Not just China, we need more manufacturing of all types brought back to our own country. That means Europe and central/south America.

Realistically most US consumers dont know or care where their products come from as long as they are cheap

so US government leaders who care about this problem have to walk a tightrope without upsetting the locals too much

that means rather than the ideal which is total disengagement from china and US manufacturing of our consumer goods again we may have to settle for reduced imports from china but imports from more friendly nations and only a partial return of US manufacturing

 

[jknowgood]

How are you making a comparison of a company that isn't producing something to Amazon? Either way I hope you keep your thinking when it comes to the massive subsidies coming for green energy jobs.

They lied about what they would do and Amazon lied about what they would do. All the same, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for any of it. Amazon can't afford to build it's own headquarters?

Governor Cambell gave BMW a tax break to come here, one of the best things he did. Created thousands of good paying jobs.

Which would have been created anyway.

How? Bmw makes cars and the amount of suppliers wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them. Plus restaurants and other venues and the amount of payroll taxes south Carolina wouldn't get if they didn't give BMW a tax cut. So yes a big win for South Carolina.

 

[pknopp]

How are you making a comparison of a company that isn't producing something to Amazon? Either way I hope you keep your thinking when it comes to the massive subsidies coming for green energy jobs.

They lied about what they would do and Amazon lied about what they would do. All the same, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for any of it. Amazon can't afford to build it's own headquarters?

Governor Cambell gave BMW a tax break to come here, one of the best things he did. Created thousands of good paying jobs.

Which would have been created anyway.

How? Bmw makes cars and the amount of suppliers wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them. Plus restaurants and other venues and the amount of payroll taxes south Carolina wouldn't get if they didn't give BMW a tax cut. So yes a big win for South Carolina.

There was a market. BMW was going to meet that market whether you funded them or not. Look, if you support corporate socialism fine. I do not.

 

[Orangecat]

Rant away.

Lol. Grow some balls, you passive/aggressive shitstain.

 

[progressive hunter]

This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.

It was about tax breaks. Not receiving tax payer funds.

Who do you think makes up for the missing revenue? The tooth fairy?

thats on the government to cut spending not bill someone else,,

So when the business wants an exit ramp to their business the state should say "build it yourself"?

When the roads need upkeep the state should exclude the companies trucks from using those roads because they were exempt from paying the taxes used to pay for that upkeep?

those are for the workers that pay taxs,, but youre right the government shouldnt be helping the people get to their jobs so they can pay taxs,,

in this case the end result is no jobs and no taxs,, good job government,,

The business was built. They just didn't live up to their promises.

in business there are no promises,, just whats in the contract,,

if they breached that the state should sue them,,

They should never do these kinds of contracts.

who are you to tell a state how to do business???

sounds fascist to me,,,

Faux'servatives: Who are you to tell the state how to do business??


Also faux'servatives: Who is the state to tell me how to do business!!!!

sorry buckwheat but I aint no conservative,, and the state doesnt tell me how to do business unless I decide to sign a contract with them,,

False.....the state does tell you how to do business....

not in 30 yrs they havent,,

Sure they have. You're an idiot if you think otherwise. Here's an article from Forbes dated 2017:

How Many Rules And Regulations Do Federal Agencies Issue?

There are more documented and undocumented federal rules and regulations than most people realize. Fixing it all will take hard-to-come-by bipartisanship.

www.forbes.com

And here's the government website which shows applicable business laws:

Stay legally compliant | U.S. Small Business Administration

www.sba.gov

ttps://www.usa.gov/laws-and-regulations

youre confusing free market with government controlled capitalism,,,

other than 2 yrs where I did an LLC they have never told me how to run my business,,

Good for you. Just how successful is that business, given that you're all day long taking the piss out of progessives? 28,000 posts in just over 2 years. I have 29,000 posts since 2012, and I've been retired since February of 2016. I'm always intrigued by all you small business owners in their peak earning years spending all of this time posting on a message board for free.

You don't have a "free market" and never have, and haven't had one since the glory days of the Robber Barons before the Industrial Revolution. It ended when hundreds of workers started getting ripped up in the machinery, or died in fires. Working conditions and wages gave rise to the union movement, and government health and safety regulations. Laisse faire capitalism ended with the Great Depression.

Minimum wages, overtime, health and safety laws, public accomodations laws, right down to how many toilets you need, business is highly regulated in the USA.

its successful enough I am retiring at 55,,,

 

[Dirk the Daring]

This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.

It was about tax breaks. Not receiving tax payer funds.

So you are saying that a company receiving tax subsidies from state and federal governments isn't the same as them receiving tax payer money??

Then how come all of the whining about state and federal government subsidizing stuff like Medicaid?? I have heard that referred to many times as people getting taxpayer money for free healthcare

You are comparing tax breaks to medicaid subsidizing?

How many times a year does it have to be 'splained that tax breaks and incentives aren't in-kind cash subsidies?

We're losing the language.

At least once more apparently... My vote goes to 'until it's finally understood.'

 

[jknowgood]

How are you making a comparison of a company that isn't producing something to Amazon? Either way I hope you keep your thinking when it comes to the massive subsidies coming for green energy jobs.

They lied about what they would do and Amazon lied about what they would do. All the same, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for any of it. Amazon can't afford to build it's own headquarters?

Governor Cambell gave BMW a tax break to come here, one of the best things he did. Created thousands of good paying jobs.

Which would have been created anyway.

How? Bmw makes cars and the amount of suppliers wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them. Plus restaurants and other venues and the amount of payroll taxes south Carolina wouldn't get if they didn't give BMW a tax cut. So yes a big win for South Carolina.

There was a market. BMW was going to meet that market whether you funded them or not. Look, if you support corporate socialism fine. I do not.

The fact is they or their jobs wouldn't be here without them.

 

[Dana7360]

This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.

Trump was very proud of Foxconn. He bragged that it was a return of manufacturing to the US.

The funny thing is that Foxconn is a Taiwanese company.

Run by a bunch of globalists.

Isn't that exactly what the trump people say they hate?

If a foreign country wants to do business by making products in the USA I am all for it.

Oh ok so your beliefs really aren't beliefs.

I get it. I've watched that behavior for a very long time.

 

[pknopp]

How are you making a comparison of a company that isn't producing something to Amazon? Either way I hope you keep your thinking when it comes to the massive subsidies coming for green energy jobs.

They lied about what they would do and Amazon lied about what they would do. All the same, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for any of it. Amazon can't afford to build it's own headquarters?

Governor Cambell gave BMW a tax break to come here, one of the best things he did. Created thousands of good paying jobs.

Which would have been created anyway.

How? Bmw makes cars and the amount of suppliers wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them. Plus restaurants and other venues and the amount of payroll taxes south Carolina wouldn't get if they didn't give BMW a tax cut. So yes a big win for South Carolina.

There was a market. BMW was going to meet that market whether you funded them or not. Look, if you support corporate socialism fine. I do not.

The fact is they or their jobs wouldn't be here without them.

Maybe not there but somewhere in the states. If we stopped the bribing and blackmailing they might just as well be there.