I disagree. First what is victory in Afghanistan? We don't want to lose. But what is the victory going to look like? We have no idea. We are clueless. We want to end the Islamic Terror, but how the hell do you drag a bunch of people stuck in the seventh century into modern secular society? Victory is impossible. We can't win in less than a century. John McCain was right about that. We have to being modern civilization and education to the people, and it will take three or four generations to make a dent.
We are throwing good money and lives after the bad. All so we don't have to admit we lost. The best we can hope for is Nixons peace with honor which lasted about a year until the North came down and won.
One day we will be forced to leave Afghanistan. We will blame liberals and whoever we want. But the truth is that you can't conquer a people who won't quit. More people wasted. More money wasted. All so we can fight not to lose.
Per The President's Statements, we aren't dragging anyone in to modern secular society.
We are going to KILL TERRORISTS. End of story.
If they want to marry sheep and goats, and treat their women like cattle, we don't have to deal with them economically. Nor are we going to care if they become democracies or not. This is THE RIGHT STRATEGY.
The only thing important is to make Terrorism Painful for the people that engage in it and countries that encourage it and give safe harbor to it.
If you are so confident we are going to lose, then go join ISIS and the Taliban and quit vomiting their propaganda up here on our message board. We do not need, do not want, and should not tolerate traitors in our midst.
Ollie Assburn!
Let me get this straight. Either I convert to a faith I don't believe in, or I support useless and wasteful military action because. Um. 'Merica dude.
We haven't made a dent in Terrorism since 9-11. We haven't. Terrorists now have huge swaths of Territory in Libya, thanks to an asinine belief that we had to get Gadaffi out. Thank Hillary and Obama, or blame them, but their actions were no dumber than anyone else who thinks that the answer is more war.
Tell me the one time a people were conquered in history successfully. Go ahead. I'll tell you now, the answer is not what you think. The only time was the American fight to occupy America. The Indians were not unified, and were taken piecemeal, if the Indians had a million people the colonists would have fled back to Europe with their tails between their legs.
Otherwise, if the people don't want to live with us, they don't. Look at Africa, the Whites were in charge, for a while, a blip in the thousands of years of history. Yet, who is in charge now? The Whites could not keep the people subjugated forever. People want to make their own decisions, and live according to their own beliefs.
So you bomb a few terrorists, and create that many more believers who are out to avenge the death of a friend, a relative, whatever. We crushed Al Queda, and created ISIS. We were going to defeat them by calling them Daesh. Which was asinine. We won World War II because the people had endured enough. But even then, we had to rebuild them as nationalists instead of subjugated people. Nationalists in the region we're talking about are Islamic, which means they will always resent the Infidels who fought and "freed" them.
Islamic Terror is worse now than it was before 9-11. Sixteen years of war on terror, and we've accomplished nothing except making defense industries richer making new high tech awesomeness that will kill terrorists by the thousands.
I'm not saying surrender. I'm saying realize the ******* truth. Pouring more into Afghanistan is stupid. Trump was right during the campaign, it was past time to get the hell out. It was past time to cut our losses and leave the people to their own hell. A hell they have to decide to change, a hell of their own making. Nope, we might look like we lost, and no politician will ever admit defeat. Hillary on election night is proof of that. The democrats since if you need more proof.
Look, we're pouring lives and treasure into a cesspool. We can't defeat terrorism with bombs. We have to have the people reject it. The people who want to join it. The Israeli have been bombing and killing Palestinians since the inception, and guess what, they're still fighting today. This is just the rocket attacks so far this year.
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2017 - Wikipedia
If killing the terrorists was the answer, don't you think it would have worked by now for Israel?
People have to want to live together, before they can. If one half of the equation doesn't want to, then peace is not an option. Go into Afghanistan if you want. Kill all the Terrorists you want. We have people looking to retire from the military in the next few years who literally joined after 9-11 and have spent their entire careers fighting and have accomplished jack shit. The names change, but the game remains the same.
In the meantime, we're fighting and killing the sons, nephews, and kids from the neighborhoods of the first bunch of idiots we killed.
We won't win. Well, I suppose we could nuke the region and turn it into a glass parking lot, but short of that, no. We could amend the constitution and show that Islam is not a protected religion, and that would hurt for a while, and might help in the long run, it's hard to say.
Make no mistake. We are not fighting for victory, we're fighting to keep from admitting that we lost.
