Former DOJ national security chief says that Trump likely violated the Espionage Act and a separate federal statute

[bripat9643]

All this started because I published the historians viewpoint about presidents. It's a fact, not an opinion, that they rated Obama a very good president and Trump one of the worst. You tried to nitpick at their conclusions, then you're just continued with personal attacks on me I'm sorry but that's not the way a discussion board is supposed to run you make your point I make my point you make your counter points etc. What you're doing here is just plain bullshit. And I'm done with it. I made my counterpoint 20 posts ago. You're just wasting your time and mine.

A historian's "viewpoint," is an opinion, not a fact. Historians are 95% leftwingers.

 

[Stann]

What we call Republicans...you call RINOs

Agreed, these new Republicans are far-right extremists. Who else would believe that it's all right to attempt to take over the Capitol by force. They're actually trying to defend that.

 

[bripat9643]

Agreed, these new Republicans are far-right extremists. Who else would believe that it's all right to attempt to take over the Capitol by force. They're actually trying to defend that.

No one did, dumbass. Who believed it was all right to take over Portland, Seattle and Minneapolis by force?

 

[Sandy Shanks]

This astonishing jump in falsehoods is the story of Trump’s tumultuous reign. By the end of his term, Trump had accumulated 30,573 untruths during his presidency — averaging about 21 erroneous claims a day. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/
Trump's devoted followers aside, is there any reason in the world why Americans should believe anything Trump says?

This is typical of Trump, and he did it quite often as President. He thinks he is being clever when he attempts to have it both ways.

In the end, though, he looks like a fool because he immediately contradicts what he just said.

First, a pathetic attempt at a mea culpa for stealing Top Secret documents when he left the White House.

The Hill reports, "Former President Trump on Monday said his aides have reached out to the Department of Justice (DOJ) to offer “whatever we can do to help,” saying the “temperature has to be brought down” after a spike in threats against law enforcement following the FBI’s search of his Mar-a-Lago estate.

“Whatever we can do to help — because the temperature has to be brought down in the country,” Trump told Fox News. “If it isn’t, terrible things are going to happen.”

However, he then repeated attacks on the FBI over the search for classified documents that took place at his Florida estate last week and defended his supporters’ threats.

“People are so angry at what is taking place. They are not going to stand for another scam,” describing the FBI’s past investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election as a “witch hunt.”

The [Republican] Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday reaffirmed its support for the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election with the goal of putting Donald Trump in the Oval Office. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...rms-russia-aimed-to-help-trump-in-2016-198171

Yeah, he looks like an idiot.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

The [Republican] Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday reaffirmed its support for the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election with the goal of putting Donald Trump in the Oval Office. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...rms-russia-aimed-to-help-trump-in-2016-198171

ABC reports, "Sens. Mark Warner, D-Va., and Marco Rubio, R-Fla., the chair and vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, respectively, have sent a private letter to top intelligence officials and the Justice Department asking for more information from last week's unprecedented FBI search at Mar-a-Lago.

"The letter, sent Sunday to Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines and Attorney General Merrick Garland, specifically seeks the classified documents that were seized and an analysis of any national security threat posed by the mishandling of the information.

"The request comes after it was revealed that 11 sets of classified information were seized from former President Donald Trump's Florida resort, including confidential, secret, and top-secret documents."

"The Senate Intelligence Committee is charged with overseeing counterintelligence matters, including the handling and mishandling of classified information, which appears to be at the core of the search of Mar a Lago," said Rachel Cohen, a spokesperson for Warner.

Recalling that Vladimir Putin wanted this man to become our next President in 2016, Trump has offered many lies and threats concerning the legal FBI search of his Mar-a-Lago home, but he has never explained why he removed classified documents from the White House.

 

[Stann]

This is typical of Trump, and he did it quite often as President. He thinks he is being clever when he attempts to have it both ways.

In the end, though, he looks like a fool because he immediately contradicts what he just said.

First, a pathetic attempt at a mea culpa for stealing Top Secret documents when he left the White House.

The Hill reports, "Former President Trump on Monday said his aides have reached out to the Department of Justice (DOJ) to offer “whatever we can do to help,” saying the “temperature has to be brought down” after a spike in threats against law enforcement following the FBI’s search of his Mar-a-Lago estate.

“Whatever we can do to help — because the temperature has to be brought down in the country,” Trump told Fox News. “If it isn’t, terrible things are going to happen.”

However, he then repeated attacks on the FBI over the search for classified documents that took place at his Florida estate last week and defended his supporters’ threats.

“People are so angry at what is taking place. They are not going to stand for another scam,” describing the FBI’s past investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election as a “witch hunt.”

The [Republican] Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday reaffirmed its support for the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election with the goal of putting Donald Trump in the Oval Office. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...rms-russia-aimed-to-help-trump-in-2016-198171

Yeah, he looks like an idiot.

Why would any intelligent person lie all the time in the first place.

 

[bripat9643]

Why would any intelligent person lie all the time in the first place.

You tell us.

 

[Stann]

You tell us.

www.rollingstone.com trump's economic legacy: another trickle-down economic disaster October 26th., 20/20 www.americanprogress.org how middle class and working families could lose under the trump tax plan. June 13th., 2017. www.newsweek.com fact check: is Trump right that inflation Bill raises middle income taxes. Claimed by Donald Trump. Fact-check Conclusion : mostly false August 5th.,2022. Surprise, surprise, more lies. What else would you expect coming out of his mouth.

 

[Mac-7]

You and I have opinions. They have facts. End of story once and for all. Goodbye.

They have : President X was better than Y

Thats only an opinion

 

[bripat9643]

www.rollingstone.com trump's economic legacy: another trickle-down economic disaster October 26th., 20/20 www.americanprogress.org how middle class and working families could lose under the trump tax plan. June 13th., 2017. www.newsweek.com fact check: is Trump right that inflation Bill raises middle income taxes. Claimed by Donald Trump. Fact-check Conclusion : mostly false August 5th.,2022. Surprise, surprise, more lies. What else would you expect coming out of his mouth.

Thanks for posting those lies. We all had a good laugh over them.

 

[Godboy]

The Espionage Act has a specific provision that relates to gross negligence of handling of documents.

The full interview has a lot of interesting insights.

“There's a variety of different possible crimes, but I think the two that are probably worth focusing the most on are 18 USC 2071. This really applies to any federal government employee who, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies or destroys public records, right? Records that are public records. Another potential crime is actually under the Espionage Act, which is 18 USC 793. And that actually has provisions that apply to essentially the mishandling through gross negligence, permitting documents to be removed from their proper place, or to be lost, stolen, or destroyed. There's also conspiracy provisions within that 18 USC 793. But certainly gross negligence could be proved by willfulness, because that would be even beyond gross negligence.”

One other important point she makes is that the FBI would have good reason to believe evidence is still there.

“It's a very overt step for the FBI to actually execute a search warrant that signals to the whole world that they had probable cause — that a federal judge agreed with — to believe that the evidence of a crime would be located in the premises to be searched at the time it was searched. So it couldn't be, "We thought the stuff was there a year ago, but not now." It would have to be probable cause to believe that evidence of a crime exists in that location at that time. And that means that the Department of Justice, probably at the highest levels, probably all the way up to the attorney general, agreed that this was a step that was not only legally supportable, but also important to take.”

FBI warrant for search of Trump home may involve suspected violations of Espionage Act, former chief of DOJ national security says

The former chief of the Justice Department’s national security division said Tuesday that the FBI warrant for the search of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home in Palm Beach, Fla., suggests prosecutors believe they have probable cause that there may have been violations of the World War I-era...

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If this is over documents, your party is sunk. You better pray that he sold information to our enemies because, thats the only kind of thing people are going to accept as a good enough reason to raid his home.

 

[berg80]

It's far more likely that this is bullshit. Like the last 2 impeachments and the ongoing Jan 6th humbuggery.

There wasn't anything that was bullshit about the impeachments (other than Repub senators ignoring the overwhelming evidence of Trump's guilt) or the 1/6 committee's stunning revelations of Trump's attempted coup.

 

[berg80]

If this is over documents, your party is sunk. You better pray that he sold information to our enemies because, thats the only kind of thing people are going to accept as a good enough reason to raid his home.

The people you are describing condone traitorous, unlawful behavior.

 

[Billy000]

If this is over documents, your party is sunk. You better pray that he sold information to our enemies because, thats the only kind of thing people are going to accept as a good enough reason to raid his home.

Oh documents huh? Like Hillary’s emails?

 

[bripat9643]

There wasn't anything that was bullshit about the impeachments (other than Repub senators ignoring the overwhelming evidence of Trump's guilt) or the 1/6 committee's stunning revelations of Trump's attempted coup.

Everything about the impeachments was bullshit. They had a bunch of "witnesses" parade before the committee and present their hearsay evidence. What could be phonier than that?

 

[bripat9643]

The people you are describing condone traitorous, unlawful behavior.

You mean Hillary and Biden?

 

[Billiejeens]

Don't even need to watch the interview to know the interviewee doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. How do I know? The POTUS is not a federal government employee. So any other crap he spewed is probably just as unreliable.

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It's a chick

 

[OKTexas]

It's a chick

It's still stupid.

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[Billy000]

Everything about the impeachments was bullshit. They had a bunch of "witnesses" parade before the committee and present their hearsay evidence. What could be phonier than that?

Just admit you’re going to mindlessly defend Trump regardless of what he says or does.

 

[SweetSue92]

Why would any intelligent person lie all the time in the first place.

.....says the poster who claims he was at the Crucifixion of Christ.

Meaning, he was THERE. He witnessed it.

Yeah