For years Democrats have begged for higher taxes…if that’s what tariffs are then why all the resistance?

[KarsaOrlong]

Why do you think wealthy people are not taxed? You ill gotten information is really weak.

https://www.cato.org/blog/its-tax-season-five-charts-who-pays-whats-

risk#:~:text=The%20top%2010%20percent%20of%20income%20earners%20pay%20more%20than,%2C%20corporate%2C%20and%20other%20taxes.

The top 10 percent of income earners pay more than 60 percent of all federal taxes and 72 percent of income taxes, shares that have been increasing over time. Figure 2 reports average federal tax rates, accounting for income, payroll, corporate, and other taxes.Apr 11, 2025

Wealthy people should pay all of the taxes. Without our labor and sacrifice these scoundrels would have nothing.

 

[hadit]

Wealthy people should pay all of the taxes. Without our labor and sacrifice these scoundrels would have nothing.

Define "wealthy", then look at how much you could get from their income, then compare that to the size of the Federal budget. Go ahead, we'll wait.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Wealthy people should pay all of the taxes. Without our labor and sacrifice these scoundrels would have nothing.

What would you poor folks have without the scoundrels ideas, innovations, entrepreneurial ambitions and willingness to take risks?

 

[hadit]

What would you poor folks have without the scoundrels ideas, innovations, entrepreneurial ambitions and willingness to take risks?

I would maintain that a government (and the envious) eager to take from someone who struggles for years to make a dream come true just as that dream starts to pay off should also be eager to support that dreamer during times when he loses money. Yet, somehow, that never seems to come through from the usual suspects.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I think you are a little confused, as usual.

Harris actually won the 100K+ sector.

Trump oddly, won the 50K to 100K sector and even more mysteriously, the 50K and below. (Previous election, Biden won both of those, while Trump won the 100K+)

I don't think it means all that much. Democrats shot themselves in the foot with Biden staying long after it was obvious he wasn't up to a campaign.

People are already realizing what a mistake they made with Trump, and you are going to see all those number reverse. Only the hard core bleach-drinkers will be voting Republican after the "Toyless Christmas" of 2025.

Post the exit polls from a credible source.

 

[KarsaOrlong]

What would you poor folks have without the scoundrels ideas, innovations, entrepreneurial ambitions and willingness to take risks?

Meaningful labor tied to our communities. Less consumer garbage. Less trash plastic. And far less trouble with daddy state conservatives who demand daddy fix everything they dislike.

 

[hadit]

I think you are a little confused, as usual.

Harris actually won the 100K+ sector.

Trump oddly, won the 50K to 100K sector and even more mysteriously, the 50K and below. (Previous election, Biden won both of those, while Trump won the 100K+)

I don't think it means all that much. Democrats shot themselves in the foot with Biden staying long after it was obvious he wasn't up to a campaign.

People are already realizing what a mistake they made with Trump, and you are going to see all those number reverse. Only the hard core bleach-drinkers will be voting Republican after the "Toyless Christmas" of 2025.

There's nothing mysterious about it. Kamala (what have I been doing for 4 years) Harris was for the wealthy while TRUMP! is for the working man.

 

[hadit]

Meaningful labor tied to our communities. Less consumer garbage. Less trash plastic.

You get that because you demand that. In case you're totally unaware, consumers drive everything. If they demand cheap stuff from China, that's what companies will give them. If they demanded expensive, American made TV's, that's what they would get. Business owners are not stupid, they are not going to manufacture and attempt to sell stuff that nobody wants.

And far less trouble with daddy state conservatives who demand daddy fix everything they dislike.

Such as?

Thus far, you've managed to produce a large amount of feelz with very little substance. Think you can change that a bit?

 

[KarsaOrlong]

You get that because you demand that. In case you're totally unaware, consumers drive everything. If they demand cheap stuff from China, that's what companies will give them. If they demanded expensive, American made TV's, that's what they would get. Business owners are not stupid, they are not going to manufacture and attempt to sell stuff that nobody wants.

Such as?

Thus far, you've managed to produce a large amount of feelz with very little substance. Think you can change that a bit?

Only a clown who doesn't understand human nature would take what I'm saying as little substance.

Business owners, as far as I'm concerned, are a cog in the capital state scheme of oppression and rape. I've no tolerance for their complaints.

This entire notion of the state itself is the cause of human misery. The Westphalian state has been the most uncivilized act of barbarism ever enforced on us all.

The fact you consider human beings as consumers is the core component of state oppression.

You can't help it, you've been socially engineered to be a weak and begging statist who demands daddy do it all, via markets or violence.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Meaningful labor tied to our communities. Less consumer garbage. Less trash plastic.

You have a number personal opinions that indicate you have made some bad choices in life, your disdain for those who have made better decisions is a core lib tenet. We know who/what you are.

And far less trouble with daddy state conservatives who demand daddy fix everything they dislike.

Conservatives forge a moral order that guides them within their communities, cities and states…one that is pillared by respect for others, Christianity and a traditional value system…it is Libs who beg Father Government to pave their way, they want/need Father Government to steal others cash for them, they want/need Father Govenment to force sane people to believe faggotry is cool, trannies are normal and illiterate thirdworlders are required.

 

[Unkotare]

The twenty when they were Republican like of course…back when they hated illegals…back when they targeted good real core Americans / productive heterosexuals with policies…. Back when neither JoeB131 nor John Edgar Slow Horses could have clicked with the party…back before they deployed full-blown marxism as a core tenet.

hahaha…WTF? You haven’t fixed shit…The Kenyan rolled all this shit out…We’ve been decimated and on the fast track to the shitter since the Caucasian population dropped below 70% in our population centers….since Mexico took much of our nation. That’s just a simple undeniable fact…The globalist GDP chasers fucked us all out of quality of life.
We’ve become a lost and divided nation with no identity, we’re $37T in debt, we have a larger homeless population than the total population of many countries, we have Veterans sleeping, pissing, shitting and dying in our streets, a middle class that can’t save a dime or get ahead, 50 million unvetted illegals fucking over our citizenry, maiming, raping and murdering our daughters, poisoning our sons, destroying blue collar trade work, destroying our public school and healthcare institutions ….we have a citizenry that hates one another, off the charts levels of criminality, a social media and media steering our elections and the cultural direction of our nation and the tolerant inclusive feelings people continue to embrace, champion and push things they KNOW will only cause further decay and degradation…The anti-America loons have lost all their fucking shit…they can’t and won’t get out of their own way.

More identity politics from the democrat cockroach ^^^.

 

[KarsaOrlong]

You have a number personal opinions that indicate you have made some bad choices in life, your disdain for those who have made better decisions is a core lib tenet. We know who/what you are.

Conservatives forge a moral order that guides them within their communities, cities and states…one that is pillared by respect for others, Christianity and a traditional value system…it is Libs who beg Father Government to pave their way, they want/need Father Government to steal others cash for them, they want/need Father Govenment to force sane people to believe faggotry is cool, trannies are normal and illiterate thirdworlders are required.

No, conservatives are simple minded mewling and weak. Daddy statists who need big government enforcement to make them feel comfortable.

You've squandered this nations wealth on such enforcement. And there's no working your way out of this. Your state is throwing people into jail for saying things the zionazi extremists dislike.

Liberals are your milquetoast enablers. As a spineless conservative huckster you should unzip their pants for them before you blow them in thanks for allowing you to construct your venal state of repression and theft.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Hollie the Chatbox is boring.

 

[hadit]

Only a clown who doesn't understand human nature would take what I'm saying as little substance.

I understand human nature quite well, which is why I'm calling you out on your lack of substance. I know you can't produce anything beyond slogans. I challenged you to define "wealthy". You did not. I challenged you to see how much revenue you could get from their income. You did not. I challenged you to compare that number to the size of the Federal budget. You did not.

Let me guess, your idea of "wealthy" is pretty much anything above what you personally have.

Business owners, as far as I'm concerned, are a cog in the capital state scheme of oppression and rape. I've no tolerance for their complaints.

Yet you happily use their products, as evidenced by your posting on here. Please don't pretend to tell us that you use non-business produced goods to do that.

This entire notion of the state itself is the cause of human misery. The Westphalian state has been the most uncivilized act of barbarism ever enforced on us all.

And which state do you pretend is superior? I think we all already know but indulge us and say it out loud.

The fact you consider human beings as consumers is the core component of state oppression.

"Consumers" is simply a term for people who are purchasing goods and services. There is another term, called "producers", which is those who are producing goods and services. A business owner is both of those simultaneously.

You can't help it, you've been socially engineered to be a weak and begging statist who demands daddy do it all, via markets or violence.

Again, very little substance, just slogans.

Tell me, what would be the response of the big corporations if everyone simply stopped buying foreign made goods and only bought goods produced in the US, regardless of higher prices? Would they continue producing cheap goods overseas and shipping them back here, only to sit unsold in warehouses, or would they begin producing those goods here in the US? It is the consumers' demand for lower prices that led them to produce overseas.

Produce an example of "daddy state conservatives who demand daddy fix everything they dislike". Thus far you have produced nothing.

 

[Unkotare]

You have a number personal opinions that indicate you have made some bad choices in life, your disdain for those who have made better decisions is a core lib tenet. We know who/what you are.

Conservatives forge a moral order that guides them within their communities, cities and states…one that is pillared by respect for others, Christianity and a traditional value system…it is Libs who beg Father Government to pave their way, they want/need Father Government to steal others cash for them, they want/need Father Govenment to force sane people to believe faggotry is cool, trannies are normal and illiterate thirdworlders are required.

Identity politics is a failed approach at manipulation. Hence, President Trump.

 

[KarsaOrlong]

I understand human nature quite well, which is why I'm calling you out on your lack of substance. I know you can't produce anything beyond slogans. I challenged you to define "wealthy". You did not. I challenged you to see how much revenue you could get from their income. You did not. I challenged you to compare that number to the size of the Federal budget. You did not.

Let me guess, your idea of "wealthy" is pretty much anything above what you personally have.

Yet you happily use their products, as evidenced by your posting on here. Please don't pretend to tell us that you use non-business produced goods to do that.

And which state do you pretend is superior? I think we all already know but indulge us and say it out loud.

"Consumers" is simply a term for people who are purchasing goods and services. There is another term, called "producers", which is those who are producing goods and services. A business owner is both of those simultaneously.

Again, very little substance, just slogans.

Tell me, what would be the response of the big corporations if everyone simply stopped buying foreign made goods and only bought goods produced in the US, regardless of higher prices? Would they continue producing cheap goods overseas and shipping them back here, only to sit unsold in warehouses, or would they begin producing those goods here in the US? It is the consumers' demand for lower prices that led them to produce overseas.

Produce an example of "daddy state conservatives who demand daddy fix everything they dislike". Thus far you have produced nothing.

The natural state of humankind is a communalist existence based on communal reciprocity in small like minded tribes.

We are social creatures first who allow for some social deviation from expected norms, we are not individuals who form contracts, as liberals and conservatives like to think.

States are the primary vector by which the ruling class exerts its will on us. By monopolizing force and constructing policing mechanisms, humans are reduced to nationalist beings ripe for propaganda. The entire notion the state has been beneficial can be discarded based strictly on the history of warfare.

The collapse of the British empire, for example, has lead to tbd calamity in India and Pakistan, as well as Iraq and Iran, Israel and Palestine and so on. It seems when you arbitrarily divide people into camps for extraction by the wealthy, those communal bonds are broken, and warfare follows. Look at Rwanda. Burkina Faso. Yugoslavia.

 

[BrokeLoser]

No, conservatives are simple minded mewling and weak. Daddy statists who need big government enforcement to make them feel comfortable.

You've squandered this nations wealth on such enforcement. And there's no working your way out of this. Your state is throwing people into jail for saying things the zionazi extremists dislike.

Liberals are your milquetoast enablers. As a spineless conservative huckster you should unzip their pants for them before you blow them in thanks for allowing you to construct your venal state of repression and theft.

You have a lot of neat feel-good words…you have personal opinions that align perfectly with those of lowlife bottom feeding beggars with no standards or societal expectations.
You realize that what made us exceptional and separated us from Mexico and other dark shitholes is a moral order, standards and expectations that Americans have for one another…It sounds like you have never been able to meet any expectations or standards…am I right?

 

[KarsaOrlong]

You have a lot of neat feel-good words…you have personal opinions that align perfectly with those of lowlife bottom feeding beggars with no standards or societal expectations.
You realize that what made us exceptional and separated us from Mexico and other dark shitholes is a moral order, standards and expectations that Americans have for one another…It sounds like you have never been able to meet any expectations or standards…am I right?

Why do you think you're exceptional? Nationalist lies. Stop using the language of the rich and the dominators.

You daddy state conservatives and your demand the law crush those who make you uncomfortable don't get to lecture any of us on these things.

Your moral order is a disgrace. Our veterans die in the streets. Working people slave away and never get ahead. People have to use go fund me to treat their children's cancer. Our meat products are so laden with shit and garbage other countries won't sell it.

Give me a break with your moral order.

 

[hadit]

The natural state of humankind is a communalist existence based on communal reciprocity in small like minded tribes.

Nothing surprising there. We expected it, quite frankly.

We are social creatures first who allow for some social deviation from expected norms, we are not individuals who form contracts, as liberals and conservatives like to think.

Yet those communities have contracts that everyone in the group must follow or be expelled from the group. They may not be written, but they exist.

States are the primary vector by which the ruling class exerts its will on us. By monopolizing force and constructing policing mechanisms, humans are reduced to nationalist beings ripe for propaganda. The entire notion the state has been beneficial can be discarded based strictly on the history of warfare.

That falls flat on its face given the natural state of conflict between all tribal groups, small or large. You would have a point IF warfare only came on the scene after the tribes merged into larger groups, but it did not.

The collapse of the British empire, for example, has lead to tbd calamity in India and Pakistan, as well as Iraq and Iran, Israel and Palestine and so on. It seems when you arbitrarily divide people into camps for extraction by the wealthy, those communal bonds are broken, and warfare follows. Look at Rwanda. Burkina Faso. Yugoslavia.

What you fail to acknowledge is the natural inclination of mankind to own, accumulate and to protect. A communal economy works only as long as everyone involved participates voluntarily, agreeing to subvert his/her individual or family's needs to the larger group. Sorry, you can't get away from that.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Why do you think you're exceptional? Nationalist lies. Stop using the language of the rich and the dominators

Look around the globe…who does/did it better?

You daddy state conservatives and your demand the law crush those who make you uncomfortable don't get to lecture any of us on these things.

You keep saying/projecting this crazy lib shit…be specific, what are you talking about? I suspect you’re not being specific because you can’t be?

Your moral order is a disgrace. Our veterans die in the streets.

Because libs spend our cash on Mexico’s filth

Working people slave away and never get ahead.

Because libs have Mexico’s filth here holding wages in the shitter.

People have to use go fund me to treat their children's cancer.

Because libs have us providing healthcare for Mexico’s filth

Our meat products are so laden with shit and garbage other countries won't sell it.

Prove that bullshit

Give me a break with your moral order.

All indecent immoral people hate those who push and live by a moral order.