Former Pastor Converts To Atheism

[Papageorgio]

If I make a statement that I believe is true without solid evidence, then yes you can make the claim I have made a faith based statement.

However, A faith based statement does not inherent a religion.

For instance, to say "I believe in God" is not a statement that inherits Christianity.

However, theism is not a religion, nor does it have a religious structure by itself..

Also, Not all theist practice a religion--but they believe in God.

Is atheism faith based or is there plenty of evidence humans made up god? I say there's enough evidence a grand jury would take it to trial.

Good for you, why do you care what someone else believes?

 

[sealybobo]

What PratchettFan is saying is that if one believes there is no God(s), it is as much a faith-based belief as believing there is one. In other words, agnosticism is the only rational position. There is no faith in not believing one way or the other.

I don't believe in God. I don't believe there is no possibility of one or something like a god or something unimaginable. I just don't know.

Belief should not be substituted for knowledge. If there is one atheist belief, that should be it.

Hollie sealybobo ClosedCaption Carla_Danger

Do you agree theres a difference between being agnostic about a generic creator and being atheist about all the man made organized religions? You must have an opinion about Jesus Mohammad Noah moses and Joseph smith

Yes. My opinion is that all known religions' claims of truth seem highly unlikely.

Again. I would agree.

You remind me of me when I first started to see the truth. Good for you. Keep going. Its not enough to just reject religions. The true reality is that there very well may be no god.

But its better this way. Instead of the wishful thinking that you will live forever work towards helping the species live as long as possible.

That means going green and being pro science. Think you can handle it? Lol

Of course there may be no God. God is utterly irrelevant. I do not care if there is a God. I do, however, care about rational thought and logic. If you are going to claim your position is based upon that, then use it. I have no objection to belief, but don't claim it to be rational and logical.

But it is. Why dont you and I debate it. You start. So you tell me there is a god. I say I dont believe you. What do you say next?

 

[sealybobo]

If I make a statement that I believe is true without solid evidence, then yes you can make the claim I have made a faith based statement.

However, A faith based statement does not inherent a religion.

For instance, to say "I believe in God" is not a statement that inherits Christianity.

However, theism is not a religion, nor does it have a religious structure by itself..

Also, Not all theist practice a religion--but they believe in God.

Is atheism faith based or is there plenty of evidence humans made up god? I say there's enough evidence a grand jury would take it to trial.

Good for you, why do you care what someone else believes?

Have you watches the old and new cosmos series? Watch them and see how religion has held us back for over 2000 years.

 

[Papageorgio]

If I make a statement that I believe is true without solid evidence, then yes you can make the claim I have made a faith based statement.

However, A faith based statement does not inherent a religion.

For instance, to say "I believe in God" is not a statement that inherits Christianity.

However, theism is not a religion, nor does it have a religious structure by itself..

Also, Not all theist practice a religion--but they believe in God.

Is atheism faith based or is there plenty of evidence humans made up god? I say there's enough evidence a grand jury would take it to trial.

Good for you, why do you care what someone else believes?

Have you watches the old and new cosmos series? Watch them and see how religion has held us back for over 2000 years.

I tire of people that believe that there ideas are superior and so they have a right to force it on others. That is what atheist complain about when Christians try to convert them.

I have opinions and I have a right to them, you have your opinions and you have a right to them. I find both sides of this issue has those that are intolerant of others beliefs and others opinions. Liberals, who used to thump their chest about their tolerance are now seemingly the most intolerant.

We have a country based on beliefs and freedom, yet the extreme left and extreme right want to shove down people's throats the beliefs.

I for one am tired of their crap.

 

[amrchaos]

If I make a statement that I believe is true without solid evidence, then yes you can make the claim I have made a faith based statement.

However, A faith based statement does not inherent a religion.

For instance, to say "I believe in God" is not a statement that inherits Christianity.

However, theism is not a religion, nor does it have a religious structure by itself..

Also, Not all theist practice a religion--but they believe in God.

What then do you consider to be religion? What would be the attributes of a religion?

I would say at least these two things:

1) A system of ethics endorsed by the religion--i.e the religions morality

2)A philosophical view of the world characterized by the religion. The reason for this is for the follower to figure out what is "moral" in terms of the religion, if the action to take is not explicitly described in the religions code of morality.

 

[sealybobo]

What PratchettFan is saying is that if one believes there is no God(s), it is as much a faith-based belief as believing there is one. In other words, agnosticism is the only rational position. There is no faith in not believing one way or the other.

I don't believe in God. I don't believe there is no possibility of one or something like a god or something unimaginable. I just don't know.

Belief should not be substituted for knowledge. If there is one atheist belief, that should be it.

Hollie sealybobo ClosedCaption Carla_Danger

Sound more like an agnostic atheist to me.

A theist says they know god exists. He visited them. Fact.

There's actually no such thing as an atheist because you can not KNOW god doesnt exist. Atheism is the opposite of theism. Theists say they know god exists. Right? See how they dont know and neither do atheists? So the best position is agnostic atheist. You sound like one. Agnostics are pussies. Man up.

I'd rather not get into the definition of atheism, agnosticism, agnostic atheism, strong or weak atheism debate. Let's just say I'm a non-believer.

What do I need to "man up" to, and how would I? Why would I?

For all we know Joseph Smith was right and Mormonism is the one true faith. Or even L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. I hope not, and with everything I think I know - I would think that either of those examples are not true. But I don't know.

And belief should not be substituted for knowledge. That's the domain of the theist.

I guess I think if I tell a christian I'm agnostic they'll think I haven't made up my mind and think I haven't given it enough thought. Lol but the reality is I'm not an atheist and your not an agnostic we are both somewhere in between.

 

[Carla_Danger]

If I make a statement that I believe is true without solid evidence, then yes you can make the claim I have made a faith based statement.

However, A faith based statement does not inherent a religion.

For instance, to say "I believe in God" is not a statement that inherits Christianity.

However, theism is not a religion, nor does it have a religious structure by itself..

Also, Not all theist practice a religion--but they believe in God.

Is atheism faith based or is there plenty of evidence humans made up god? I say there's enough evidence a grand jury would take it to trial.

Good for you, why do you care what someone else believes?

Have you watches the old and new cosmos series? Watch them and see how religion has held us back for over 2000 years.

I tire of people that believe that there ideas are superior and so they have a right to force it on others. That is what atheist complain about when Christians try to convert them.

I have opinions and I have a right to them, you have your opinions and you have a right to them. I find both sides of this issue has those that are intolerant of others beliefs and others opinions. Liberals, who used to thump their chest about their tolerance are now seemingly the most intolerant.

We have a country based on beliefs and freedom, yet the extreme left and extreme right want to shove down people's throats the beliefs.

I for one am tired of their crap.

Yawn. We don't tolerate intolerance. We also don't come knocking on your door at diner time.

 

[amrchaos]

Do you agree theres a difference between being agnostic about a generic creator and being atheist about all the man made organized religions? You must have an opinion about Jesus Mohammad Noah moses and Joseph smith

Yes. My opinion is that all known religions' claims of truth seem highly unlikely.

Again. I would agree.

You remind me of me when I first started to see the truth. Good for you. Keep going. Its not enough to just reject religions. The true reality is that there very well may be no god.

But its better this way. Instead of the wishful thinking that you will live forever work towards helping the species live as long as possible.

That means going green and being pro science. Think you can handle it? Lol

Of course there may be no God. God is utterly irrelevant. I do not care if there is a God. I do, however, care about rational thought and logic. If you are going to claim your position is based upon that, then use it. I have no objection to belief, but don't claim it to be rational and logical.

But it is. Why dont you and I debate it. You start. So you tell me there is a god. I say I dont believe you. What do you say next?

Careful

Depending on the definition of God, you can lose this argument!!

Not every theist believes in the anthropomorphic God as described in the Bible.

 

[sealybobo]

If I make a statement that I believe is true without solid evidence, then yes you can make the claim I have made a faith based statement.

However, A faith based statement does not inherent a religion.

For instance, to say "I believe in God" is not a statement that inherits Christianity.

However, theism is not a religion, nor does it have a religious structure by itself..

Also, Not all theist practice a religion--but they believe in God.

Is atheism faith based or is there plenty of evidence humans made up god? I say there's enough evidence a grand jury would take it to trial.

Good for you, why do you care what someone else believes?

Have you watches the old and new cosmos series? Watch them and see how religion has held us back for over 2000 years.

I tire of people that believe that there ideas are superior and so they have a right to force it on others. That is what atheist complain about when Christians try to convert them.

I have opinions and I have a right to them, you have your opinions and you have a right to them. I find both sides of this issue has those that are intolerant of others beliefs and others opinions. Liberals, who used to thump their chest about their tolerance are now seemingly the most intolerant.

We have a country based on beliefs and freedom, yet the extreme left and extreme right want to shove down people's throats the beliefs.

I for one am tired of their crap.

Every generation thinks the next generation is going to hell.

And I believe "they" use religion as a wedge issue to divide us. These wedge issues divide the middle class and turn what should be blue states red.

 

[sealybobo]

Yes. My opinion is that all known religions' claims of truth seem highly unlikely.

Again. I would agree.

You remind me of me when I first started to see the truth. Good for you. Keep going. Its not enough to just reject religions. The true reality is that there very well may be no god.

But its better this way. Instead of the wishful thinking that you will live forever work towards helping the species live as long as possible.

That means going green and being pro science. Think you can handle it? Lol

Of course there may be no God. God is utterly irrelevant. I do not care if there is a God. I do, however, care about rational thought and logic. If you are going to claim your position is based upon that, then use it. I have no objection to belief, but don't claim it to be rational and logical.

But it is. Why dont you and I debate it. You start. So you tell me there is a god. I say I dont believe you. What do you say next?

Careful

Depending on the definition of God, you can lose this argument!!

Not every theist believes in the anthropomorphic God as described in the Bible.

Like boss? Please explain your god to me. Let's hear your spin.

 

[Carla_Danger]

If I make a statement that I believe is true without solid evidence, then yes you can make the claim I have made a faith based statement.

However, A faith based statement does not inherent a religion.

For instance, to say "I believe in God" is not a statement that inherits Christianity.

However, theism is not a religion, nor does it have a religious structure by itself..

Also, Not all theist practice a religion--but they believe in God.

Is atheism faith based or is there plenty of evidence humans made up god? I say there's enough evidence a grand jury would take it to trial.

Good for you, why do you care what someone else believes?

Have you watches the old and new cosmos series? Watch them and see how religion has held us back for over 2000 years.

I tire of people that believe that there ideas are superior and so they have a right to force it on others. That is what atheist complain about when Christians try to convert them.

I have opinions and I have a right to them, you have your opinions and you have a right to them. I find both sides of this issue has those that are intolerant of others beliefs and others opinions. Liberals, who used to thump their chest about their tolerance are now seemingly the most intolerant.

We have a country based on beliefs and freedom, yet the extreme left and extreme right want to shove down people's throats the beliefs.

I for one am tired of their crap.

Every generation thinks the next generation is going to hell.

And I believe "they" use religion as a wedge issue to divide us. These wedge issues divide the middle class and turn what should be blue states red.

Since the beginning, the end of days have been near.

 

[Papageorgio]

If I make a statement that I believe is true without solid evidence, then yes you can make the claim I have made a faith based statement.

However, A faith based statement does not inherent a religion.

For instance, to say "I believe in God" is not a statement that inherits Christianity.

However, theism is not a religion, nor does it have a religious structure by itself..

Also, Not all theist practice a religion--but they believe in God.

Is atheism faith based or is there plenty of evidence humans made up god? I say there's enough evidence a grand jury would take it to trial.

Good for you, why do you care what someone else believes?

Have you watches the old and new cosmos series? Watch them and see how religion has held us back for over 2000 years.

I tire of people that believe that there ideas are superior and so they have a right to force it on others. That is what atheist complain about when Christians try to convert them.

I have opinions and I have a right to them, you have your opinions and you have a right to them. I find both sides of this issue has those that are intolerant of others beliefs and others opinions. Liberals, who used to thump their chest about their tolerance are now seemingly the most intolerant.

We have a country based on beliefs and freedom, yet the extreme left and extreme right want to shove down people's throats the beliefs.

I for one am tired of their crap.

Yawn. We don't tolerate intolerance. We also don't come knocking on your door at diner time.

Big fucking deal! My word! A knock at the door! It is a small price to pay. It is a freedom we have in this country. It is a First Amendment right. If you don't want any religion calling on you put out a sign or ask them to please don't call on you. Why are you so intolerant to others thoughts? It's great to discuss but why put down others beliefs?

You are intolerant, I have my beliefs, they are my beliefs, others tell me their beliefs, I don't belittle them for them. I tolerate that we have a diverse nation, we all have ideas and we all need to be tolerant of that of which we don't understand.

Now, when you talk of hate groups, I am also tolerant of their rights, I disagree with them, however they have a right to show their intolerance, just as you are doing.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Is atheism faith based or is there plenty of evidence humans made up god? I say there's enough evidence a grand jury would take it to trial.

Good for you, why do you care what someone else believes?

Have you watches the old and new cosmos series? Watch them and see how religion has held us back for over 2000 years.

I tire of people that believe that there ideas are superior and so they have a right to force it on others. That is what atheist complain about when Christians try to convert them.

I have opinions and I have a right to them, you have your opinions and you have a right to them. I find both sides of this issue has those that are intolerant of others beliefs and others opinions. Liberals, who used to thump their chest about their tolerance are now seemingly the most intolerant.

We have a country based on beliefs and freedom, yet the extreme left and extreme right want to shove down people's throats the beliefs.

I for one am tired of their crap.

Yawn. We don't tolerate intolerance. We also don't come knocking on your door at diner time.

Big fucking deal! My word! A knock at the door! It is a small price to pay. It is a freedom we have in this country. It is a First Amendment right. If you don't want any religion calling on you put out a sign or ask them to please don't call on you. Why are you so intolerant to others thoughts? It's great to discuss but why put down others beliefs?

You are intolerant, I have my beliefs, they are my beliefs, others tell me their beliefs, I don't belittle them for them. I tolerate that we have a diverse nation, we all have ideas and we all need to be tolerant of that of which we don't understand.

Now, when you talk of hate groups, I am also tolerant of their rights, I disagree with them, however they have a right to show their intolerance, just as you are doing.

I do have a sign on my door....now.

I'd like to see the reaction from Christian's if groups of atheists came knocking on their doors, yelling at them on the corners, along with handing out literature to their children. LOL! That would be a riot.

Because of one billboard, Bill O'Reilly continued his "War on Christmas" series this year.

 

[sealybobo]

Is atheism faith based or is there plenty of evidence humans made up god? I say there's enough evidence a grand jury would take it to trial.

Good for you, why do you care what someone else believes?

Have you watches the old and new cosmos series? Watch them and see how religion has held us back for over 2000 years.

I tire of people that believe that there ideas are superior and so they have a right to force it on others. That is what atheist complain about when Christians try to convert them.

I have opinions and I have a right to them, you have your opinions and you have a right to them. I find both sides of this issue has those that are intolerant of others beliefs and others opinions. Liberals, who used to thump their chest about their tolerance are now seemingly the most intolerant.

We have a country based on beliefs and freedom, yet the extreme left and extreme right want to shove down people's throats the beliefs.

I for one am tired of their crap.

Yawn. We don't tolerate intolerance. We also don't come knocking on your door at diner time.

Big fucking deal! My word! A knock at the door! It is a small price to pay. It is a freedom we have in this country. It is a First Amendment right. If you don't want any religion calling on you put out a sign or ask them to please don't call on you. Why are you so intolerant to others thoughts? It's great to discuss but why put down others beliefs?

You are intolerant, I have my beliefs, they are my beliefs, others tell me their beliefs, I don't belittle them for them. I tolerate that we have a diverse nation, we all have ideas and we all need to be tolerant of that of which we don't understand.

Now, when you talk of hate groups, I am also tolerant of their rights, I disagree with them, however they have a right to show their intolerance, just as you are doing.

I'm going to walk up to teens with atheist propaganda. Spread the word. I'm going to prey on kids like those born again did to us when we were kids. See how parents like that walking around their neighborhood.

 

[amrchaos]

Again. I would agree.

You remind me of me when I first started to see the truth. Good for you. Keep going. Its not enough to just reject religions. The true reality is that there very well may be no god.

But its better this way. Instead of the wishful thinking that you will live forever work towards helping the species live as long as possible.

That means going green and being pro science. Think you can handle it? Lol

Of course there may be no God. God is utterly irrelevant. I do not care if there is a God. I do, however, care about rational thought and logic. If you are going to claim your position is based upon that, then use it. I have no objection to belief, but don't claim it to be rational and logical.

But it is. Why dont you and I debate it. You start. So you tell me there is a god. I say I dont believe you. What do you say next?

Careful

Depending on the definition of God, you can lose this argument!!

Not every theist believes in the anthropomorphic God as described in the Bible.

Like boss? Please explain your god to me. Let's hear your spin.

Ok--let us try this one:

God created me

From this definition, I have two Gods, my mother and my father.

If it was in reference to you, then you have two Gods--your mother and your father(biologically speaking, of course)

Provable by science as well--

(Note: these are anthropomorphic gods, but they are not the ones described in the bible!)

 

[Porker]

That's cool...it didn't work out all that well for Madalyn Murray O'Hair. She ended up riddled with bullets and dumped into a lake if I remember correctly. Piece of female shit got just what she deserved.

Murder of Madalyn Murray O Hair

What a Christian thing to say.

I just believe in GOD. Which doesn't mean I'm a practicing Christian. I haven't been one since my last Easter egg hunt at about age six or seven. But I'm sure no goddamned atheist either and literally hate those bastards for attacking our constitutional rights to practice the religion of our choice in public. So screw your atheist ass/

How has your Constitutional right to Freedom of Religion been affected or attacked by atheists?

How many times have those atheist bastards sued the Board of Education/City/State to stop the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance from being recited in PUBLIC SCHOOLS ? That is how.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

What PratchettFan is saying is that if one believes there is no God(s), it is as much a faith-based belief as believing there is one. In other words, agnosticism is the only rational position. There is no faith in not believing one way or the other.

I don't believe in God. I don't believe there is no possibility of one or something like a god or something unimaginable. I just don't know.

Belief should not be substituted for knowledge. If there is one atheist belief, that should be it.

Hollie sealybobo ClosedCaption Carla_Danger

Sound more like an agnostic atheist to me.

A theist says they know god exists. He visited them. Fact.

There's actually no such thing as an atheist because you can not KNOW god doesnt exist. Atheism is the opposite of theism. Theists say they know god exists. Right? See how they dont know and neither do atheists? So the best position is agnostic atheist. You sound like one. Agnostics are pussies. Man up.

I'd rather not get into the definition of atheism, agnosticism, agnostic atheism, strong or weak atheism debate. Let's just say I'm a non-believer.

What do I need to "man up" to, and how would I? Why would I?

For all we know Joseph Smith was right and Mormonism is the one true faith. Or even L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. I hope not, and with everything I think I know - I would think that either of those examples are not true. But I don't know.

And belief should not be substituted for knowledge. That's the domain of the theist.

I guess I think if I tell a christian I'm agnostic they'll think I haven't made up my mind and think I haven't given it enough thought. Lol but the reality is I'm not an atheist and your not an agnostic we are both somewhere in between.

Which is why I just go with "non-believer".

 

[Coloradomtnman]

That's cool...it didn't work out all that well for Madalyn Murray O'Hair. She ended up riddled with bullets and dumped into a lake if I remember correctly. Piece of female shit got just what she deserved.

Murder of Madalyn Murray O Hair

What a Christian thing to say.

I just believe in GOD. Which doesn't mean I'm a practicing Christian. I haven't been one since my last Easter egg hunt at about age six or seven. But I'm sure no goddamned atheist either and literally hate those bastards for attacking our constitutional rights to practice the religion of our choice in public. So screw your atheist ass/

How has your Constitutional right to Freedom of Religion been affected or attacked by atheists?

How many times have those atheist bastards sued the Board of Education/City/State to stop the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance from being recited in PUBLIC SCHOOLS ? That is how.

If that is true, and I'm not saying it isn't, what does the pledge of allegiance have to do with freedom of religion?

 

[Porker]

If that is true, and I'm not saying it isn't, what does the pledge of allegiance have to do with freedom of religion?

To atheist, the inclusion of 'under GOD'. Many schools will not require it recited anymore because of atheists. Piss on 'em. It 'offends" them.

 

[Papageorgio]

Good for you, why do you care what someone else believes?

Have you watches the old and new cosmos series? Watch them and see how religion has held us back for over 2000 years.

I tire of people that believe that there ideas are superior and so they have a right to force it on others. That is what atheist complain about when Christians try to convert them.

I have opinions and I have a right to them, you have your opinions and you have a right to them. I find both sides of this issue has those that are intolerant of others beliefs and others opinions. Liberals, who used to thump their chest about their tolerance are now seemingly the most intolerant.

We have a country based on beliefs and freedom, yet the extreme left and extreme right want to shove down people's throats the beliefs.

I for one am tired of their crap.

Yawn. We don't tolerate intolerance. We also don't come knocking on your door at diner time.

Big fucking deal! My word! A knock at the door! It is a small price to pay. It is a freedom we have in this country. It is a First Amendment right. If you don't want any religion calling on you put out a sign or ask them to please don't call on you. Why are you so intolerant to others thoughts? It's great to discuss but why put down others beliefs?

You are intolerant, I have my beliefs, they are my beliefs, others tell me their beliefs, I don't belittle them for them. I tolerate that we have a diverse nation, we all have ideas and we all need to be tolerant of that of which we don't understand.

Now, when you talk of hate groups, I am also tolerant of their rights, I disagree with them, however they have a right to show their intolerance, just as you are doing.

I do have a sign on my door....now.

I'd like to see the reaction from Christian's if groups of atheists came knocking on their doors, yelling at them on the corners, along with handing out literature to their children. LOL! That would be a riot.

Because of one billboard, Bill O'Reilly continued his "War on Christmas" series this year.

You are free to do what you want, as far as O'Reilly, I don't watch him, he is an entertainer that I don't find that entertaining, much like Hannity, Sharpton, Stewart or any number of hosts.

Anytime an atheist wants to come to my door, fine, no big deal. I am not to bigoted to talk and tolerate their point of view.