Former FBI Director James Comey: "86 47"

[TemplarKormac]

Do you have any idea how high of a legal standard you’d have to reach to be able to call this incitement?

Yeah, I do.

Mens rea. Intent.

The simple question would be: "If he was unaware of the meaning of '86', why did he feel the need to post it?"

That establishes intent. He knew what it meant. He meant to post it.

For one, you claim “ignorance” isn’t an excuse. But what you actually mean is intent. You’d have to prove intent.

See above.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Boy, before my mental issues derailed my hopes of a proper college education, I was studying medicine and law.

I can easily dissuade you of any doubt that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Furthermore, I can read dictionaries. I'm aware of colloquialisms, slang, alternative meanings, etc, and etc.

You're simply a doddering, foolish leftist trying to justify what he can't comprehend.

 

[Thinker101]

He sure triggered the cultists.

Yep, I'm sure you'll be singing that same tune when Comey gets "triggered".

 

[Marener]

Boy, before my mental issues derailed my hopes of a proper college education, I was studying medicine and law.

I can easily dissuade you of any doubt that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Furthermore, I can read dictionaries. I'm aware of colloquialisms, slang, alternative meanings, etc, and etc.

You're simply a doddering, foolish liberal trying to justify what he can't comprehend.

You’re more than welcome to discuss the legal standards necessary to prove a threat against the president or incitement.

But we both know you’re not going to do that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Not an excuse, but an explanation:

It's pretty hard to maintain respect for the office, when the man holding it has no respect whatsoever for the office.

But we have to try.

 

[ColonelAngus]

No one is above the law.

So weird how you lefties claim to have forgotten YOUR OWN MANTRA you jammed down our throats for years.

Time for you to choke on that chicken wing.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No one is above the law.

*except for my special little flag-hugging orange man and anyone who helps him.

 

[Marener]

Why do you defend criminals?

Why do you vote for them?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

I won't say Comey needs to be charged or prosecuted, I just don't see it as that big a deal. What IS a big deal to me about this is that if Trump had done the same thing with Biden, everyone knows - Trump haters and Trump supporters alike - that Democrats would be screaming for Trump's head.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You’re more than welcome to discuss the legal standards necessary to prove a threat against the president or incitement.

Ah, can't say I didn't warn you, then:

First, incitement is not protected speech, as established under the Brandenberg test in SCOTUS case Brandenberg v. Ohio (1969). Given that Comey posted it, that's the first domino to fall. This type of speech is not protected.

Second, what Comey did is a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 373(a):

Solicitation to commit a crime of violence:

(a)Whoever, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against property or against the person of another in violation of the laws of the United States, and under circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicits, commands, induces, or otherwise endeavors to persuade such other person to engage in such conduct, shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half of the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the crime solicited, or both; or if the crime solicited is punishable by life imprisonment or death, shall be imprisoned for not more than twenty years.

The intention to solicit a crime was clearly established by Comey making the post in the first place. He knew the targets of his post. Open and shut. His goose is cooked.

And so is yours.

 

[TemplarKormac]

But we both know you’re not going to do that.

Impudent brat.

I just did. Your impatience undoes you.

 

[Marener]

Impudent brat.

I just did. Your impatience undoes you.

It was a pathetic attempt which made little sense.

He could have any reason to post it. You need to PROVE intent. You need to PROVE he intended it as a threat. Then you need to PROVE it constitutes a true threat.

He posted it because he thought it was interesting. PROVE otherwise.

 

[Marener]

The intention to solicit a crime was clearly established by Comey making the post in the first place

How?
You haven’t explained anything. You just restated the same claim with more words.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It was a pathetic attempt which made little sense.

He could have any reason to post it. You need to PROVE intent. You need to PROVE he intended it as a threat. Then you need to PROVE it constitutes a true threat.

He posted it because he thought it was interesting. PROVE otherwise.

I just did, again.

Do you actually read anything I post?

It puts the lie to his "I didn't know" defense when he actually posts it. I ask again, if he didn't understand the meaning of something he found "interesting," why did he feel the need to post it?

Otherwise, the picture is just an innocuous collection of rocks, conveniently arranged in a random assemblage of numbers.

You couldn't possibly expect any prospective grand juror that he didn't know what it meant at the time he posted it.

The Miranda Warning puts it succinctly:

"You have the right to remain silent, anything you say or do can be used against you in the court of law."

Both the "say" and "do" elements have already been met here, as well.

Comey is toast. Sorry, kid.

 

[Care4all]

Remove 47 from the premises! Impeach 47! 86 47 could have different interpretations, so it's likely that nothing will happen to him with the exercising his free speech argument...that he'd likely take...imo.

 

[TemplarKormac]

He could have any reason to post it.

Such as? What other reason would he have for posting a random assemblage of numbers?

Is he a math geek? A geology guru?

 

[Foxfyre]

Comey now says he had no idea '86' implied violence so he took down his post. No idea? A former FBI Director?

I call bullsh*t.

And anybody who buys that I still have that nice collection of bridges in assorted colors for sale.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Remove 47 from the premises! Impeach 47! 86 47 could have different interpretations, so it's likely that nothing will happen to him with the exercising his free speech argument...that he'd likely take...imo.

In the context of what two people tried to do to him last year, it clearly does not mean "remove him from the White House."

Let's not try to snake our way out of this one.

 

[Marener]

It puts the lie to his "I didn't know" defense when he actually posts it. I ask again, if he didn't understand the meaning of something he found "interesting," why did he feel the need to post it?

He thought it was interesting. So he posted it. That's what people do. They post interesting things.

PROVE otherwise.

 

[Blaster]

Remove 47 from the premises! Impeach 47! 86 47 could have different interpretations, so it's likely that nothing will happen to him with the exercising his free speech argument...that he'd likely take...imo.

Bullshit.