Founding Fathers: We Are Not a Christian Nation

[occupied]

The founders only put one thing regarding religion in the constitution, a prohibition against establishing a state church such as the Anglican church in England and left it to subsequent generations to decide what secular authority religion would have. Had our nation since been inclined to lean towards theocracy we would have structured through the courts a means to allow churches to become an official conscience of our nation but we wisely avoided that slippery slope. One thing is clear, our founders valued rationalism above all else, and despised the way British clergy had a seat at the table when important secular matters were discussed. God and damnation is just too powerful a political lever to allow into the halls of power. The faithful are too easily swayed by preaching and religious authority always tries to control everything without regard to liberty.

 

[guno]

Yea look at our national holidays like Christmas and good Friday,do we have a national Muslim day?

The Surprising Truth: Christians Once Banned Christmas

It may seem like Christmas has always been celebrated in the United States, but that's not the case. In fact, the joyous religious holiday was actually banned in America for several decades by Christians themselves.

The original war on Christmas was waged during the sixteenth and seventeenth century by Puritans, or Protestant Christians who believed that people needed strict rules to be religious and that any kind of merrymaking was sinful.

yes our own christer taliban
The Surprising Truth Christians Once Banned Christmas

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The founders only put one thing regarding religion in the constitution, a prohibition against establishing a state church such as the Anglican church in England and left it to subsequent generations to decide what secular authority religion would have.

Two things, no establishment, and now religious test to hold public office.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Yea look at our national holidays like Christmas and good Friday,do we have a national Muslim day?

The Surprising Truth: Christians Once Banned Christmas

It may seem like Christmas has always been celebrated in the United States, but that's not the case. In fact, the joyous religious holiday was actually banned in America for several decades by Christians themselves.

The original war on Christmas was waged during the sixteenth and seventeenth century by Puritans, or Protestant Christians who believed that people needed strict rules to be religious and that any kind of merrymaking was sinful.

yes our own christer taliban

Christmas is unbiblical. And they would fine you for taking the day off or celebrating. The National Holiday, that shouldn't be.

 

[2aguy]

Oh...I thought atheists had killed more people.....I'll check back.....

 

[2aguy]

The founders only put one thing regarding religion in the constitution, a prohibition against establishing a state church such as the Anglican church in England and left it to subsequent generations to decide what secular authority religion would have.

Two things, no establishment, and now religious test to hold public office.

No religious test....freedom of religion....not freedom from religion........a religious test would be a violation of religious freedom....

 

[occupied]

The founders only put one thing regarding religion in the constitution, a prohibition against establishing a state church such as the Anglican church in England and left it to subsequent generations to decide what secular authority religion would have.

Two things, no establishment, and now religious test to hold public office.

You are correct, my mistake.

 

[2aguy]

These are not the words of a man who wishes to establish a Christian theocracy. Jefferson promoted tolerance above all and said earlier that his statute for religious freedom in Virginia was "meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammeden, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination." He specifically wished to avoid the dominance of a single religion.

Hmmm...and Jefferson held religious services in the Capital building........

 

[PaintMyHouse]

These are not the words of a man who wishes to establish a Christian theocracy. Jefferson promoted tolerance above all and said earlier that his statute for religious freedom in Virginia was "meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammeden, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination." He specifically wished to avoid the dominance of a single religion.

Hmmm...and Jefferson held religious services in the Capital building........

Who cares if he did? They had the chance to establish a Christian Nation, and didn't.

 

[2aguy]

These are not the words of a man who wishes to establish a Christian theocracy. Jefferson promoted tolerance above all and said earlier that his statute for religious freedom in Virginia was "meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammeden, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination." He specifically wished to avoid the dominance of a single religion.

Hmmm...and Jefferson held religious services in the Capital building........

How cares if he did? They had the chance to establish a Christian Nation, and didn't.

They didn't want a state religion....they were all friendly to religious practice.......they wanted freedom of religion.......

 

[PaintMyHouse]

...they were all friendly to religious practice...

Don't bet on that, it isn't true: Addicting Info 35 Founding Father Quotes Conservative Christians Will Hate

 

[guno]

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

 

[guno]

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

 

[occupied]

...they were all friendly to religious practice...

Don't bet on that, it isn't true: Addicting Info 35 Founding Father Quotes Conservative Christians Will Hate

They fucking despised the Calvinists with all their being, they were the colonial version of RW evangelicals.

 

[The Rabbi]

The fact that the founding fathers were mostly christian shows the level of their dedication to creating a secular nation.

Bullshit.
The Constitution barred the FEDERAL government from establishing religion. But state governments were free to do so. And they did.
Religion is interwoven into our system because the people who founded it and governed it were religious people. They damnsure werent Muslims either.

Which states have an official religion?

Pennsylvania, Maryland and Georgia all had official religions.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

These were from one of our founding fathers: He doesn't reference a state religion, nor should he, but I think it is quite clear what he is referring to.



“It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”- George Washington

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.”- George Washington

"We beseech [God] to pardon our national and other transgressions"…- George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789

 

[Wyatt earp]

Yea look at our national holidays like Christmas and good Friday,do we have a national Muslim day?

The Surprising Truth: Christians Once Banned Christmas

It may seem like Christmas has always been celebrated in the United States, but that's not the case. In fact, the joyous religious holiday was actually banned in America for several decades by Christians themselves.

The original war on Christmas was waged during the sixteenth and seventeenth century by Puritans, or Protestant Christians who believed that people needed strict rules to be religious and that any kind of merrymaking was sinful.

yes our own christer taliban
The Surprising Truth Christians Once Banned Christmas

not telling me anything I don't already know, it's also a pagen holiday, right during the winter solstice or what ever and I think Lincoln was the one who made it a national holiday. That was not my point christianity was always apart of this county.

It says freedom of religion not what liberals interpret freedom from religion.
It says nothing about separation of church and state, that came latter from Jefferson letters and the supreme court up held that interpretation of the constitution later.

About good Friday never heard of a manufacturing company that didn't have that as a paid holiday.

So that's two Christian holidays to zero other faiths holidays in the USA
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[BluesLegend]

So you liberals wave the Constitution like a battle sword attacking Christians while at the same time you undermine it to transform America into some socialist slave state, got it. /eyeroll

 

[WinterBorn]

So you liberals wave the Constitution like a battle sword attacking Christians while at the same time you undermine it to transform America into some socialist slave state, got it. /eyeroll

Who is attacking Christians? Why is having a secular nation an attack on Christians? You got to be the defacto ruling class for most of the time we have been a nation. And did so without taking responsibility for any failures or trangressions.

And when people start demanding that you relinquish your power in the gov't, per the US Constitution, you whine about being attacked?? lol

 

[Wyatt earp]

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errorsThomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

any one with a,brain who read the various rewrites of the Bible can see it, even my uncle who is a Catholic priest admitted to me you can not take the Bible literally.