Admiral Rockwell Tory
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When was the last time you saw a Rolls Royce on an Interstate? Did they stop and ask if you happened to have any Grey Poupon?
Ford keeping V8's to 2040!!
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Electric Cars? Who wants an Electric Car in their garage as they sleep at night given that the cars are fire hazards?
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The point is……The Rolls Royce
The luxury car for those who can afford the best
Is offering an Electric option
Admiral Rockwell Tory
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Hrey moron! Guess where the hydrogen comes from? Ever hear of hydrocarbons?
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It was also reported that the first Lightning F150 came off the assembly line and production is sold out
Why?
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Water?
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My nephew out in Tucson, a hard right Trump loving Real American is on a waiting list to buy one.
The amount of energy required to break the bond between hydrogen and oxygen in water exceeds the energy generated from recombining hydrogen with oxygen in a fuel cell.
There's no such thing as a free lunch.
EV's have a place, but not as a 100% replacement of ICE's.
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Not yet, anyway.
Probably never. Where will apartment dwellers charge their EV's? How long will batteries last in hot climates? What's the plan to double the electric infrastructure to prevent brownouts? How will people charge their EV's during brownouts?
Again... there's no such thing as a free lunch.
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We don’t have the infrastructure for 100 percent replacement…..yet
I don't get the emotional attachment people have to either ICE's or EV's. The facts remain that EV's are likely a big part of the future of vehicles, but they have a long way to go to become even a significant portion of the traffic on the roads.
1. Battery technology. Current batteries require enormous expenditures of energy and vast destruction of the environment to get the necessary materials. We will need to enact the same kinds of controls over rare earth mining that we do over coal to make that a long-term reality. We can't close our eyes and pretend it's not happening just because it happens in other countries and not here.
2. Car value. Currently, batteries become exhausted and must be replaced after a number of charging cycles. This leads to there being no secondary vehicle market, which puts most EV's out of the reach of a significant portion of the population. Until batteries can be swapped out at a reasonable cost at a station instead of being recharged, that will remain a large obstacle.
3. Power grid realities. Most people are going to want to charge their EV's at home, but the power grid cannot handle the increased load of millions of vehicles being charged at the same time. It will cost a LOT of money to upgrade the grid, and while it should be done regardless of EV's, it is an obstacle.
4. Fire danger. While rare, battery fires are deadly and difficult to extinguish. Ramp up the number of EV's to the millions and a lot of people will die when their cars catch on fire and either roast them alive or catch their houses on fire. Car dealerships could become a very big threat to the neighborhoods should a fire ignite dozens of battery packs.
Solve these problems and EVs will dominate, because they do have a lot of advantages.
1. Battery technology. Current batteries require enormous expenditures of energy and vast destruction of the environment to get the necessary materials. We will need to enact the same kinds of controls over rare earth mining that we do over coal to make that a long-term reality. We can't close our eyes and pretend it's not happening just because it happens in other countries and not here.
2. Car value. Currently, batteries become exhausted and must be replaced after a number of charging cycles. This leads to there being no secondary vehicle market, which puts most EV's out of the reach of a significant portion of the population. Until batteries can be swapped out at a reasonable cost at a station instead of being recharged, that will remain a large obstacle.
3. Power grid realities. Most people are going to want to charge their EV's at home, but the power grid cannot handle the increased load of millions of vehicles being charged at the same time. It will cost a LOT of money to upgrade the grid, and while it should be done regardless of EV's, it is an obstacle.
4. Fire danger. While rare, battery fires are deadly and difficult to extinguish. Ramp up the number of EV's to the millions and a lot of people will die when their cars catch on fire and either roast them alive or catch their houses on fire. Car dealerships could become a very big threat to the neighborhoods should a fire ignite dozens of battery packs.
Solve these problems and EVs will dominate, because they do have a lot of advantages.
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I imagine apartment complexes will offer charging stations in its parking lots. Since most EVs are charged once a week, you will not need to use them often
Many do because their budget won't stretch to a Scalextric car.
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Maybe you should check with the experts who actually WORK in this area.
Fossil fuel industry gets subsidies of $11m a minute, IMF finds
Trillions of dollars a year are ‘adding fuel to the fire’ of the climate crisis, experts say
www.theguardian.com
What about an apartment complex with no parking spaces and the vehicle averages over 100 miles per day?
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Remember, if a technology cannot IMMEDIATELY replace something that has taken a century to develop and has been heavily subsidized over many many decades then it should NEVER be explored or tried.
You'll find that many folks who are resistant to EV's are the kind of people who have never actually been involved in R&D or technical development in American industry.
Do the math. Google the volume of gasoline consumed in the US. Convert that into KWH. Google the amount of KWH consumed in the US. The numbers are pretty close, hence we are talking about doubling the generating and transmission systems. Now factor in the move towards electric generation from renewables, which do not have battery storage for base loading and require fossil fuels. Now factor in the problems with trying to yo yo fossil fuels to meet base loading especially in instances of catastrophes.
Again... there's no such thing as a free lunch. It's naive to think this transition will go smoothly.
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