Founding Fathers: We Are Not a Christian Nation

[WinterBorn]

These were from one of our founding fathers: He doesn't reference a state religion, nor should he, but I think it is quite clear what he is referring to.



“It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”- George Washington

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.”- George Washington

"We beseech [God] to pardon our national and other transgressions"…- George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789

"Every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience." George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

"We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition ... In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States."
-- George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

"Government being, among other purposes, instituted to protect the consciences of men from oppression, it certainly is the duty of Rulers, not only to abstain from it themselves, but according to their stations, to prevent it in others."
-- George Washington, letter to the Religious Society called the Quakers, September 28,1789

"Dr. Rush told me (he had it from Asa Green) that when the clergy addressed General Washington, on his departure from the government, it was observed in their consultation that he had never, on any occasion, said a word to the public which showed a belief in the Christian religion, and they thought they should so pen their address as to force him at length to disclose publicly whether he was a Christian or not. However, he observed, the old fox was too cunning for them. He answered every article of their address particularly, except that, which he passed over without notice."
-- Thomas Jefferson, quoted from Jefferson's Works, Vol. iv., p. 572.

Also, if you can find any record of George Washington taking Holy Communion, you should publish it. As no scholar has done so yet. And many have documented quotes from friends, family and clergy that say they never saw him do so.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The fact that the founding fathers were mostly christian shows the level of their dedication to creating a secular nation.

Bullshit.
The Constitution barred the FEDERAL government from establishing religion. But state governments were free to do so. And they did.
Religion is interwoven into our system because the people who founded it and governed it were religious people. They damnsure werent Muslims either.

Which states have an official religion?

Pennsylvania, Maryland and Georgia all had official religions.

So none have official religions? lol

So in a supposedly Christian nation, where 50 states have the right to establish Christianity as the official religion,

a grand total of zero do.

Hmmmm....

 

[WinterBorn]

I have a question for those who claim we are, in fact, a Christian nation (not just a nation of predominantly Christian people).

Would you say that the basic tenets of Christianity would be contained in the 10 Commandments?

 

[Avorysuds]

The constitution is not "Christian." But we are a "Christian" country by %... Just as we are a white country by %. Obama is a "Christian" who attended a well known outspoken racist church for 20+ years... So saying someone is Christian means absolutely nothing. So why is this a topic? Because the OP wants to avoid the dynasty that his singular candidate going into 2016 creates.

Don't think of it as a dynasty. Think of it as the majority sticking with the Democratic party because it's the right thing to do.

Ahh, so like when that majority elected Bush, or kicked out the corrupted Democrats on historic levels to put Republicans in charge of the Senate and House here in 2014. Ok. I'll do that. =)

You people are so simple minded and ignorant it's actually sad to know I'm wasting my time pointing the clear and obvious flaws in your "logic." You have no ability to make yourself better because you're too caught up in vomiting your hate.

 

[The Rabbi]

The fact that the founding fathers were mostly christian shows the level of their dedication to creating a secular nation.

Bullshit.
The Constitution barred the FEDERAL government from establishing religion. But state governments were free to do so. And they did.
Religion is interwoven into our system because the people who founded it and governed it were religious people. They damnsure werent Muslims either.

Which states have an official religion?

Pennsylvania, Maryland and Georgia all had official religions.

So none have official religions? lol

So in a supposedly Christian nation, where 50 states have the right to establish Christianity as the official religion,

a grand total of zero do.

Hmmmm....

You are truly an idiot. An imbecile of the first rank.
The Constitution contemplated state establishment of religions, but not federal. And until the Civil War that was the case. Once states became bound by the federal constitution as well official state religions went away.
I realize that is overtaxing your little brain but maybe someone else will understand it.

 

[The Rabbi]

I have a question for those who claim we are, in fact, a Christian nation (not just a nation of predominantly Christian people).

Would you say that the basic tenets of Christianity would be contained in the 10 Commandments?

That's a clown question, bro.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

These were from one of our founding fathers: He doesn't reference a state religion, nor should he, but I think it is quite clear what he is referring to.



“It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”- George Washington

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.”- George Washington

"We beseech [God] to pardon our national and other transgressions"…- George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789

"Every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience." George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

"We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition ... In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States."
-- George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

"Government being, among other purposes, instituted to protect the consciences of men from oppression, it certainly is the duty of Rulers, not only to abstain from it themselves, but according to their stations, to prevent it in others."
-- George Washington, letter to the Religious Society called the Quakers, September 28,1789

"Dr. Rush told me (he had it from Asa Green) that when the clergy addressed General Washington, on his departure from the government, it was observed in their consultation that he had never, on any occasion, said a word to the public which showed a belief in the Christian religion, and they thought they should so pen their address as to force him at length to disclose publicly whether he was a Christian or not. However, he observed, the old fox was too cunning for them. He answered every article of their address particularly, except that, which he passed over without notice."
-- Thomas Jefferson, quoted from Jefferson's Works, Vol. iv., p. 572.

Also, if you can find any record of George Washington taking Holy Communion, you should publish it. As no scholar has done so yet. And many have documented quotes from friends, family and clergy that say they never saw him do so.

The founders knew of the balance regarding religion and govt. Just as they foresaw the implications of an oppressive govt, britain, they also could see the ramifications of a national religion ie puritans, burning witches etc. An oppressive govt is exactly the same as one religion demanding obedience.

 

[WinterBorn]

I have a question for those who claim we are, in fact, a Christian nation (not just a nation of predominantly Christian people).

Would you say that the basic tenets of Christianity would be contained in the 10 Commandments?

That's a clown question, bro.

Is it? I would submit that the 10 Commandments are the basic laws of the religion.

And when you consider the first 4 commandments demand that no other religion be tolerated, it makes things obvious that were are not, in fact, a Christian nation.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I have a question for those who claim we are, in fact, a Christian nation (not just a nation of predominantly Christian people).

Would you say that the basic tenets of Christianity would be contained in the 10 Commandments?

I know where you are trying to go with this, free masons and all the rest, I have read on the internet on this subject the past 20 years now I have been in the political chatrooms and now the forums , it is a long old debate, that always ends in a stalemate.

 

[WinterBorn]

I have a question for those who claim we are, in fact, a Christian nation (not just a nation of predominantly Christian people).

Would you say that the basic tenets of Christianity would be contained in the 10 Commandments?

I know where you are trying to go with this, free masons and all the rest, I have read on the internet on this subject the past 20 years now I have been in the political chatrooms and now the forums , it is a long old debate, that always ends in a stalemate.

If the rules of Christianity demand that there be no other gods, that there is only one god, that you not take his name in vain, and that the sabbath be kept holy, then this is certainly not a Christian nation, since we do none of those (by law).

 

[WinterBorn]

These were from one of our founding fathers: He doesn't reference a state religion, nor should he, but I think it is quite clear what he is referring to.



“It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”- George Washington

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.”- George Washington

"We beseech [God] to pardon our national and other transgressions"…- George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789

"Every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience." George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

"We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition ... In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States."
-- George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793

"Government being, among other purposes, instituted to protect the consciences of men from oppression, it certainly is the duty of Rulers, not only to abstain from it themselves, but according to their stations, to prevent it in others."
-- George Washington, letter to the Religious Society called the Quakers, September 28,1789

"Dr. Rush told me (he had it from Asa Green) that when the clergy addressed General Washington, on his departure from the government, it was observed in their consultation that he had never, on any occasion, said a word to the public which showed a belief in the Christian religion, and they thought they should so pen their address as to force him at length to disclose publicly whether he was a Christian or not. However, he observed, the old fox was too cunning for them. He answered every article of their address particularly, except that, which he passed over without notice."
-- Thomas Jefferson, quoted from Jefferson's Works, Vol. iv., p. 572.

Also, if you can find any record of George Washington taking Holy Communion, you should publish it. As no scholar has done so yet. And many have documented quotes from friends, family and clergy that say they never saw him do so.

The founders knew of the balance regarding religion and govt. Just as they foresaw the implications of an oppressive govt, britain, they also could see the ramifications of a national religion ie puritans, burning witches etc. An oppressive govt is exactly the same as one religion demanding obedience.

Which is exactly why the founding fathers allowed all people to worship as they chose, and for the gov't to have no official religion.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Wyatt earp]

Just like the age old topic of Hitler was a lefty or righty it always ends up in a stale.mate

 

[BluesLegend]

So you liberals wave the Constitution like a battle sword attacking Christians while at the same time you undermine it to transform America into some socialist slave state, got it. /eyeroll

Who is attacking Christians? Why is having a secular nation an attack on Christians? You got to be the defacto ruling class for most of the time we have been a nation. And did so without taking responsibility for any failures or trangressions.

And when people start demanding that you relinquish your power in the gov't, per the US Constitution, you whine about being attacked?? lol

You liberals are hilarious in your dishonesty. You stand there, cookie crumbs down your shirt, chocolate smeared on your face, mouth stuffed full of cookie and claim you didn't sneak a cookie. lol

 

[WinterBorn]

So you liberals wave the Constitution like a battle sword attacking Christians while at the same time you undermine it to transform America into some socialist slave state, got it. /eyeroll

Who is attacking Christians? Why is having a secular nation an attack on Christians? You got to be the defacto ruling class for most of the time we have been a nation. And did so without taking responsibility for any failures or trangressions.

And when people start demanding that you relinquish your power in the gov't, per the US Constitution, you whine about being attacked?? lol

You liberals are hilarious in your dishonesty. You stand there, cookie crumbs down your shirt, chocolate smeared on your face, mouth stuffed full of cookie and claim you didn't sneak a cookie. lol

Quit spouting nonsense and tell us exactly how Christians are being attacked? If attempting to label me a liberal helps you feel better, by all means go for it. No need to worry about accuracy.

 

[Iceweasel]

I have a question for those who claim we are, in fact, a Christian nation (not just a nation of predominantly Christian people).

Would you say that the basic tenets of Christianity would be contained in the 10 Commandments?

Christians don't live under Mosaic Law.

 

[Iceweasel]

I have a question for those who claim we are, in fact, a Christian nation (not just a nation of predominantly Christian people).

Would you say that the basic tenets of Christianity would be contained in the 10 Commandments?

I know where you are trying to go with this, free masons and all the rest, I have read on the internet on this subject the past 20 years now I have been in the political chatrooms and now the forums , it is a long old debate, that always ends in a stalemate.

If the rules of Christianity demand that there be no other gods, that there is only one god, that you not take his name in vain, and that the sabbath be kept holy, then this is certainly not a Christian nation, since we do none of those (by law).

You keep repeating the same mistake. This was never a theocracy. There were some local "blue" laws and may yet still be but that's the locals in action.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I have a question for those who claim we are, in fact, a Christian nation (not just a nation of predominantly Christian people).

Would you say that the basic tenets of Christianity would be contained in the 10 Commandments?

I know where you are trying to go with this, free masons and all the rest, I have read on the internet on this subject the past 20 years now I have been in the political chatrooms and now the forums , it is a long old debate, that always ends in a stalemate.

If the rules of Christianity demand that there be no other gods, that there is only one god, that you not take his name in vain, and that the sabbath be kept holy, then this is certainly not a Christian nation, since we do none of those (by law).

Because its ridiculous notion, again you can not take the bible word for word, its about faith not words and most of the great things we have done was people who had faith in a christianity and the old god of the old testament judaism

 

[WinterBorn]

I have a question for those who claim we are, in fact, a Christian nation (not just a nation of predominantly Christian people).

Would you say that the basic tenets of Christianity would be contained in the 10 Commandments?

Christians don't live under Mosaic Law.

Christians certainly threw a fit when Judge Roy Moore was ordered to remove his 10 commandments monument from the state supreme courthouse lobby.

Are you saying that Christians are not bound by the 10 Commandments?? Plenty of religious scholars would disagree with you.

 

[WinterBorn]

I have a question for those who claim we are, in fact, a Christian nation (not just a nation of predominantly Christian people).

Would you say that the basic tenets of Christianity would be contained in the 10 Commandments?

I know where you are trying to go with this, free masons and all the rest, I have read on the internet on this subject the past 20 years now I have been in the political chatrooms and now the forums , it is a long old debate, that always ends in a stalemate.

If the rules of Christianity demand that there be no other gods, that there is only one god, that you not take his name in vain, and that the sabbath be kept holy, then this is certainly not a Christian nation, since we do none of those (by law).

You keep repeating the same mistake. This was never a theocracy. There were some local "blue" laws and may yet still be but that's the locals in action.

If Christianity is not the ruling religion, then our gov't is not a Christian gov't. In that case, as I have said before, we are a secular nation that is predominantly Christian by population. The nation (laws, gov't ect) is not Christian.