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Tahu competing in the yearly trailer park hillbilly Olympics.
Tahu competing in the yearly trailer park hillbilly Olympics.
You essentially ignored every point I made. Anyways, in this new post to me, you wrote:
The nature of reality, aka us human beings is that we are not all equal there are physically strong and weak people, there are smart and dumb people, there are lazy and energetic people and so on. This socialist UTOPIA therefore requires an universal and simplified human being - aka a robot. respectively egalitarianism.
The aim of socialism isn't to create "universal and simplified human beings", rather, it's to recognize our differences while ensuring they do not determine one's access to essential resources and dignified work. As Marx famously stated, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"
Just because humans are diverse, it does not logically follow that we should create or perpetuate an economic system where people are exploited and treated as mere commodities of a "labor market" or cogs in the capitalist-owned machinery of production. The disingenuous accusation of utopianism is a distraction from the real issues at hand which is, the systematic abuse of human labor, homelessness, gross inequality, and the lack of democratic control in the workplace under capitalism. As socialists, we argue for a society where such conditions are eradicated.
The latter is what Lefties&Libs have been trying to institute in the past 45 years - e.g. dropping the standard of school curriculum's to make everyone more equal towards knowing less. Or gender-ism, or LGBTq rights, etc. etc. and respectively trying to enforce again school curriculum's to enforce everyones belief - humans are all equal and the same.
"Dropping the standard of school curriculum to make everyone more equal towards knowing less."
That's incoherent gobbledygook. Anyways, we're all equal before the law and with respect to our human rights.
Even knowing that you won't acquit to that - human beings luckily have a common sense - which in the past and presently in majority rejects such ideals or this propagated human equality aka egalitarianism. Common sense dictated in 1980 that nuclear energy is avoidable to support humanities rising energy demand. Lefties&libs used all kinds of violent means to place an end towards nuclear energy - now the same fanatics and extremists complain about CO2 levels.
Marxist, far-left communists like myself, are all pro-nuclear.
Engels wasn't some dumb worker or person but the educated son of an industrialist - so for this guy to come up with the utopia that workers can run a factory is already a joke in itself, especially in regards to 1840.
Perhaps under capitalism, workers are dumb, but under socialism, workers are more educated and they have to attend classes and meetings regularly at work and at the party hall if they're members of the Communist party. Socialism creates an educated, smart worker, capable of managing a factory or at least identifying and electing those who can.
Society has instituted already hundreds of years ago an education system that defines or prepares someone to be suitable for later job tasks - no one claims that this education-pass aka Diploma or Degree is a 100% foolproof system. There are any many with a low education-standard (on paper) - due to all kind of reasons - who however posses the ability to later set up and run their own companies and enterprises. And there are also people with a diploma or Degree - that proof to be totally inadequate for their later tasks and jobs. So if people are supposedly all equal - then how is it that in a democratic country - there are still employees?
People aren't equal in their abilities and talents, but that doesn't justify slavery or the exploitation of labor under capitalism. Under capitalism, there are employers (exploiters) and employees (exploitees), the difference between the two comes down to capital (money, assets). One has it and the other doesn't, hence the one who doesn't have it, has to sell himself to a capitalist (someone with money) for eight, ten+ hours daily for a wage. This fact says nothing of how the capitalist amassed his or her capital or wealth, nor does it justify their exploitation and abuse of workers.
....shouldn't they all run their own companies and ventures?
Production is a social endeavor, not a private one. Companies should be owned by those who work them, not by one little dictator or tyrant lord who just happens to have a lot of money.
If the latter would be the case, then a car wouldn't cost US$ 20,000 - but US$ 100,000 since everyone should know that only quantity allows for a lower manufacturing price.
It's the workers who produce the cars, hence they should own and run the factory together, not one person or a small group of wealthy investors.
The fact off life is that people are not inherently socializing people thriving for a community of equals - but gathered as a group of primitive individuals in order to survive in the given environment - but are categorically divided into lazy people and energetic people.
The "lazy" parasite is the capitalist who wants to sit back and have others support him with the sweat of their brow. The little rich dictator is at the beach, while the workers are laboring in the factory, producing the product.
And the latter one, are the ones who know how to grab their chances in life. This causes evolution and civilization of human beings - those who missed out on that evolution are now living in the Amazon or in Africa as tribal communities in 2023.
The working class works collectively and collaborates with each other to produce and deliver all of the products and services that everyone consumes (the working class creates everything in the world, and doesn't need capitalists). They're the skilled ones, willing to break a sweat and place their health and lives on the line to produce everything people consume. They're the majority and more than capable of taking ownership of the means of production from the lazy capitalist parasites that you worship.
So packed into a simple sentence; In order to get an Utopia working (aka socialism), one (lefties&Libs) needs to implement/enforce a society made up of controlled, classless and uniformly thinking people. Maybe some UFO society in the very left corner of the very left universe is just like that - but for me I will utterly reject such an artificial manipulation towards humanity and myself.
The controlled people are under capitalism, working for little dictators, like cogs in a machine. They have no say on how the workplace is run, nor are their managers accountable to them. In socialism, we elect our managers and own the productive enterprise collectively.
In order to handle our human errors, differences or imperfections - we (the people) have instituted governments to implement laws - that regulate our lives in order to avoid total chaos. Therefore if one should rightfully complain about governments simply deciding without our (the peoples) consent - then form a respective party and feel free to vote accordingly to establish a Switzerland like democracy. It is foremost the lazy and disinterested people (the majority) that enable governments to act in an undemocratic manner. But according to you all people are the same.
Under capitalism, there is no real democracy, since the rich control the government and the workplace while the people are just mere cogs in a machine, exploited by capitalists.
Or demonstrate - throw Molotov's, use terrorist means, restrict societies movements and burn down other peoples property until a Switzerland like democracy is adopted. Lefties&Libs have been doing just that since 45 years to get things done in their idealistic interest, and those MAGA's are doing and calling for just that, now as well.
You apparently have no issue with capitalist violence, just with the violence of the proletariat. The bourgeoisie can start wars, invade other countries, exploit the working class, and take over the government with their money. You're OK with that violence.
So in your opinion and mindset. in regards to violence as a means to stop e.g. Capitalism or a governments action - you will leave the final outcome to the most ardent and violent group - well ain't that just great. And I am not going to add to this topic anymore - in regards to Lefties&Libs trying to create an Utopia socialist society.
That's right, a "utopian socialist society", which is much better than a capitalist dystopian society.
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