For those that may prefer a Socialist country

[Rigby5]

Yes it was. It started out cooperative and then degenerated into totalitarianism.

Remove the guns.
Remove private ownership.
Remove the food stores.
People start dying by the millions.
It's why Germany suffered roughly 800,000 deaths during WWII, but Russia and China suffered 40 million deaths and most of them were civilians.
They seem to like killing their own people.

Russia after the revolution was never cooperative.
If nothing else, you can tell immediately because anything cooperative had to be locally controlled, and not centralized.

But communism had nothing at all to do with the 40 million Russians killed by Germany in WWII.
The deaths by starvation due to Stalin not knowing anything about food production, were at least a decade earlier.

 

[Red Front]

Totally and completely false.
Socialism can not change the ownership of anything existing.
All socialism can do is create a new communally owned competition to existing banks.

If the people adopt socialism, all of the banks would be nationalized and publicly owned. It's the people or society that determine whether banks can be privately owned or not, not a few bankers or capitalists.

 

[Rigby5]

state capitalism is a term socialist made up to try and cover up the failures of socialism

Not true.
Obviously for a society to be communist, it has to be democratic, cooperative, communal, and collective.
When none of those are true, it can't at all be socialist.
And clearly Stalin was completely profit motivated.
He was such an ultra capitalist, he prevented any competition.
That is what all capitalist dictators have always done, going back thousands of years.

 

[Kruska]

Wrong it was a Socialist Government

Utter nonsense - and as usually stated in the form off a primitive one-liner. Backed up by no evidence, source or being a substantiated statement. Someone who gives a statement as you did, only proves that he doesn't even understand the simplest basics in regards to this topic and only finds pleasure in spreading his own ignorance.

 

[Rigby5]

If the people adopt socialism, all of the banks would be nationalized and publicly owned. It's the people or society that determine whether banks can be privately owned or not, not a few bankers or capitalists.

Wrong.
Communism does not allow capitalist means of production like private banks, socialism does.

Socialism does not preclude private means of production, but just ensures they can not become abusive, by providing fair alternatives.

 

[Rigby5]

Utter nonsense - and as usually stated in the form off a primitive one-liner. Backed up by no evidence, source or being a substantiated statement. Someone who gives a statement as you did, only proves that he doesn't even understand the simplest basics in regards to this topic and only finds pleasure in spreading his own ignorance.

Well it is not all that clear from just the words, that National Socialist are anti-socialists.
It takes a lot of reading to get a feel for what really happened, Von Hindenburg appointing Hitler, etc.
Since Hitler was using a lot of populists propaganda, he often sounded like a socialist, even though he was totally capitalist and anti-socialist.

 

[Orangecat]

My new t-shirt:

 

[struth]

Not true.
Obviously for a society to be communist, it has to be democratic, cooperative, communal, and collective.
When none of those are true, it can't at all be socialist.
And clearly Stalin was completely profit motivated.
He was such an ultra capitalist, he prevented any competition.
That is what all capitalist dictators have always done, going back thousands of years.

yes Stalin was all for profit…that’s why Communsim has never exist led…you can’t get past socialism because the folks running the show are humans and want power snd money

 

[Failzero]

Revisionist history will not erase that Germany was a Socialist Government with a Fascist Dictator from 1934.-1945

 

[DudleySmith]

state capitalism is a term socialist made up to try and cover up the failures of socialism

No, it was a real thing; the Soviets would have factories compete for contracts and budgets, and capital provided by the state. It was easily corrupted, though, and they did nothing well; under-capitalization was a chronic issue.

 

[Kruska]

Socialism does not at all try to equalize outcome.
All it does is try to provide equal opportunity, by ensuring there are no illegal monopolies based on capital.

Off course it does - it is the main dogma of socialism - No rich and no poor - but everyone equally poor. Since those that are rich or more wealthy then a worker are being termed soulless capitalists or parasitic bourgeoisie.
Socialism is a pure fantasy - hence; UTOPIA - since humanity is not a homogeneous community sharing only one ideal - but a community/society consisting of 8 billion individuals with individual traits, abilities and ideals.
The presently correct form to promote a more balanced society is carried out by social democrats - and conservatives that incooperate the term social responsibility into their policy or political activities.

 

[surada]

Well it is not all that clear from just the words, that National Socialist are anti-socialists.
It takes a lot of reading to get a feel for what really happened, Von Hindenburg appointing Hitler, etc.
Since Hitler was using a lot of populists propaganda, he often sounded like a socialist, even though he was totally capitalist and anti-socialist.

Hitler did break with the Socialists in 1926.

 

[Kruska]

Revisionist history ...

That is exactly as to what you are engaging in. Via e.g. ignorantly claiming that Nazi-Germany was a socialist country.

 

[struth]

No, it was a real thing; the Soviets would have factories compete for contracts and budgets, and capital provided by the state. It was easily corrupted, though, and they did nothing well; under-capitalization was a chronic issue.

agreed it’s a real thing…it’s just a real made up name for socialism

 

[surada]

Revisionist history will not erase that Germany was a Socialist Government with a Fascist Dictator from 1934.-1945

In 1933 Hitler used the Enabling Act to purge the German government of Socialists and Communists. He put a lot of them in Dachau.

 

[Failzero]

In 1933 Hitler used the Enabling Act to purge the German government of Socialists and Communists. He put a lot of them in Dachau.

And then used their methods to reinvigorate Germany

 

[DudleySmith]

agreed it’s a real thing…it’s just a real made up name for socialism

Capitalists love socialism, just ask Red China and Viet Nam.

 

[surada]

And then used their methods to reinvigorate Germany

What are you talking about?

 

[Failzero]

Capitalists love socialism, just ask Red China and Viet Nam.

And Venezuela and Nicaragua ...

 

[Failzero]

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What are you talking about?

They did Socialism better ( Right ) than the Street Communists they murdered