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You with your apples and oranges all the time. Apparently most people in those countries respect law and order. We don't have that here with a segment of our people. Here, they protest the police, riot, de-fund them, threaten their lives and that of their families, even assault them like they do in NYC, and the cowardly politicians cater to evil because as I have said many times, Democrats are the disciples of Satan. They do what their master tells them to do. Our police are no more trigger happy than any other police officer in other countries. It's just that their job is not nearly as dangerous as our officers here.

The only difference between the US and the UK is that they don't let every maniac who wants a gun have one. That's it. Oh, yeah, and they don't let people become so grindlying poor that crime seems like a good move.

So how about we do what the British do. Socialism and gun confiscation. Then the cops don't have an excuse to shoot poor people because they are scared.

Why would they be doing that? Nothing in it for them. If they wanted to make a real bust, they would have went after the doctor.
The Doctor didn't live in their state. They could threaten his license, but they couldn't threaten him with jail. The real problem was, they engaged in a raid on this man's house and found a suburban family with a disabled person in it, and rather than just admit their fuck up, they went on a multi-year campaign to try to convict this man of something.


That has nothing to do with what's being discussed. These people are staying home because the government is paying them to stay home, not because of covid which we've had a vaccine for over seven months now.
These people are staying home because they don't want to risk their lives for shit jobs. Come on, with all the vaccine misinformation your side regularly spreads, I'm surprised anyone trusts vaccines.

And he's a leftist too, so what does that tell you?

What you make, what you own, what you have is personal and your business; nobody else. You want people to make a living wage for doing menial work? Then start your own company, pay a living wage, and see how many months before you are out of business going against your competitors. Nobody will buy your product or service when it's twice as much as similar products or services. It's why most of our stuff is made in China.

Actually, the US is still the world's third largest manufacturer, only outclassed by the EU and China, with have a lot more people. Most of what you consume is made here...

There's no reason to not give working people a living wage, and frankly, we were more prosperous when we had unions and high taxes on the rich.

People get paid based on what other people are willing to work for whether you're screwing bolts onto nuts or you are a big time CEO. You are not forced to apply for a job, forced to accept the job, or forced to have a job at all. You can work for yourself if you think you are being underpaid and see how easy it is.

Again, for those playing along at home, Ray is on welfare living in a slum. The voice of success.

They can find workers if we didn't have Communists running this country because we Republicans with ten times the common sense than Democrats know that if you pay people not to work, they won't. As the great one once said, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem.

Again - aren't you the one who gets on here and says you'd rather be collecting welfare (disability) than taking a job that pays less than that?

Sounds like you are projecting, Ray. Just because youhave no work ethic, doesn't mean other people don't.
 

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The only difference between the US and the UK is that they don't let every maniac who wants a gun have one. That's it. Oh, yeah, and they don't let people become so grindlying poor that crime seems like a good move.

So how about we do what the British do. Socialism and gun confiscation. Then the cops don't have an excuse to shoot poor people because they are scared.

Well if we really want to go the GB way, let's have a society of mainly white people. Then we won't need our guns so much now will we? People are poor by choice, not because it's inflicted on them. Most everybody in this country has a choice on income level, staying out of trouble with the law so you don't have a record preventing you from getting a good paying job, getting training so you are no longer a general worker and have a profession. Everybody has this option.

If you want socialism so badly, move to Cuba. They don't seem to like it very much anymore. In fact many of them always hated it.


The Doctor didn't live in their state. They could threaten his license, but they couldn't threaten him with jail. The real problem was, they engaged in a raid on this man's house and found a suburban family with a disabled person in it, and rather than just admit their fuck up, they went on a multi-year campaign to try to convict this man of something.

Your ignorance of the law is astounding. What do you mean they can't charge a doctor if he's out of state? Of course they can.

These people are staying home because they don't want to risk their lives for shit jobs. Come on, with all the vaccine misinformation your side regularly spreads, I'm surprised anyone trusts vaccines.

If they got the vaccine they aren't risking anything now are they?

Actually, the US is still the world's third largest manufacturer, only outclassed by the EU and China, with have a lot more people. Most of what you consume is made here...

There's no reason to not give working people a living wage, and frankly, we were more prosperous when we had unions and high taxes on the rich.

Yes there is a reason, and that reason is paying a living wage (whatever the fuck a living wage is) would put a company out of business. Like I said, nobody is going to buy your product when it's 50% higher than your competitors. And no, most of our products are not made here, they are made overseas. What do you think Walmart sells, American made goods?

Again, for those playing along at home, Ray is on welfare living in a slum. The voice of success.

I did fine and not on welfare. It's just you don't posses the intelligence to know the difference. I told you, that's what OCD does to you, especially when you let it go on your entire life.

Again - aren't you the one who gets on here and says you'd rather be collecting welfare (disability) than taking a job that pays less than that?

Sounds like you are projecting, Ray. Just because youhave no work ethic, doesn't mean other people don't.

I don't know how many times I need to explain this to your ignorant ass. It was not my choice to be put out of a career, that was governments choice. If they gave me back my career tomorrow, my sick ass would be looking for a job on Monday since my last company is closing it's doors at the end of the month. Two, nobody is going to pay anything but minimum wage or slightly above to a 61 year old with a lot of medical problems with no experience at anything except for what he did for a living. Most wouldn't even consider it. Three, I worked all of my life. I'm retired now because I worked for it via our social programs I was forced to support my entire working life. It's not like I'm 35 years old, can learn a new trade, and get hired as a rookie in a brand new career. I'm sure you'd stick up for those people like you are sticking up for the young and healthy that are sitting home on unemployment today. But you leftists are born hypocrites.
 

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Well if we really want to go the GB way, let's have a society of mainly white people. Then we won't need our guns so much now will we? People are poor by choice, not because it's inflicted on them. Most everybody in this country has a choice on income level, staying out of trouble with the law so you don't have a record preventing you from getting a good paying job, getting training so you are no longer a general worker and have a profession. Everybody has this option.
The UK has a lot of non-whites, buddy. That's what happens when you have an empire and you import people to do the shitty work.

They just don't have guns. and they don't let them starve. And they treat addiction like a medical problem instead of a criminal one.

Guy, just because you made poor choices despite having all the advantages of being white, it's kind of laughable for you to claim 400 years of institutionalized racism hasn't had an effect.


Your ignorance of the law is astounding. What do you mean they can't charge a doctor if he's out of state? Of course they can.
Uh, no, they can't. They could charge him, I guess, but that only applies if PA was willing to extradite him. Which they wouldn't over something so petty.

If they got the vaccine they aren't risking anything now are they?
Other than all you guys telling them the vaccines don't work.

Yes there is a reason, and that reason is paying a living wage (whatever the fuck a living wage is) would put a company out of business. Like I said, nobody is going to buy your product when it's 50% higher than your competitors. And no, most of our products are not made here, they are made overseas. What do you think Walmart sells, American made goods?
They sell a little of both, but that's kind of not the point. The reality is, manufacturing didn't disappear, they just replaced people with machines. Still no reason why we can't make sure people who are doing the new jobs shouldn't get a living wage.

The reality is, we just told all those people that were working for less than a living wage that they are essential, and started demanding they go back to work. The dynamic has changed buddy.


I did fine and not on welfare. It's just you don't posses the intelligence to know the difference. I told you, that's what OCD does to you, especially when you let it go on your entire life.

Overly Comic Demeanor? Sorry, man, just because your welfare check has a nicer name, doesn't make it any less welfare.

I don't know how many times I need to explain this to your ignorant ass. It was not my choice to be put out of a career, that was governments choice.

We aren't talking about your career. We are talking about your willingness to work at all. You aren't blind, you aren't in a wheelchair. You just refuse to do work you consider to be beneath you as long as the government is writing you a check.

And yet here you are complaining about people doing THE EXACT SAME THING YOU ARE!!!
 

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The UK has a lot of non-whites, buddy. That's what happens when you have an empire and you import people to do the shitty work.

They just don't have guns. and they don't let them starve. And they treat addiction like a medical problem instead of a criminal one.

Guy, just because you made poor choices despite having all the advantages of being white, it's kind of laughable for you to claim 400 years of institutionalized racism hasn't had an effect.

Sure it had an effect--on those people it affected. But the truth of the matter is there are very few of them alive today. Excuses are like assholes, everybody has one. The real problem is the Democrat party brainwashes some black people into believing that none of them can be successful without Democrats giving them a handout; they have no ability to take care of themselves; they aren't even smart enough to get an ID. Democrats have treated blacks like the kids on the short bus for generations.

The United Kingdom's population is predominantly White British. The United Kingdom's has historically been populated by invasions and occupation (including Roman occupation for several centuries) and migrations from the European continent, especially from Scandinavia. British people were therefore thought to be descended mainly from the different ethnic stocks that settled there before the 11th century: pre-Celtic, Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Viking, and Norman. Modern genetic testing has revealed the complexity of the British gene pool; recent studies have suggested that the prehistoric Bell Beaker influx and the Anglo-Saxon migrations have had most effects on the genetic makeup of modern Britons.[7][8][9][

Uh, no, they can't. They could charge him, I guess, but that only applies if PA was willing to extradite him. Which they wouldn't over something so petty.

Prescription abuse by a doctor is petty?

Other than all you guys telling them the vaccines don't work.

More bullshit. They don't have to listen to anybody on the right or left. It's a personal decision.

They sell a little of both, but that's kind of not the point. The reality is, manufacturing didn't disappear, they just replaced people with machines. Still no reason why we can't make sure people who are doing the new jobs shouldn't get a living wage.

The reality is, we just told all those people that were working for less than a living wage that they are essential, and started demanding they go back to work. The dynamic has changed buddy.

Yes it is changing thanks to the commies. 2 million more illegals expected to be in this country by the end of the year. They will take jobs Americans should have and reduce the pay scale even more for us. Because the blacks closed down most all of our stores, I rely on Amazon. Try ordering from Amazon and look at where most all of their items are made. In China.
So there is a legit reason we don't pay people more than what they're worth, and that is we could never compete against foreign products.

Overly Comic Demeanor? Sorry, man, just because your welfare check has a nicer name, doesn't make it any less welfare.

When you learn what welfare actually is, then talk. But apparently you have no idea what it actually is. If you are ever man enough to see a shrink, perhaps he or she will explain it to you.

We aren't talking about your career. We are talking about your willingness to work at all. You aren't blind, you aren't in a wheelchair. You just refuse to do work you consider to be beneath you as long as the government is writing you a check.

And yet here you are complaining about people doing THE EXACT SAME THING YOU ARE!!!

I am not doing the exact same thing as them because when I was younger and healthy, I always worked. I collected unemployment one time in my life for about four months, and the only reason I did is because I was pissed at the owner who wasn't man enough to tell unemployment why I was actually out of work. I stayed on it because I knew it would increase his unemployment insurance.

You are sticking up for those young and healthy workers making every excuse in the book why your commie leaders are doing the right thing, and cutting me down because I'm old and have a lot of medical problems which would make me gaining employment almost impossible of not totally impossible. Oh, but I can do something! Sure, if I want to lose everything I worked for my entire life like my home and real estate investments, not being able to purchase life sustaining medication, maybe die in the street because it would make OCD Joe happy. But I'm not a leftists like you are. I'm not stupid.
 

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Sure it had an effect--on those people it affected. But the truth of the matter is there are very few of them alive today. Excuses are like assholes, everybody has one. The real problem is the Democrat party brainwashes some black people into believing that none of them can be successful without Democrats giving them a handout; they have no ability to take care of themselves; they aren't even smart enough to get an ID. Democrats have treated blacks like the kids on the short bus for generations.

I agree, if excuses were like assholes, you would be a proctologist's nightmare. You always have an excuse about why YOU are on welfare, and why YOU haven't fixed the things wrong in your life. Oh, I'm old. Oh, I'm sick. Oh, I can't get a different job, give me my welfare check.

But people who have faced racism and adversity for generations, AND STILL DO, nope, they don't get a pass.


Prescription abuse by a doctor is petty?

For extradition, yup.

More bullshit. They don't have to listen to anybody on the right or left. It's a personal decision.

A personal decision that's killing people. But, hey, kids, risk you life for minimum wage!

Yes it is changing thanks to the commies. 2 million more illegals expected to be in this country by the end of the year. They will take jobs Americans should have and reduce the pay scale even more for us. Because the blacks closed down most all of our stores, I rely on Amazon. Try ordering from Amazon and look at where most all of their items are made. In China.
So there is a legit reason we don't pay people more than what they're worth, and that is we could never compete against foreign products.
2 million undocumented workers aren't going to bring down the wage scales. If you are losing out on a job to someone with no connections, no money and a limited grasp on English, that's on you, man.

When you learn what welfare actually is, then talk. But apparently you have no idea what it actually is. If you are ever man enough to see a shrink, perhaps he or she will explain it to you.

You are being paid to stay home and not work because you got an owie on your back.
They are being paid to stay home because they can't find a job that was as good as the one they had.
Your HUD neighbors are being paid because they don't make enough money to rent a house.

It's all welfare, buddy.


I am not doing the exact same thing as them because when I was younger and healthy, I always worked. I collected unemployment one time in my life for about four months, and the only reason I did is because I was pissed at the owner who wasn't man enough to tell unemployment why I was actually out of work. I stayed on it because I knew it would increase his unemployment insurance.
Wow... that sounds.... petty. So you gamed the system. Good for you man.

Don't come whining to me about other people gaming the system.

Now, all that said, unemployment insurance has long lost it's original purpose. Used to be, in the good old days when we had unions and a middle class, when there were layoffs, it was expected that those people would be recalled when things got better. Hence why it was called "Unemployment Insurance". The company had invested a lot of money in your training and development, and the last thing they wanted was you taking a job out of desperation.

Sadly, the One Percenters, being, you know, evil, realized that recessions were a great tool for grinding down the middle class. This is why they are so hopping mad about enhanced benefits. They know they can't just hire someone for cheaper now. You want me to come out and work for your "essential" job, you better pay me.


You are sticking up for those young and healthy workers making every excuse in the book why your commie leaders are doing the right thing, and cutting me down because I'm old and have a lot of medical problems which would make me gaining employment almost impossible of not totally impossible. Oh, but I can do something! Sure, if I want to lose everything I worked for my entire life like my home and real estate investments, not being able to purchase life sustaining medication, maybe die in the street because it would make OCD Joe happy. But I'm not a leftists like you are. I'm not stupid.

See, Ray, you've got enough assholes... er, excuses to make a proctologist cry. You have excuses. The black folks have excuses, the working young have excuses.

You want the world to have all this compassion for your situation, but man, you seem to lack it for anyone else.
 

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Joeb you are a fucking stupid ass. Fuck off and crawl under that rock you live under.
 

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I agree, if excuses were like assholes, you would be a proctologist's nightmare. You always have an excuse about why YOU are on welfare, and why YOU haven't fixed the things wrong in your life. Oh, I'm old. Oh, I'm sick. Oh, I can't get a different job, give me my welfare check.

But people who have faced racism and adversity for generations, AND STILL DO, nope, they don't get a pass.

Nope. I went to school and blacks did the same. I got minimum wage jobs until I had a good work history to make better money at other jobs, and blacks can do the same. I never had children mostly for the expense, and black people can do the same. I had the opportunity to go to college, and black people had the same. I decided to secure a career in professional transportation, and any black could do the same. I invested my money in real estate, and any black could do the same. I stayed away from hard drugs, and blacks could have done the same. I never got in trouble with the law, and blacks could do the same.

So you're FOS as always. Blacks are not facing generational racism and haven't the last several decades, because most blacks did much or all of the things I listed above. As for excuses, what's yours for not getting the psychological help you so badly need for the problems you display every day on this forum?

A personal decision that's killing people. But, hey, kids, risk you life for minimum wage!

There is very little evidence that the vaccine is killing people. The CDC recognizes J&J vaccine as the only one that could be responsible for killing 3 people out of our 150 million that have been totally vaccinated.

2 million undocumented workers aren't going to bring down the wage scales. If you are losing out on a job to someone with no connections, no money and a limited grasp on English, that's on you, man.

Yes they do bring down wages. You don't know this living up north but people closer to the border will tell you that's the case. They work for nothing and put 8 people in a two bedroom apartment or house. Americans don't want to live that way.

You are being paid to stay home and not work because you got an owie on your back.
They are being paid to stay home because they can't find a job that was as good as the one they had.
Your HUD neighbors are being paid because they don't make enough money to rent a house.

It's all welfare, buddy.

They can't afford a home because they started having kids at the age of 16 and because of that, never got into any training for a real job. A government doctor doesn't end a career because a person has a sore back. It's not even part of the physical. But as always, you're a moron that thinks he knows more than a team of government doctors whether I could work or not. Well......anybody with an IQ over 40 would trust those doctors than an internet troll any day of the week.

Wow... that sounds.... petty. So you gamed the system. Good for you man.

Don't come whining to me about other people gaming the system.

Now, all that said, unemployment insurance has long lost it's original purpose. Used to be, in the good old days when we had unions and a middle class, when there were layoffs, it was expected that those people would be recalled when things got better. Hence why it was called "Unemployment Insurance". The company had invested a lot of money in your training and development, and the last thing they wanted was you taking a job out of desperation.

Sadly, the One Percenters, being, you know, evil, realized that recessions were a great tool for grinding down the middle class. This is why they are so hopping mad about enhanced benefits. They know they can't just hire someone for cheaper now. You want me to come out and work for your "essential" job, you better pay me.

The commies want people staying home because it buys them votes and makes people more dependent on them. That's why they're doing it.

See, Ray, you've got enough assholes... er, excuses to make a proctologist cry. You have excuses. The black folks have excuses, the working young have excuses.

You want the world to have all this compassion for your situation, but man, you seem to lack it for anyone else.

I don't want compassion from anybody. I'm not out of work because I've been brainwashed to believe I can't work because of the color of my skin. I'm not out of work because I'm young and healthy. I'm out of work because the government put me out of my career due to serious multiple medical conditions just before retirement and there's not much else I can do about it. I worked all my life, paid into the system all of my life, and I deserve to have some of that money coming back to me now that I'm older and can't work. It's just that you think young and healthy people have more of a reason not to work than sickly elderly people because you possess little intelligence and your OCD that you refuse to get help for.
 

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Nope. I went to school and blacks did the same. I got minimum wage jobs until I had a good work history to make better money at other jobs, and blacks can do the same. I never had children mostly for the expense, and black people can do the same. I had the opportunity to go to college, and black people had the same. I decided to secure a career in professional transportation, and any black could do the same. I invested my money in real estate, and any black could do the same. I stayed away from hard drugs, and blacks could have done the same. I never got in trouble with the law, and blacks could do the same.

CHeck your privilege, buddy. Let's take real estate. You were able to get a home loan. The banks for years have discriminated against people of color and still do.

Never got in trouble with the law...um. Okay. I mean, it's nice that the cops don't regularly hassle you because you are...you know.. white.


So you're FOS as always. Blacks are not facing generational racism and haven't the last several decades, because most blacks did much or all of the things I listed above. As for excuses, what's yours for not getting the psychological help you so badly need for the problems you display every day on this forum?

I'm fantastically well adjusted and not living off the government like you are... so there's that.

But, uh, yeah, when this like THIS still goes on, there's generational racism.

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There is very little evidence that the vaccine is killing people. The CDC recognizes J&J vaccine as the only one that could be responsible for killing 3 people out of our 150 million that have been totally vaccinated.

Don't talk to me. Talk to all your fellow right wingers like SweetSue92 who are cluttering this board with anti-vax nonsense. Talk to the personalities on Faux News...

Me, I'm not worried about the virus, but I can see why people would be given all the misinformation out there.

Yes they do bring down wages. You don't know this living up north but people closer to the border will tell you that's the case. They work for nothing and put 8 people in a two bedroom apartment or house. Americans don't want to live that way.

Oh, so here's the thing. Americans also don't want to do the shitty jobs they are doing. They don't want to pick vegetables or work in a sweatshop or a meat processing plant covered in chicken shit and guts.


They can't afford a home because they started having kids at the age of 16 and because of that, never got into any training for a real job. A government doctor doesn't end a career because a person has a sore back. It's not even part of the physical. But as always, you're a moron that thinks he knows more than a team of government doctors whether I could work or not. Well......anybody with an IQ over 40 would trust those doctors than an internet troll any day of the week.

Guy, you keep telling contradictory stories. Either you are on Death's Door or you are someone who was unfairly fired by a government bureaucrat who never examined you, depending on where you want to make your excuse.

The commies want people staying home because it buys them votes and makes people more dependent on them. That's why they're doing it.
And the one percenters keep playing into their hands by finding new ways to screw the working class.

I mean, look, I know you can collect from the government and still hate the government, but when people work 40 hours a week and still need food stamps and Section 8, they are going to love their government more than their employer.


I don't want compassion from anybody. I'm not out of work because I've been brainwashed to believe I can't work because of the color of my skin. I'm not out of work because I'm young and healthy. I'm out of work because the government put me out of my career due to serious multiple medical conditions just before retirement and there's not much else I can do about it. I worked all my life, paid into the system all of my life, and I deserve to have some of that money coming back to me now that I'm older and can't work. It's just that you think young and healthy people have more of a reason not to work than sickly elderly people because you possess little intelligence and your OCD that you refuse to get help for.

So wow. you have a sense of "Entitlement".

What do you call a Male Karen?

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Here's the thing, you've been telling people in the service industry they aren't worthy of a living wage for years. But now you are surprised they are in no hurry to endanger their lives doing jobs you have already told them have no merit?

Really?
 

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Yes, I am sure that a selfish person like yourself would be totally unable to understand why an organization would want to better people's living conditions. When you get right down to it, Conservatism is an excuse for selfishness.

Oh for Christ's sake. The usual JoeB/liberal tactic of turning every generic topic into a moral issue. What the fuck does this have to do with politics?
The GOP motto is "I've got mine, fuck you."

When you chose to join a union you did it for you, not for the benefit of others. And if you decide to leave the union, it will have zero effect on other members. Don't give me that shit.
Try to follow your own conversation. You claimed I was angry that Bezos can do things I can't. Nothing of the sort.

You said: "I couldn't imagine just barely getting into space as being much fun. I don't even like flying on airplanes."

Your opinion as to how much fun it might be is irrelevant. Obviously Bezos and Branson thought it was fun. Given this fact, I don't know what you expect me to do with your opinion on the matter.
I'm angry he's flying around on a giant space dick while his workers can't even get decent health coverage.

I thought Obamacare was supposed to remedy this. And how do you know they don't have decent health coverage?
Again, we didn't have these attacks until the Orange Goon started blaming them for Covid.

First of all, he didn't blame Asian Americans for Covid, he blamed the Chinese. Secondly, these people attacking elderly Asian Americans have a choice not to do so, just as Brown had the choice not to attack an officer. Thirdly, most blacks couldn't stand Trump to begin with so it makes no sense that they would suddenly go out and beat up elderly people at his behest.
I think a lot of these black officers who aren't reporting the misconduct by their white counterparts really are part of the problem. Again, I actually do think 99% of cops are good guys... but they cover for the 1% who aren't.

Irrelevant. We're talking about the black crime rate, not corrupt white cops. Besides, you have no idea whether or not this particular officer (niece's husband) is underreporting incidents by white officers so there's no reason to bring it up.
No, it just shows that white people are treated better by the system.

You dumbass. The stats only show actual violent crime numbers by race. It does not show the court cases or the manner of prosecution in these cases.
But it's funny, those never seem to be the people who get shot. The people who get shot are the jaywalkers, the traffic violators, and the shoplifters...

The people who get shot are the ones who become belligerent and resist officers or refuse to comply with commands.
Again, put me in a court, I see 14 witnesses telling me the same story, and 1 cop telling me a dubious story about why he had to shoot an unarmed, wounded, barefoot kid, and I can tell you exactly who was giving you false testimony. But we know you are invested in the murder of this black child.

Irrelevant. You're avoiding addressing the FACT that some lied by trying to divert attention to Wilson and your OPINION that the shooting was not justified. The justification of the shooting of Brown is immaterial to witnesses lying about details.

It is a known fact that some witnesses lied and it is a known and documented fact that some recanted and admitted to lying. So given this, do you think it was right or justified that these people lied? Do you think it is right for investigators to give equal consideration to testimony that Wilson shot Brown in the back when Brown had no bullet wounds in his back? In short, again, is giving false testimony the right way to bring officers to account?
Without going through your list, what people didn't see or what they thought they saw doesn't take away from the fact most of them saw Brown with his hands up. But we know you are invested in the murder of this black child.

People gave false testimony and this is a fact. They did so whether I'm invested in the "murder of a black child" or not. Their false testimony had nothing to do with my thoughts on the matter. You're trying to make this about me but I'm not the one who lied.
But we know you are invested in the murder of this black child.

Irrelevant. The choices were Brown's, not mine.
Brown made a bunch of bad choices... but at the end of the day, Wilson was the one who escalated a mere jaywalking to a dead child lying in the street.

So Wilson escalated the incident when Brown attacked him and tried to take his gun?
The good news. He's the last one.

If you mean that Brown is the last one to make stupid choices like attacking an officer and threatening him, I certainly hope you're right.
 

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CHeck your privilege, buddy. Let's take real estate. You were able to get a home loan. The banks for years have discriminated against people of color and still do.

Never got in trouble with the law...um. Okay. I mean, it's nice that the cops don't regularly hassle you because you are...you know.. white.

There hasn't been discrimination in housing for decades. It's against the law to discriminate based on race, gender or religion. The bank could care less what color you are, all they care about is getting their money back with interest. The problem was blacks had too poor of credit and income to buy houses, not the color of their skin. When they reduced qualifications to purchasing a home so non-credit worthy blacks could buy houses too, it led to the housing collapse.

I'm fantastically well adjusted and not living off the government like you are... so there's that.

But, uh, yeah, when this like THIS still goes on, there's generational racism.

There isn't one person here that thinks you're well adjusted including me. You keep bringing up my situation in nearly every post for over a year and a half now. That's not well adjusted at all, that's abnormal. No normal person is so obsessed with the situation of another like you are. And that goes the same with your phony racism claims when race was not even part of the discussion. Obsession. Anybody that holds an opposite political view of yours you call racist. I'm sorry, but that's severely abnormal.

Don't talk to me. Talk to all your fellow right wingers like @SweetSue92 who are cluttering this board with anti-vax nonsense. Talk to the personalities on Faux News...

Me, I'm not worried about the virus, but I can see why people would be given all the misinformation out there.

Quit changing the subject. Point is anybody that's using the virus as an excuse not to work (which I'm sure you can count on one hand) can easily remedy their concerns by getting a shot whether they like it or not.

Oh, so here's the thing. Americans also don't want to do the shitty jobs they are doing. They don't want to pick vegetables or work in a sweatshop or a meat processing plant covered in chicken shit and guts.

Those are only a handful of jobs illegals take. They work in restaurants, bars, construction. My city is trying to hassle the owner of the HUD property next door to me so he'd sell out since this foreigner is such a problem here. They made him replace two roofs that must have cost him an arm and a leg. That's on top of all the damage his HUD tenants did to the place. In any case, it was a bunch of illegals that came out to do the job. Those are jobs American roofers should have been doing.

Guy, you keep telling contradictory stories. Either you are on Death's Door or you are someone who was unfairly fired by a government bureaucrat who never examined you, depending on where you want to make your excuse.

It has nothing to do with being on deaths door. I gave you the government link, but you choose to remain ignorant about what disability is for. The bureaucrats kept making it harder and harder for people like me to work until they wrote laws so ridiculous to the point I could no longer work. That's what happened, there is nothing I could do about it, and that's why I'm on disability today. Try educating yourself if you wish to discuss a topic.

And the one percenters keep playing into their hands by finding new ways to screw the working class.

I mean, look, I know you can collect from the government and still hate the government, but when people work 40 hours a week and still need food stamps and Section 8, they are going to love their government more than their employer.

Yep, and that's exactly what the commies want.

So wow. you have a sense of "Entitlement".

What do you call a Male Karen?

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Here's the thing, you've been telling people in the service industry they aren't worthy of a living wage for years. But now you are surprised they are in no hurry to endanger their lives doing jobs you have already told them have no merit?

Really?

So what American is confined to working in the service industry? You don't have to do that. My former profession needs tens of thousands of drivers, and some of those jobs pay very well. They can't find these people. Now that these Americans are sitting on their ass eating Doritos in front of the big screen, how many of these young healthy people are enrolled in truck driving school? How about carpentry, bricklaying, HVAC, plumbing? I'd be willing to bet very few. I was talking to my father yesterday. He said his former union is offering anybody $500.00 if they can get young people to join the bricklayers union and learn the trade. It's hard work, but it pays over $50.00 an hour, and they are begging people to come in and give it a chance. No degree needed. The union will provide free education. They can't find the people.

Unskilled workers choose these low wage jobs because they are usually on dope and can't get a good paying job being unable to pass a drug test, or are just plain lazy and don't want to take on any responsibility in life. But it's a choice they make, not the one-percenters, not government, not the low wage employers.
 

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Oh for Christ's sake. The usual JoeB/liberal tactic of turning every generic topic into a moral issue. What the fuck does this have to do with politics?

Um, everything. The GOP has been waging war on the working class since Tricky Dick.

When you chose to join a union you did it for you, not for the benefit of others. And if you decide to leave the union, it will have zero effect on other members. Don't give me that shit.

Actually, the unions are what gave us the middle class. I've never belonged to one, but I see their value in creating workers rights for even non-members.

Your opinion as to how much fun it might be is irrelevant. Obviously Bezos and Branson thought it was fun. Given this fact, I don't know what you expect me to do with your opinion on the matter.
The fact they think that flying a dick into space while screwing the working Peon's is fun, says a lot about them.

Just waiting for the Guilotines to make a comeback.

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I thought Obamacare was supposed to remedy this. And how do you know they don't have decent health coverage?
No a remedy would be universal health care. Not some guy flying a giant space dick while his employees have bare min. coverage.

First of all, he didn't blame Asian Americans for Covid, he blamed the Chinese.
You really think that the average drooling MAGA redneck knows the difference between a Chinese or a Filipino?


Irrelevant. We're talking about the black crime rate, not corrupt white cops. Besides, you have no idea whether or not this particular officer (niece's husband) is underreporting incidents by white officers so there's no reason to bring it up.
You are right. Have him get on here and I'll discuss the issue with him, not how you are characterizing it. What I often find is that when you have a bigoted uncle over for thanksgiving, you usually don't provoke him by pointing out his bigotry.

You dumbass. The stats only show actual violent crime numbers by race. It does not show the court cases or the manner of prosecution in these cases.
Again, Dr. Geobeels thanks you for your Criminal Jew Report.

The people who get shot are the ones who become belligerent and resist officers or refuse to comply with commands.
Do I need to go over the list again? Botham Jean? Laquan McDonald? Tamir Rice? Breonna Taylor?

Irrelevant. You're avoiding addressing the FACT that some lied by trying to divert attention to Wilson and your OPINION that the shooting was not justified. The justification of the shooting of Brown is immaterial to witnesses lying about details.
Only liar I see here is you and Wilson.


It is a known fact that some witnesses lied and it is a known and documented fact that some recanted and admitted to lying. So given this, do you think it was right or justified that these people lied? Do you think it is right for investigators to give equal consideration to testimony that Wilson shot Brown in the back when Brown had no bullet wounds in his back? In short, again, is giving false testimony the right way to bring officers to account?
No, it's not a known fact. Some people were mistaken about what they might have seen as to where he was hit, when they saw this child's chest explode after he was hit with SIX MORE BULLETS. That's not even at issue here.

The problem was, the investigators went in with the attitude of "How do we clear this officer?" That's the problem with ALL of these investigations. Unless you outright fucking catch them on tape murdering people, the other cops will cover.

Going back to my favorite case, Laquan McDonald- They said he was only shot once and he was charging the officer. Then the tape came out- (The one they hadn't managed to erase, because mysteriously. all the cameras from the other 8 police cars and the two surrounding buildings disappeared). showed he was shot sixteen times when he was moving away or on the ground when hit with SIXTEEN BULLETS.

Cops lie. Period.


People gave false testimony and this is a fact. They did so whether I'm invested in the "murder of a black child" or not. Their false testimony had nothing to do with my thoughts on the matter. You're trying to make this about me but I'm not the one who lied.

Actually, the only guy who lied was Wilson. No one called him on it. But we know youare invested in the murder of this black child.

Irrelevant. The choices were Brown's, not mine.
But we know youare invested in the murder of this black child.
So Wilson escalated the incident when Brown attacked him and tried to take his gun?
But we know you are invested in the murder of this black child.
If you mean that Brown is the last one to make stupid choices like attacking an officer and threatening him, I certainly hope you're right.

Nope, the days of cops murdering children in the street are done. Unless you want more riots.
 

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There hasn't been discrimination in housing for decades.

Jesus Christ on a Pogo Stick, why do you even say this shit?




There isn't one person here that thinks you're well adjusted including me. You keep bringing up my situation in nearly every post for over a year and a half now. That's not well adjusted at all, that's abnormal. No normal person is so obsessed with the situation of another like you are. And that goes the same with your phony racism claims when race was not even part of the discussion. Obsession. Anybody that holds an opposite political view of yours you call racist. I'm sorry, but that's severely abnormal.
Naw, man, pointing out your hypocrisy and racism NEVER GETS OLD.

You wouldn't want to live in teh world you would inflict on the rest of us. That's what makes it so funny.


Quit changing the subject. Point is anybody that's using the virus as an excuse not to work (which I'm sure you can count on one hand) can easily remedy their concerns by getting a shot whether they like it or not.

So you've interviewed everyone who has refused to go back to work and found out their reasoning, then? You know, maybe some of these folks just realized they plain old didn't like waiting on tables or sweeping floors for minimum wage.


Those are only a handful of jobs illegals take. They work in restaurants, bars, construction. My city is trying to hassle the owner of the HUD property next door to me so he'd sell out since this foreigner is such a problem here. They made him replace two roofs that must have cost him an arm and a leg. That's on top of all the damage his HUD tenants did to the place. In any case, it was a bunch of illegals that came out to do the job. Those are jobs American roofers should have been doing.
I'm sure he found a bunch of guys hanging outside the home depot. You could do the same thing, but instead you'll complain about how the legitimate companies have put you on the "don't give a shit list".


It has nothing to do with being on deaths door. I gave you the government link, but you choose to remain ignorant about what disability is for. The bureaucrats kept making it harder and harder for people like me to work until they wrote laws so ridiculous to the point I could no longer work. That's what happened, there is nothing I could do about it, and that's why I'm on disability today. Try educating yourself if you wish to discuss a topic.

Yes, we got it, you gamed the system.
So did the guy not going back to his dishwashing job.
So did your HUD neighbors.

So what American is confined to working in the service industry? You don't have to do that. My former profession needs tens of thousands of drivers, and some of those jobs pay very well.

Yet you were never able to find a job that even provided health insurance. Oh, wait, am I obsessing because I keep pointing out your life of FAIL?

Here's the secret of success in life. You get up one more time than they knock you down.

Now that these Americans are sitting on their ass eating Doritos in front of the big screen, how many of these young healthy people are enrolled in truck driving school?

Why should they want to?

Unskilled workers choose these low wage jobs because they are usually on dope and can't get a good paying job being unable to pass a drug test, or are just plain lazy and don't want to take on any responsibility in life. But it's a choice they make, not the one-percenters, not government, not the low wage employers.

Um, frankly, I don't know one person who is "on drugs". And I deal with hundreds of job seekers every year.

I've seen people with Ph.D.'s not able to get good paying jobs. They often get listed as "overqualified".

During the last recession, we've had airline pilots selling blood plasma and adjunct professors on food stamps.
Please don't give me this capitalism works if you let it... it clearly doesn't work for you, Welfare Ray.
 

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Um, everything. The GOP has been waging war on the working class since Tricky Dick.

Unions were around long before Nixon came along.

Actually, the unions are what gave us the middle class. I've never belonged to one, but I see their value in creating workers rights for even non-members.

Irrelevant. My distrust of unions still has no bearing on the lifestyles or careers of union members.
The fact they think that flying a dick into space while screwing the working Peon's is fun, says a lot about them.

Just waiting for the Guilotines to make a comeback.

But you don't hate the rich.
No a remedy would be universal health care. Not some guy flying a giant space dick while his employees have bare min. coverage.

What is this fixation you have on this ship looking like a dick?
You really think that the average drooling MAGA redneck knows the difference between a Chinese or a Filipino?

Do you think the average drooling black thug knows the difference? They're the ones committing most of the assaults after all.

And do you not see the irony in people who view Trump as racist going out and committing racist acts at the behest of that same racist they hate?

Man, you are colossally stupid.
You are right. Have him get on here and I'll discuss the issue with him, not how you are characterizing it.

"Characterizing it"? I didn't "characterize" or interpret anything, this is exactly what he said: The majority of the calls they get involve blacks.
What I often find is that when you have a bigoted uncle over for thanksgiving, you usually don't provoke him by pointing out his bigotry.

What you "often find"? Irrelevant and uninformed. You have no fucking clue about the dynamic between me and him or between me and their black children so you can just stop your useless speculations before you start to believe it's the truth.

I am their childrens' favorite uncle because they both have told me this on numerous occasions. In fact, when I mention that some twerp like you calls me a racist, their daughter gets indignant and says "You're not racist!".

Fucking moron.
Again, Dr. Geobeels thanks you for your Criminal Jew Report.

Yeah, those numbers sting a little bit, don't they?
Do I need to go over the list again? Botham Jean? Laquan McDonald? Tamir Rice? Breonna Taylor?

Do you expect me to give your list any consideration when you refused to look at mine?
Only liar I see here is you and Wilson.

Oh? And what have I lied about?
No, it's not a known fact. Some people were mistaken about what they might have seen as to where he was hit, when they saw this child's chest explode after he was hit with SIX MORE BULLETS. That's not even at issue here.

The problem was, the investigators went in with the attitude of "How do we clear this officer?" That's the problem with ALL of these investigations. Unless you outright fucking catch them on tape murdering people, the other cops will cover.

Do you mean investigators with Obama's DOJ?
Going back to my favorite case, Laquan McDonald- They said he was only shot once and he was charging the officer. Then the tape came out- (The one they hadn't managed to erase, because mysteriously. all the cameras from the other 8 police cars and the two surrounding buildings disappeared). showed he was shot sixteen times when he was moving away or on the ground when hit with SIXTEEN BULLETS.

Cops lie. Period.

Too late. You've already said that most cops are good cops and now you're trying to make prevarication a part of the police officer's overall makeup and character. You can't have it both ways.

And yes, it is a known fact that some witnesses lied. It is well documented in OBAMA's DOJ Report.
Actually, the only guy who lied was Wilson.

Nope.
But we know youare invested in the murder of this black child.

If I am truly invested in the "murder" of Brown then Brown himself played right into my hands, didn't he? I couldn't have asked for a better return on my investment in the killing of black men by police than to have one do stupid shit like attack an officer for being asked to get on the sidewalk. If I invested real money in something like this, black men making idiotic decisions like this would make me rich and I could afford to take a dick-shaped rocket to the edge of space. And boy wouldn't that just piss YOU off?
But we know you are invested in the murder of this black child.

Answer the question: Brown attacked Wilson after being asked by Wilson to get on the sidewalk yet Wilson is the one who escalated the situation?
Nope, the days of cops murdering children in the street are done. Unless you want more riots.
Brown was legally an adult, dumbass.
 

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Jesus Christ on a Pogo Stick, why do you even say this shit?

Because it's 100% truth, and all the lying sites you post won't change that. I vowed not to read them because you do nothing but read the headlines and post them here, then I have to point out all the bullshit in them, such as your first post. It didn't give one instance of a qualified black being refused a home loan because he was black. It said there were over 28,000 complaints, but not one legitimate case. Remember that a lot of those blacks are just as ignorant as you are when it comes to matters like this, so they "assume" they didn't get the loan because of the color of their skin, just like you do. Forget their lower income, forget their bad or no credit rating, forget they couldn't come up with an acceptable down payment and closing costs. They must not have gotten the loan because they were black.

Naw, man, pointing out your hypocrisy and racism NEVER GETS OLD.

Of course it doesn't for people with your severe psychological disorders.

So you've interviewed everyone who has refused to go back to work and found out their reasoning, then? You know, maybe some of these folks just realized they plain old didn't like waiting on tables or sweeping floors for minimum wage.
Your claim is that they aren't going back because of the virus, so you must have interviewed each and every one?

Yes, we got it, you gamed the system.
So did the guy not going back to his dishwashing job.
So did your HUD neighbors.

The government didn't tell the HUD people or dishwasher they can't go back to their jobs. See the difference?

Yet you were never able to find a job that even provided health insurance. Oh, wait, am I obsessing because I keep pointing out your life of FAIL?

My last job provided us with insurance coverage for 20 years until the Kenyan clown screwed up our country. Then millions of us middle-class workers lost our employer sponsored coverage thanks to that commie.

Why should they want to?

Thank you for making my point. Correct, they don't want to. They don't want to lift a finger to make their labor more valuable than minimum wage or close to minimum wage. They don't want to make any effort into gaining a meaningful career where they don't have to worry about trying to survive pushing a broom for $9.00 an hour. They'd rather do those jobs and have taxpayers subsidize the rest because of their irresponsible actions, or cry to the commies to increase minimum wage. They don't want to give up the dope to find a better paying job. So thank you for agreeing with me the problem is not the employers, the problem is the individuals that make bad decisions or simply don't give a shit. They bring it on themselves.

Um, frankly, I don't know one person who is "on drugs". And I deal with hundreds of job seekers every year.

I've seen people with Ph.D.'s not able to get good paying jobs. They often get listed as "overqualified".

During the last recession, we've had airline pilots selling blood plasma and adjunct professors on food stamps.
Please don't give me this capitalism works if you let it... it clearly doesn't work for you, Welfare Ray.

Oh, so you don't know one person on drugs so that makes it not a problem Well guess what slick, I've dealt with many companies in my career. They have signs out on their lawns reading HELP WANTED, but can't find people to take the job in many cases because of drugs. Their workers told me of that problem all the time. My father told me that the only people that inquire about being a bricklayer are those on drugs, and he knows this because he still has to go down to union hall to discuss his retirement plan. In the very small company I worked for, two of our drivers were taken off the road because they failed a drug screening. The government suspends their medical card until they complete a rehab class which takes several weeks. If they get busted a second time, they lose their medical card. In fact that happened to one of my coworkers years ago. He couldn't give up the pot. The thing is, they knew this before they got their CDL as I did. Professional drivers must submit to random drug screening.
 

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Unions were around long before Nixon came along.

Exactly. That's how we got a MIDDLE CLASS. And WEEKENDS OFF. And "NOT HAVING CHILDREN GETTING MAIMED IN FACTORIES". We got that because of UNIONS, stupid. And there was even a point where Republicans GOT it, although it was just under Ike, but they got it for a second.

Then Trick Dick came along and started making war on the unions. Since then, the middle class has declined and a lot of us work on weekends now to make ends meet. It's only a matter of time before we go back to THIS...

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Those Dick Rockets aren't going to pay for themselves.


Irrelevant. My distrust of unions still has no bearing on the lifestyles or careers of union members.
You're babbling, buddy.


But you don't hate the rich.

Hey, frankly, I look at the reign of terror as Rich People being stupid. If that happens again, it's on them.

The riots last year were just as much about wealth inequality as they were about police brutality. Sensible people would take that as a warning and try to fix things.

What is this fixation you have on this ship looking like a dick?

It's so rare you have such a potent metaphor for what the rich are doing to the working class. When he tells Amazon's workers they paid for this, the fact it looks like a penis just makes it funnier.

Do you think the average drooling black thug knows the difference? They're the ones committing most of the assaults after all.

And do you not see the irony in people who view Trump as racist going out and committing racist acts at the behest of that same racist they hate?
You guys are the ones who created the hatred of Asians, not black people. Kung Flu. China Virus. That mentally unstable people (and yes, most of the attackers have a history of untreated mental illness) act on that should suprise no one.


"Characterizing it"? I didn't "characterize" or interpret anything, this is exactly what he said: The majority of the calls they get involve blacks.
No, that's what you said. I have no idea what he said.

What you "often find"? Irrelevant and uninformed. You have no fucking clue about the dynamic between me and him or between me and their black children so you can just stop your useless speculations before you start to believe it's the truth.
Given the racism you express here, every fucking day, up unto being invested in the murder of black children, I don't want to think about that "dynamic".


Yeah, those numbers sting a little bit, don't they?

Do you expect me to give your list any consideration when you refused to look at mine?
I know you are invested in the murder of black people.

Do you mean investigators with Obama's DOJ?
The same DOJ you guys have been telling us for the last four years is corrupt?

Too late. You've already said that most cops are good cops and now you're trying to make prevarication a part of the police officer's overall makeup and character. You can't have it both ways.
Sure I can. Most people lie. I usually approach most situations as I am being lied to and then I have to slowly peal away to get to the truth.

If I am truly invested in the "murder" of Brown then Brown himself played right into my hands, didn't he? I couldn't have asked for a better return on my investment in the killing of black men by police than to have one do stupid shit like attack an officer for being asked to get on the sidewalk. If I invested real money in something like this, black men making idiotic decisions like this would make me rich and I could afford to take a dick-shaped rocket to the edge of space. And boy wouldn't that just piss YOU off?
Wow, dude your wank fantasies are weird. But we know you are invested in the murder of this black child.

Answer the question: Brown attacked Wilson after being asked by Wilson to get on the sidewalk yet Wilson is the one who escalated the situation?
Wilson did. When he ran away, he chased him. But we know you are invested in the murder of this black child.

Answer the question: Brown attacked Wilson after being asked by Wilson to get on the sidewalk yet Wilson is the one who escalated the situation?
Wilson did. But we know you are invested in the murder of this black child.

Brown was legally an adult, dumbass.
But we know you are invested in the murder of this black child.
 

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Because it's 100% truth, and all the lying sites you post won't change that. I vowed not to read them because you do nothing but read the headlines and post them here, then I have to point out all the bullshit in them, such as your first post. It didn't give one instance of a qualified black being refused a home loan because he was black. It said there were over 28,000 complaints, but not one legitimate case.
Uh, you have 28K complaints, some of those cases are legitimate. in fact, most of them probably are.

Your claim is that they aren't going back because of the virus, so you must have interviewed each and every one?
Naw, I don't need to interview them. It's really not any of my business.

The government didn't tell the HUD people or dishwasher they can't go back to their jobs. See the difference?
They didn't tell you that you couldn't go back to any job, just not THAT job because you were a danger to yourself and others. And you knew that was coming for years.

My last job provided us with insurance coverage for 20 years until the Kenyan clown screwed up our country. Then millions of us middle-class workers lost our employer sponsored coverage thanks to that commie.

You just said in another post that your old employer is closing his doors next month. Tells me he was a bottom feeding company all along. But even the most bottom feeding company I ever worked for provided health coverage.

Thank you for making my point. Correct, they don't want to. They don't want to lift a finger to make their labor more valuable than minimum wage or close to minimum wage. They don't want to make any effort into gaining a meaningful career where they don't have to worry about trying to survive pushing a broom for $9.00 an hour. They'd rather do those jobs and have taxpayers subsidize the rest because of their irresponsible actions, or cry to the commies to increase minimum wage. They don't want to give up the dope to find a better paying job. So thank you for agreeing with me the problem is not the employers, the problem is the individuals that make bad decisions or simply don't give a shit. They bring it on themselves.
Actually, no, the problem is that EVERY JOB SHOULD PAY A LIVING WAGE, PERIOD. FULL FUCKING STOP.

I don't care if you think it's "unworthy", you get out of bed, you put in 40 hours washing dishes of sweeping floors, you should be able to go home at night and be able to put a roof over your head and food on the table. PERIOD. FULL STOP.

If you have more ambition, then sure, you should make a little more. But the important thing is you aren't doing menial work.

The ironic thing is, by letting government subsidize the workforces of big business you've created exactly the kind of socialism you say you hate. But you probalby don't think about this when you are cashing your disability check.


Oh, so you don't know one person on drugs so that makes it not a problem Well guess what slick, I've dealt with many companies in my career. They have signs out on their lawns reading HELP WANTED, but can't find people to take the job in many cases because of drugs. Their workers told me of that problem all the time.
Let me revise that statement. I've had a 30 year post military career. In that time, I only know of ONE person who didn't get a job because he peed hot on a drug test. And that was because he smoked pot, and we all knew he was a pot smoker, but he was friends with other people in the company, and at that point, they were hiring anyone. This was kind of the lowest point of my career, when I just got out of the service and Bush-1's recession had college educated people takign warehouse jobs.


My father told me that the only people that inquire about being a bricklayer are those on drugs, and he knows this because he still has to go down to union hall to discuss his retirement plan. In the very small company I worked for, two of our drivers were taken off the road because they failed a drug screening.

Hey, guy, if I lived in Cleveland, I'd want to do drugs, too. It's a fucking dystopian nightmare.
 

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Uh, you have 28K complaints, some of those cases are legitimate. in fact, most of them probably are.

If there were any legitimate ones the government would have stepped in with fines and forced them to make those loans. But they didn't. They had the ACLU, the NAACP, yet none of them tried to take action. Why do you suppose that is?

They didn't tell you that you couldn't go back to any job, just not THAT job because you were a danger to yourself and others. And you knew that was coming for years.

How did I know it was coming and how far away did I know it? And I asked you repeatedly where are these jobs that pay a decent wage they'd be willing to give to a 61 year old guy with no experience at anything? You had no answer because even you know you are FOS.

You just said in another post that your old employer is closing his doors next month. Tells me he was a bottom feeding company all along. But even the most bottom feeding company I ever worked for provided health coverage.

He did provide coverage until Commie Care started. In fact he stopped it the day it started. Many small businesses did the same. He's two years older than me and wants to retire. His kids don't want the business, and he can't sell it, so he's just closing his doors, leasing our old building out, and going to retire happily ever after.

Actually, no, the problem is that EVERY JOB SHOULD PAY A LIVING WAGE, PERIOD. FULL FUCKING STOP.

I don't care if you think it's "unworthy", you get out of bed, you put in 40 hours washing dishes of sweeping floors, you should be able to go home at night and be able to put a roof over your head and food on the table. PERIOD. FULL STOP.

If you have more ambition, then sure, you should make a little more. But the important thing is you aren't doing menial work.

The ironic thing is, by letting government subsidize the workforces of big business you've created exactly the kind of socialism you say you hate. But you probalby don't think about this when you are cashing your disability check.

Great. Now that the communists are in charge, tell them to stop it. When I was younger we didn't have these programs. The ones we did have didn't pay shit and were for only emergency situations--not as a supplement for bad decisions one made. But these dope heads do limit their own income so they can stay on these programs. Now, when I turned 18 and went to work, I could not support myself on minimum wage either. Nothing has changed between then and today. I had to be aggressive in order to make more money and move out of my parents house which I did by the time I was 20.

After a series of jobs, I finally ended up in transportation. Like a a lot of younger folks, I enjoyed my pot too, but my choices were to continue working lower wage jobs or give up the pot and get into a professional field of work.

Let me revise that statement. I've had a 30 year post military career. In that time, I only know of ONE person who didn't get a job because he peed hot on a drug test. And that was because he smoked pot, and we all knew he was a pot smoker, but he was friends with other people in the company, and at that point, they were hiring anyone. This was kind of the lowest point of my career, when I just got out of the service and Bush-1's recession had college educated people takign warehouse jobs.

Drug screening was not very common years ago and you know that. Today it's a requirement of just about any decent paying job. Their insurance companies require it for cheaper rates. My employer could care less if any of us smoked pot. In fact we used to talk about it. But it was a government requirement that he had drug screening of all his CDL drivers. He had little choice.


Hey, guy, if I lived in Cleveland, I'd want to do drugs, too. It's a fucking dystopian nightmare.

Well it's not just Cleveland, it's happening all across the country.
 

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Exactly. That's how we got a MIDDLE CLASS. And WEEKENDS OFF. And "NOT HAVING CHILDREN GETTING MAIMED IN FACTORIES". We got that because of UNIONS, stupid. And there was even a point where Republicans GOT it, although it was just under Ike, but they got it for a second.

Then Trick Dick came along and started making war on the unions. Since then, the middle class has declined and a lot of us work on weekends now to make ends meet. It's only a matter of time before we go back to THIS...

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Those Dick Rockets aren't going to pay for themselves.

You do remember me saying in the beginning that unions had their uses, right? You're acting like I said unions were never any good or effective. I never said or implied any such thing. They had their uses and did a lot toward the establishment of labor laws. I just don't trust them and I really don't think they're necessary anymore.

Beyond that, I'm an individualist by nature so I'm most often not inclined to join groups.
Hey, frankly, I look at the reign of terror as Rich People being stupid. If that happens again, it's on them.

The riots last year were just as much about wealth inequality as they were about police brutality. Sensible people would take that as a warning and try to fix things.

By "fixing things" you mean taking money from people who earned it and giving it to people who didn't.
You guys are the ones who created the hatred of Asians, not black people. Kung Flu. China Virus. That mentally unstable people (and yes, most of the attackers have a history of untreated mental illness) act on that should suprise no one.

Link.
No, that's what you said. I have no idea what he said.

I just told you what he said. I respect this man too much to put words in his mouth. But I understand that it is too painful for you to face the fact that a black police officer can acknowledge what you can't.
Given the racism you express here, every fucking day, up unto being invested in the murder of black children, I don't want to think about that "dynamic".

But you DID think about the dynamic. You imagine a dynamic where he thinks I'm the bigoted uncle at Thanksgiving but says nothing to keep the peace. I assure you, he does not see me that way.

You possess a one dimensional mind. So much so that all whites are either racist or prejudiced against people of other colors.

In case you missed that, they're the same thing. In other words, one dimensional.
The same DOJ you guys have been telling us for the last four years is corrupt?

Who's "you guys"? I never said the DOJ is/was corrupt.
Sure I can. Most people lie. I usually approach most situations as I am being lied to and then I have to slowly peal away to get to the truth.

"Peal" away? As in, ringing a bell to get to the truth?
Wow, dude your wank fantasies are weird. But we know you are invested in the murder of this black child.

You're the one saying I'm invested, not me. I'm just having a little fun with it to make a point. The point is, far too many black men are invested in their own destruction, to the point that I don't even need to be invested in the killing of them by officers.
Wilson did. When he ran away, he chased him. But we know you are invested in the murder of this black child.

Of course he chased him you fucking idiot. Officers are required as part of their job to apprehend punks that assault them or resist arrest.
But we know you are invested in the murder of this black child.

Irrelevant. Brown was still an adult. Calling him a "black child' doesn't change that.
 

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If there were any legitimate ones the government would have stepped in with fines and forced them to make those loans. But they didn't. They had the ACLU, the NAACP, yet none of them tried to take action. Why do you suppose that is?

Actually, they did.. but housing discrimination is still rampant in this country.


How did I know it was coming and how far away did I know it? And I asked you repeatedly where are these jobs that pay a decent wage they'd be willing to give to a 61 year old guy with no experience at anything? You had no answer because even you know you are FOS.
So, wow, 61 years and you never got any experience.... that kind of sucks. You really managed to fuck it up, didn't you. I mean, it's kind of pathetic. You totally deserve a bag of welfare money for the rest of your life.


He did provide coverage until Commie Care started. In fact he stopped it the day it started. Many small businesses did the same. He's two years older than me and wants to retire. His kids don't want the business, and he can't sell it, so he's just closing his doors, leasing our old building out, and going to retire happily ever after.
If he was any good at running his business, he'd have no problem selling it. If the coverage he provided wasn't meeting ACA standards, then it must have been pretty pathetic.

Great. Now that the communists are in charge, tell them to stop it. When I was younger we didn't have these programs. The ones we did have didn't pay shit and were for only emergency situations--not as a supplement for bad decisions one made. But these dope heads do limit their own income so they can stay on these programs. Now, when I turned 18 and went to work, I could not support myself on minimum wage either. Nothing has changed between then and today. I had to be aggressive in order to make more money and move out of my parents house which I did by the time I was 20.
Um, back when you were 20, the Minimum wage was worth something. I worked my way through college on minimum wage jobs and was able to pay tuition before the NG kicked in with a scholarship.

But you just whined you are 61 and have no experience at anything else, so that wasn't nearly as clever.

You game the system, they game the system. What ever happened to a work ethic?


After a series of jobs, I finally ended up in transportation. Like a a lot of younger folks, I enjoyed my pot too, but my choices were to continue working lower wage jobs or give up the pot and get into a professional field of work.

Drug screening was not very common years ago and you know that. Today it's a requirement of just about any decent paying job. Their insurance companies require it for cheaper rates. My employer could care less if any of us smoked pot. In fact we used to talk about it. But it was a government requirement that he had drug screening of all his CDL drivers. He had little choice.
Not common? Frankly, I've never had a job where I wasn't drug screened, including the military.

Well it's not just Cleveland, it's happening all across the country.

Nope. Just sounds like your dystopia, man. What the One Percenters want to do to the whole country.
 

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You do remember me saying in the beginning that unions had their uses, right? You're acting like I said unions were never any good or effective. I never said or implied any such thing. They had their uses and did a lot toward the establishment of labor laws. I just don't trust them and I really don't think they're necessary anymore.

We need unions for the same reason we needed them 100 years ago. Rich people are too fucking greedy.

"Hey, boss, we made 5 billion in profits this year. Shouldn't we share it with the guys who did the hard work"
"Naw, screw that. Here's my plans for a DICK ROCKET!!!!"

Beyond that, I'm an individualist by nature so I'm most often not inclined to join groups.
I couldn't imagine any group that could stand you.

By "fixing things" you mean taking money from people who earned it and giving it to people who didn't.
Quite the reverse... the people who didn't earn it are the one percenters... they took it from the people who did and buy mansions and dressage horses and dick rockets.

You're the one saying I'm invested, not me. I'm just having a little fun with it to make a point. The point is, far too many black men are invested in their own destruction, to the point that I don't even need to be invested in the killing of them by officers.
yet you seem to get off on talking about the murder of this black child. A decent person wouldn't even if he thought Wilson was in the right.

Of course he chased him you fucking idiot. Officers are required as part of their job to apprehend punks that assault them or resist arrest.
They are also supposed to evaluate whether something poses an undo risk to the public. A situation where he had to unload his gun on a busy street was an undo risk over something as petty as shoplifting or even resisting arrest.

But you do seem to be getting off a bit over the murder of this black child.


Irrelevant. Brown was still an adult. Calling him a "black child' doesn't change that.
But you do seem to be getting off a bit over the murder of this black child.
 

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