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This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.
It was about tax breaks. Not receiving tax payer funds.
So you are saying that a company receiving tax subsidies from state and federal governments isn't the same as them receiving tax payer money??

Then how come all of the whining about state and federal government subsidizing stuff like Medicaid?? I have heard that referred to many times as people getting taxpayer money for free healthcare
You are comparing tax breaks to medicaid subsidizing? :lol:
These businesses are also being subsidized...you do understand that right??
Keeping more of your money isnt being subsidized, you ridiculous dumbfuck.


It is when you're a multibillion-dollar international conglomerate that brings in hundreds of billions of dollars every year in Pays almost no taxes on any of it to begin with.

and it wasn't just tax breaks they were getting billions of dollars in subsidies handed to them every year by the State.

a subsidy if in the same as a tax break a tax break is reduction in the amount you pay in your taxes. A subsidy is additional money paid out of other people's tax money going to your company.

Wisconsin gave billions of dollars in tax money to Amazon in exchange for them moving their headquarters to the state. This date also allowed them to use tax money to build their headquarters to begin with, and allows them to operate their buildings completely without property tax.
this deal was made because Amazon promise to bring hundreds of thousands of jobs to the state which they now admit was a complete lie and they were never going to bring those jobs to the state.
a subsidy if in the same as a tax break a tax break is reduction in the amount you pay in your taxes. A subsidy is additional money paid out of other people's tax money going to your company.

Wrong....Subsidies, properly defined, are in-kind cash payments straight out of the treasury....Keeping what you've earned being described as a "subsidy" presumes that 100% of a company's earnings belong to The State first.

If a company isn't paying taxes for the infrastructure they use to be in business, someone else has to. Nobody else should be on the hook for business costs.
Most "infrastructure" is paid for with local lawful taxes (i.e the fuel tax) and user fees.....Of which industries like trucking pay far more than the average Joe, and arguably more than their "fair share".

But none of that addresses the underlying point...Saying that a tax break or incentive is a "subsidy" presumes that `100% of business earnings belong to The State first.

If you are expecting others to pay for the things you use as a business you are being subsidized by the taxpayers. You Socialists are are the problem.
Businesses pay scads of taxes, as I just pointed out.....Maybe an ESL course is right for you.

Yet many huge profitable corporations pay little in taxes thanks to a tax code set up to benefit them via numerous loopholes. Loopholes their lobbyists got implemented buying off Congress and their army of tax attorneys cleverly implement.

Just to note..........loopholes are things that were unintentional and generally not seen beforehand. What we have here are intentional laws to allow some to evade their costs of business and put it off on taxpayers.

Politicians may claim they are loopholes to avoid blame and many allow it.
 

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This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.
It was about tax breaks. Not receiving tax payer funds.
So you are saying that a company receiving tax subsidies from state and federal governments isn't the same as them receiving tax payer money??

Then how come all of the whining about state and federal government subsidizing stuff like Medicaid?? I have heard that referred to many times as people getting taxpayer money for free healthcare
You are comparing tax breaks to medicaid subsidizing? :lol:
These businesses are also being subsidized...you do understand that right??
Keeping more of your money isnt being subsidized, you ridiculous dumbfuck.


It is when you're a multibillion-dollar international conglomerate that brings in hundreds of billions of dollars every year in Pays almost no taxes on any of it to begin with.

and it wasn't just tax breaks they were getting billions of dollars in subsidies handed to them every year by the State.

a subsidy if in the same as a tax break a tax break is reduction in the amount you pay in your taxes. A subsidy is additional money paid out of other people's tax money going to your company.

Wisconsin gave billions of dollars in tax money to Amazon in exchange for them moving their headquarters to the state. This date also allowed them to use tax money to build their headquarters to begin with, and allows them to operate their buildings completely without property tax.
this deal was made because Amazon promise to bring hundreds of thousands of jobs to the state which they now admit was a complete lie and they were never going to bring those jobs to the state.
a subsidy if in the same as a tax break a tax break is reduction in the amount you pay in your taxes. A subsidy is additional money paid out of other people's tax money going to your company.

Wrong....Subsidies, properly defined, are in-kind cash payments straight out of the treasury....Keeping what you've earned being described as a "subsidy" presumes that 100% of a company's earnings belong to The State first.

If a company isn't paying taxes for the infrastructure they use to be in business, someone else has to. Nobody else should be on the hook for business costs.
Most "infrastructure" is paid for with local lawful taxes (i.e the fuel tax) and user fees.....Of which industries like trucking pay far more than the average Joe, and arguably more than their "fair share".

But none of that addresses the underlying point...Saying that a tax break or incentive is a "subsidy" presumes that `100% of business earnings belong to The State first.

If you are expecting others to pay for the things you use as a business you are being subsidized by the taxpayers. You Socialists are are the problem.
Businesses pay scads of taxes, as I just pointed out.....Maybe an ESL course is right for you.

Yet many huge profitable corporations pay little in taxes thanks to a tax code set up to benefit them via numerous loopholes. Loopholes their lobbyists got implemented buying off Congress and their army of tax attorneys cleverly implement.

Just to note..........loopholes are things that were unintentional and generally not seen beforehand. What we have here are intentional laws to allow some to evade their costs of business and put it off on taxpayers.

Politicians may claim they are loopholes to avoid blame and many allow it.
loopholes are a BULLSHIT excuse for people obeying the law and you dont like it cause you cant use it...
 

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This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.
It was about tax breaks. Not receiving tax payer funds.
So you are saying that a company receiving tax subsidies from state and federal governments isn't the same as them receiving tax payer money??

Then how come all of the whining about state and federal government subsidizing stuff like Medicaid?? I have heard that referred to many times as people getting taxpayer money for free healthcare
You are comparing tax breaks to medicaid subsidizing? :lol:
These businesses are also being subsidized...you do understand that right??
Keeping more of your money isnt being subsidized, you ridiculous dumbfuck.


It is when you're a multibillion-dollar international conglomerate that brings in hundreds of billions of dollars every year in Pays almost no taxes on any of it to begin with.

and it wasn't just tax breaks they were getting billions of dollars in subsidies handed to them every year by the State.

a subsidy if in the same as a tax break a tax break is reduction in the amount you pay in your taxes. A subsidy is additional money paid out of other people's tax money going to your company.

Wisconsin gave billions of dollars in tax money to Amazon in exchange for them moving their headquarters to the state. This date also allowed them to use tax money to build their headquarters to begin with, and allows them to operate their buildings completely without property tax.
this deal was made because Amazon promise to bring hundreds of thousands of jobs to the state which they now admit was a complete lie and they were never going to bring those jobs to the state.
a subsidy if in the same as a tax break a tax break is reduction in the amount you pay in your taxes. A subsidy is additional money paid out of other people's tax money going to your company.

Wrong....Subsidies, properly defined, are in-kind cash payments straight out of the treasury....Keeping what you've earned being described as a "subsidy" presumes that 100% of a company's earnings belong to The State first.

If a company isn't paying taxes for the infrastructure they use to be in business, someone else has to. Nobody else should be on the hook for business costs.
Most "infrastructure" is paid for with local lawful taxes (i.e the fuel tax) and user fees.....Of which industries like trucking pay far more than the average Joe, and arguably more than their "fair share".

But none of that addresses the underlying point...Saying that a tax break or incentive is a "subsidy" presumes that `100% of business earnings belong to The State first.

If you are expecting others to pay for the things you use as a business you are being subsidized by the taxpayers. You Socialists are are the problem.
Businesses pay scads of taxes, as I just pointed out.....Maybe an ESL course is right for you.

Yet many huge profitable corporations pay little in taxes thanks to a tax code set up to benefit them via numerous loopholes. Loopholes their lobbyists got implemented buying off Congress and their army of tax attorneys cleverly implement.
And many businesses don't get the same treatment as the few...For example, 3M regularly goes through haggling with The State of Minnesota every few years, in order for them to keep their HQ in St. Paul.

Treating the exceptions as the rule is dishonest as hell.
 
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How are you making a comparison of a company that isn't producing something to Amazon? Either way I hope you keep your thinking when it comes to the massive subsidies coming for green energy jobs.

They lied about what they would do and Amazon lied about what they would do. All the same, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for any of it. Amazon can't afford to build it's own headquarters?
It's not nice to kill the umpires when they are the voters.
 

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This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.
I actually agree with you to an extent.

A true free market is one where a corporation can't get a tax break unavailable to other companies. When government favors one business over another, that's not fair competition.

The problem is that we don't really have a free market to begin with. Since local governments are always competing for who can draw a big business to their area, they promise ridiculous things to "win." Sometimes, it works out for the local area. Other times, it ends up like the story above. It's a risky gamble, and an expensive one for taxpayers oftentimes.
 

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This is a bigger argument than this one case. What we see here is a company making grand promises to get huge socialist programs to finance them from the taxpayers. They promise the world but realities are far different.

Foxconn Finally Admits It Won't Create 13,000 Jobs in Wisconsin

This is why I fully supported AOC coming out and telling Amazon NO on their demands on taxpayers funds. There was no way their promises were ever going to come to fruition. It's odd at how those who condemn government socialism so quickly support things like this.

If you have a business, the taxpayers should never be on the hook for your costs.
It was about tax breaks. Not receiving tax payer funds.
So you are saying that a company receiving tax subsidies from state and federal governments isn't the same as them receiving tax payer money??

Then how come all of the whining about state and federal government subsidizing stuff like Medicaid?? I have heard that referred to many times as people getting taxpayer money for free healthcare
You are comparing tax breaks to medicaid subsidizing? :lol:
These businesses are also being subsidized...you do understand that right??
Keeping more of your money isnt being subsidized, you ridiculous dumbfuck.


It is when you're a multibillion-dollar international conglomerate that brings in hundreds of billions of dollars every year in Pays almost no taxes on any of it to begin with.

and it wasn't just tax breaks they were getting billions of dollars in subsidies handed to them every year by the State.

a subsidy if in the same as a tax break a tax break is reduction in the amount you pay in your taxes. A subsidy is additional money paid out of other people's tax money going to your company.

Wisconsin gave billions of dollars in tax money to Amazon in exchange for them moving their headquarters to the state. This date also allowed them to use tax money to build their headquarters to begin with, and allows them to operate their buildings completely without property tax.
this deal was made because Amazon promise to bring hundreds of thousands of jobs to the state which they now admit was a complete lie and they were never going to bring those jobs to the state.
a subsidy if in the same as a tax break a tax break is reduction in the amount you pay in your taxes. A subsidy is additional money paid out of other people's tax money going to your company.

Wrong....Subsidies, properly defined, are in-kind cash payments straight out of the treasury....Keeping what you've earned being described as a "subsidy" presumes that 100% of a company's earnings belong to The State first.

If a company isn't paying taxes for the infrastructure they use to be in business, someone else has to. Nobody else should be on the hook for business costs.
Most "infrastructure" is paid for with local lawful taxes (i.e the fuel tax) and user fees.....Of which industries like trucking pay far more than the average Joe, and arguably more than their "fair share".

But none of that addresses the underlying point...Saying that a tax break or incentive is a "subsidy" presumes that `100% of business earnings belong to The State first.

If you are expecting others to pay for the things you use as a business you are being subsidized by the taxpayers. You Socialists are are the problem.

BIGCORP = the real welfare queens.
 

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And just to recap for the folks who have an Ayn Rand centerfold taped to their wall.....

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Free markets do not exist
 

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