For The Record, It Was The Republicans That Started This Precedent

[francoHFW]

The Republicans opened the floodgates of this issue of using personal relationships, especially of the sexual nature to attack one's political opponents. This had never been done, to such a degree before. The precedent has been set, and I'm afraid there's no turning back.

Do you really think that using sex and personal relationships to attack political opponents started with Clinton? Are you ******* kidding? Have you ever so much as bumped into a history book?

Post it please. Post a single example anywhere near the level of the Clinton Scandal.

Cain is a criminal, not a womanizer.

Pubs spent 92 million dollars for a witchhunt, found a BJ....I was always told a gentleman denies an affair, fot the good of the women. What a pile of gossip and Pubcrappe from a true bunch of hypocritical A-HOLES. Just like toady's BS paralysis of the gov't and country.

.....and then thebrainwashed moron Pub dupe fools.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

From what I've read, Thomas Jefferson was viciously attacked during the 1800 election for his affairs with his female slaves.

But it wasn't reported on fox or bsnbc 24/7???

Oh wait......yeah lol

 

[Unkotare]

Let's see:

-During his reelection campaign of 1800, opponents of John Adams accused him of using his VP running mate as a pimp and sending him off to England to bring back some 'goods.' Adams lost the election.

-The media of his day labelled Jefferson a libertine and printed allegations of affairs, secret illegitimate children (sound familiar Arnold?), and the attempted seduction of a close friend's wife.

-Andrew Jackson was villified as a home-wrecker.

-Ulysses S. Grant was accused of fathering an illegitimate child with a Native American girl.

-In 1884, democrat presidential candidate Grover Cleveland was 'outed' as having fathered a child with a prostitute in New York years before.

And the list goes on and on and on. Crack a book once in a while, idiot.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Do you really think that using sex and personal relationships to attack political opponents started with Clinton? Are you ******* kidding? Have you ever so much as bumped into a history book?

Post it please. Post a single example anywhere near the level of the Clinton Scandal.

Cain is a criminal, not a womanizer.

Pubs spent 92 million dollars for a witchhunt, found a BJ....I was always told a gentleman denies an affair, fot the good of the women. What a pile of gossip and Pubcrappe from a true bunch of hypocritical A-HOLES. Just like toady's BS paralysis of the gov't and country.

.....and then thebrainwashed moron Pub dupe fools.

Once again for the slow and stupid. Clinton as Governor and Clinton as President directly controlled whether the women he went after had jobs. That is criminal behavior UNLESS you are a Democrat right?

 

[Charles_Main]

Because of their blood-lust and savage hatred for Clinton, the Republicans went gunning for blood. They pulled all the stops to get at Clinton. Gnawing and clawing at the law and morals to get at it.

I mean, you had the biggest hypocrite in Newt Gingrich, who was simultaneously publicly condemning Clinton for his affair while in the throws of his own affairs. In fact, multiple Republicans were, at the time, involved in affairs, as we later came to find out, while publicly attacking Clinton.

The Republicans opened the floodgates of this issue of using personal relationships, especially of the sexual nature to attack one's political opponents. This had never been done, to such a degree before. The precedent has been set, and I'm afraid there's no turning back.

Which brings us to Herman Cain, where these same Republicans are now seemingly wanting to forget that precedent and act as if sexual relationships are totally off limits. How does that work?

Again you are a ******* idiot.

Clinton Actually did have an Affair, and there is good evidence he committed Sexual Harassment. Then there is the Lying to us all, and Congress, and committing Perjury. Yet still with all that Clinton was treated rather well. Republicans did not attack him beyond the Very Real Things listed above.

On the Other Hand, Democrats hated Bush, and spewed nothing but hate for 8 years. With out an affair, or Perjury, or Sexual Harassment. They just spewed hate, Opposed everything he did. Obstructed, Filibustered Judicial Appointments, Made movies about Bush Dying, Called him a liar, and Traitor. So if you want the Truth, They started this so called Precedent.

Republicans worked with Clinton, Balanced the Budget, Reformed Welfare. Things were rather Cordial compared to the Bush and Obama years.

It takes balls for you Democrats to now try and blame this new era of Opposing everything your Opposition wants to do when you are in the Minority on Republicans. The Truth is it's only got real bad lately since Bush took office on up through today. Before Bush the Parties worked together better.

Some of it is simply that Clinton was a better leader than them, When it comes to bringing the Country together, and actually getting things done, things people actually want.

Today with the Issues of the Debt, spending, Income Equality, Entitlements, the 2 Sides are very far apart on their Vision of how things should be. It's not going to be easy to compromise when one side thinks we need to stop spending so much, and keep taxes low, and the other thinks we need to spend more to get the economy going.

 

[Unkotare]

I mean, you had the biggest hypocrite in Newt Gingrich, who was simultaneously publicly condemning Clinton for his affair while in the throws of his own affairs. In fact, multiple Republicans were, at the time, involved in affairs, as we later came to find out, while publicly attacking Clinton.

And which of these folks committed perjury? That would need to be the case for you to cry hypocrisy since that is what Clinton was impeached for.

Are you claiming that impeachment was the only 'attack' that Clinton was subjected to in relation to all the 'women stuff' that came up?

That's a good one, Corky.

Do you always consider it an 'attack' when women who are victims of sexual predators speak up? Interesting. There wouldn't have been "all that women stuff" if Clinton hadn't been such a dog. Hell, he admitted as much before he was even elected the first time.

 

[oreo]

Because of their blood-lust and savage hatred for Clinton, the Republicans went gunning for blood. They pulled all the stops to get at Clinton. Gnawing and clawing at the law and morals to get at it.

I mean, you had the biggest hypocrite in Newt Gingrich, who was simultaneously publicly condemning Clinton for his affair while in the throws of his own affairs. In fact, multiple Republicans were, at the time, involved in affairs, as we later came to find out, while publicly attacking Clinton.

The Republicans opened the floodgates of this issue of using personal relationships, especially of the sexual nature to attack one's political opponents. This had never been done, to such a degree before. The precedent has been set, and I'm afraid there's no turning back.

Which brings us to Herman Cain, where these same Republicans are now seemingly wanting to forget that precedent and act as if sexual relationships are totally off limits. How does that work?

Clinton didn't get in trouble for getting BJ's in the Oval office from a young impressionable woman--he got his ASS kicked for lying to a Federal Grand Jury--HUGE DIFFERENCE.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Because of their blood-lust and savage hatred for Clinton, the Republicans went gunning for blood. They pulled all the stops to get at Clinton. Gnawing and clawing at the law and morals to get at it.

I mean, you had the biggest hypocrite in Newt Gingrich, who was simultaneously publicly condemning Clinton for his affair while in the throws of his own affairs. In fact, multiple Republicans were, at the time, involved in affairs, as we later came to find out, while publicly attacking Clinton.

The Republicans opened the floodgates of this issue of using personal relationships, especially of the sexual nature to attack one's political opponents. This had never been done, to such a degree before. The precedent has been set, and I'm afraid there's no turning back.

Which brings us to Herman Cain, where these same Republicans are now seemingly wanting to forget that precedent and act as if sexual relationships are totally off limits. How does that work?

Clinton didn't get in trouble for getting BJ's in the Oval office from a young impressionable woman--he got his ASS kicked for lying to a Federal Grand Jury--HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Actually the Grand Jury was not whom he lied to. he lied to the presiding Judge in his sexual harassment trial.

 

[francoHFW]

Let's see:

-During his reelection campaign of 1800, opponents of John Adams accused him of using his VP running mate as a pimp and sending him off to England to bring back some 'goods.' Adams lost the election.

-The media of his day labelled Jefferson a libertine and printed allegations of affairs, secret illegitimate children (sound familiar Arnold?), and the attempted seduction of a close friend's wife.

-Andrew Jackson was villified as a home-wrecker.

-Ulysses S. Grant was accused of fathering an illegitimate child with a Native American girl.

-In 1884, democrat presidential candidate Grover Cleveland was 'outed' as having fathered a child with a prostitute in New York years before.

And the list goes on and on and on. Crack a book once in a while, idiot.

All gossip by the greedy rich Pubs of the day, and not a single one a CRIME, shyttehead LOL

 

[MarcATL]

I'm sleepy. Peace out guys.

 

[Unkotare]

Let's see:

-During his reelection campaign of 1800, opponents of John Adams accused him of using his VP running mate as a pimp and sending him off to England to bring back some 'goods.' Adams lost the election.

-The media of his day labelled Jefferson a libertine and printed allegations of affairs, secret illegitimate children (sound familiar Arnold?), and the attempted seduction of a close friend's wife.

-Andrew Jackson was villified as a home-wrecker.

-Ulysses S. Grant was accused of fathering an illegitimate child with a Native American girl.

-In 1884, democrat presidential candidate Grover Cleveland was 'outed' as having fathered a child with a prostitute in New York years before.

And the list goes on and on and on. Crack a book once in a while, idiot.

All gossip by the greedy rich Pubs of the day, and not a single one a CRIME, shyttehead LOL:

Try to follow the discussion, idiot, and don't try so hard to show how ******* ignorant you are.

 

[Unkotare]

I'm sleepy. Peace out guys.

Does being COMPLETELY WRONG make you sleepy?

 

[MarcATL]

Post it please. Post a single example anywhere near the level of the Clinton Scandal.

Cain is a criminal, not a womanizer.

Pubs spent 92 million dollars for a witchhunt, found a BJ....I was always told a gentleman denies an affair, fot the good of the women. What a pile of gossip and Pubcrappe from a true bunch of hypocritical A-HOLES. Just like toady's BS paralysis of the gov't and country.

.....and then thebrainwashed moron Pub dupe fools.

Once again for the slow and stupid. Clinton as Governor and Clinton as President directly controlled whether the women he went after had jobs. That is criminal behavior UNLESS you are a Democrat right?

What CRIME(s) are those sir?

Again you are a ******* idiot.

Clinton Actually did have an Affair, and there is good evidence he committed Sexual Harassment. Then there is the Lying to us all, and Congress, and committing Perjury. Yet still with all that Clinton was treated rather well. Republicans did not attack him beyond the Very Real Things listed above.

On the Other Hand, Democrats hated Bush, and spewed nothing but hate for 8 years. With out an affair, or Perjury, or Sexual Harassment. They just spewed hate, Opposed everything he did. Obstructed, Filibustered Judicial Appointments, Made movies about Bush Dying, Called him a liar, and Traitor. So if you want the Truth, They started this so called Precedent.

Republicans worked with Clinton, Balanced the Budget, Reformed Welfare. Things were rather Cordial compared to the Bush and Obama years.

It takes balls for you Democrats to now try and blame this new era of Opposing everything your Opposition wants to do when you are in the Minority on Republicans. The Truth is it's only got real bad lately since Bush took office on up through today. Before Bush the Parties worked together better.

Some of it is simply that Clinton was a better leader than them, When it comes to bringing the Country together, and actually getting things done, things people actually want.

Today with the Issues of the Debt, spending, Income Equality, Entitlements, the 2 Sides are very far apart on their Vision of how things should be. It's not going to be easy to compromise when one side thinks we need to stop spending so much, and keep taxes low, and the other thinks we need to spend more to get the economy going.

What evidence sir? Was the evidence submitted in a Court of Law?

And it's absolutely laughable that you're suggesting that the Republicans "worked with" Clinton. They fought him tooth and nail every step of the way. Which brings us to Bush, which was AFTER Clinton...you know...AFTER the Reps spent 8 years attacking and demonizing a good Democratic President.

Snap out of it!

 

[Full-Auto]

Because of their blood-lust and savage hatred for Clinton, the Republicans went gunning for blood. They pulled all the stops to get at Clinton. Gnawing and clawing at the law and morals to get at it.

I mean, you had the biggest hypocrite in Newt Gingrich, who was simultaneously publicly condemning Clinton for his affair while in the throws of his own affairs. In fact, multiple Republicans were, at the time, involved in affairs, as we later came to find out, while publicly attacking Clinton.

The Republicans opened the floodgates of this issue of using personal relationships, especially of the sexual nature to attack one's political opponents. This had never been done, to such a degree before. The precedent has been set, and I'm afraid there's no turning back.

Which brings us to Herman Cain, where these same Republicans are now seemingly wanting to forget that precedent and act as if sexual relationships are totally off limits. How does that work?

So were the very people consoling Clinton. Rev jackson thought it righteous.

 

[rdean]

Do you really think that using sex and personal relationships to attack political opponents started with Clinton? Are you ******* kidding? Have you ever so much as bumped into a history book?

Post it please. Post a single example anywhere near the level of the Clinton Scandal.

Clarence Thomas.

The biggest problem for Thomas was Anita Hill was smart and articulate and had nothing to gain. She just didn't feel it was right for such a man to be on the Supreme Court. She had convictions. Those are kind of foreign to the Republican Party. Look at their candidates. If I had to guess, I suspect she was telling the truth.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The Republicans opened the floodgates of this issue of using personal relationships, especially of the sexual nature to attack one's political opponents. This had never been done, to such a degree before. The precedent has been set, and I'm afraid there's no turning back.

Do you really think that using sex and personal relationships to attack political opponents started with Clinton? Are you ******* kidding? Have you ever so much as bumped into a history book?

Post it please. Post a single example anywhere near the level of the Clinton Scandal.

Before Andrew Jackson was president, he married a woman named Rachel Donelson in 1791. She had previously been married and believed that she was legally divorced. However, after marrying Jackson, Rachel found out this was not the case. Her first husband charged her with adultery. Jackson would have to wait until 1794 to legally marry Rachel. Even though this happened over thirty years previously, it was used against Jackson in the election of 1828. Jackson blamed Rachel's untimely death two months before he took office on these personal attacks against him and his wife.

Ulysses S. Grant's administration was rife with scandal. The first major scandal dealt with speculation in the gold market. Jay Gould and James Fisk attempted to corner the market. They drove up the price of gold but Grant found out and quickly had the Treasury add gold to the economy. This in turn resulted in the lowering of gold prices on Friday, September 24, 1869 which adversely affected all those who had bought gold.

The Credit Mobilier company was found to be stealing from the Union Pacific Railroad. However, they tried to cover this up by selling stocks in their company at a large discount to government officials and Congress members including Vice President Schuyler Colfax. When this was discovered, it hurt many reputations including that of Ulysses S. Grant's VP.

Another scandal that occurred during Grant's presidency was the Whiskey Ring. In 1875, it was revealed that many government employees were pocketing whiskey taxes. Grant called for swift punishment but caused further scandal when he moved to protect his personal secretray who had been implicated in the affair.


While not implicating the president himself, James Garfield. had to deal with the Star Route Scandal in 1881 during his six months as president before his assassination. This scandal dealt with corruption in the postal service. Private organizations at the time were handling postal routes out west. They would give postal officials a low bid but when the officials would present these bids to Congress they would ask for higher payments. Obviously, they were profiting from this state of affairs. Garfield dealt with this head on even though many members of his own party were benefiting from the corruption.

Grover Cleveland had to deal head on with a scandal while he was running for president in 1884. It was revealed that he had previously had an affair with a widow named Maria C. Halpin who had given birth to a son. She claimed that Cleveland was the father and named him Oscar Folsom Cleveland. Cleveland agreed to pay child support and then paid to put the child in an orphanage when she was no longer fit to raise him. When this issue was brought forth in the campaign and even became a chant "Ma, Ma, where's my Pa? Gone to the White House, ha, ha, ha!," Cleveland was honest about the entire affair. This helped rather than hurt him, and he won the election

Warren G. Harding's presidency was struck by many scandals. The Teapot Dome scandal was the most significant. In this, Albert Fall, Harding's Secretary of the Interior, sold the right to the oil reserves in Teapot Dome, Wyoming and other locations in exchange for personal profit and cattle. He was eventually caught, convicted and sentenced to jail.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I'm sleepy. Peace out guys.

As usual, leave once you had your ass kicked.

 

[Jackson]

Because of their blood-lust and savage hatred for Clinton, the Republicans went gunning for blood. They pulled all the stops to get at Clinton. Gnawing and clawing at the law and morals to get at it.

I mean, you had the biggest hypocrite in Newt Gingrich, who was simultaneously publicly condemning Clinton for his affair while in the throws of his own affairs. In fact, multiple Republicans were, at the time, involved in affairs, as we later came to find out, while publicly attacking Clinton.

The Republicans opened the floodgates of this issue of using personal relationships, especially of the sexual nature to attack one's political opponents. This had never been done, to such a degree before. The precedent has been set, and I'm afraid there's no turning back.

Which brings us to Herman Cain, where these same Republicans are now seemingly wanting to forget that precedent and act as if sexual relationships are totally off limits. How does that work?

But, are you doing the same thing? Isn't it the time when we should concentrate on what they bring to the table in terms of leadership?

Granted, Clinton was turned inside out over his affairs when all other aspects of his administration were virtually ignored. It's time we put on our big boy pants and look at what we need now. Hang the baggage unless it is relevant in terms of the problems we have right now in this country.

So let's stop with the incindiiary rhetoric and look at what each candidate offers in terms of solutions.

Scrutinize Obama's performance the last three years and we'll find that even in he would consider himself a failure when he spoke of being a one term president if he didn;t solve the economy crisis.

A president is only as good as the advice he seeks and the solutions he found. He's been a morally excellent president when it comes to fidelity but does it matter?
NO!

 

[Claudette]

Do you really think that using sex and personal relationships to attack political opponents started with Clinton? Are you ******* kidding? Have you ever so much as bumped into a history book?

Post it please. Post a single example anywhere near the level of the Clinton Scandal.

Before Andrew Jackson was president, he married a woman named Rachel Donelson in 1791. She had previously been married and believed that she was legally divorced. However, after marrying Jackson, Rachel found out this was not the case. Her first husband charged her with adultery. Jackson would have to wait until 1794 to legally marry Rachel. Even though this happened over thirty years previously, it was used against Jackson in the election of 1828. Jackson blamed Rachel's untimely death two months before he took office on these personal attacks against him and his wife.

Ulysses S. Grant's administration was rife with scandal. The first major scandal dealt with speculation in the gold market. Jay Gould and James Fisk attempted to corner the market. They drove up the price of gold but Grant found out and quickly had the Treasury add gold to the economy. This in turn resulted in the lowering of gold prices on Friday, September 24, 1869 which adversely affected all those who had bought gold.

The Credit Mobilier company was found to be stealing from the Union Pacific Railroad. However, they tried to cover this up by selling stocks in their company at a large discount to government officials and Congress members including Vice President Schuyler Colfax. When this was discovered, it hurt many reputations including that of Ulysses S. Grant's VP.

Another scandal that occurred during Grant's presidency was the Whiskey Ring. In 1875, it was revealed that many government employees were pocketing whiskey taxes. Grant called for swift punishment but caused further scandal when he moved to protect his personal secretray who had been implicated in the affair.


While not implicating the president himself, James Garfield. had to deal with the Star Route Scandal in 1881 during his six months as president before his assassination. This scandal dealt with corruption in the postal service. Private organizations at the time were handling postal routes out west. They would give postal officials a low bid but when the officials would present these bids to Congress they would ask for higher payments. Obviously, they were profiting from this state of affairs. Garfield dealt with this head on even though many members of his own party were benefiting from the corruption.

Grover Cleveland had to deal head on with a scandal while he was running for president in 1884. It was revealed that he had previously had an affair with a widow named Maria C. Halpin who had given birth to a son. She claimed that Cleveland was the father and named him Oscar Folsom Cleveland. Cleveland agreed to pay child support and then paid to put the child in an orphanage when she was no longer fit to raise him. When this issue was brought forth in the campaign and even became a chant "Ma, Ma, where's my Pa? Gone to the White House, ha, ha, ha!," Cleveland was honest about the entire affair. This helped rather than hurt him, and he won the election

Warren G. Harding's presidency was struck by many scandals. The Teapot Dome scandal was the most significant. In this, Albert Fall, Harding's Secretary of the Interior, sold the right to the oil reserves in Teapot Dome, Wyoming and other locations in exchange for personal profit and cattle. He was eventually caught, convicted and sentenced to jail.

Just show that this stuff went on all through history. Both parties.

I have no doubt that if anyone wished to they could dig up dirt on quite a few of our current elected officials.

 

[Vaard]

Post it please. Post a single example anywhere near the level of the Clinton Scandal.

Before Andrew Jackson was president, he married a woman named Rachel Donelson in 1791. She had previously been married and believed that she was legally divorced. However, after marrying Jackson, Rachel found out this was not the case. Her first husband charged her with adultery. Jackson would have to wait until 1794 to legally marry Rachel. Even though this happened over thirty years previously, it was used against Jackson in the election of 1828. Jackson blamed Rachel's untimely death two months before he took office on these personal attacks against him and his wife.

Ulysses S. Grant's administration was rife with scandal. The first major scandal dealt with speculation in the gold market. Jay Gould and James Fisk attempted to corner the market. They drove up the price of gold but Grant found out and quickly had the Treasury add gold to the economy. This in turn resulted in the lowering of gold prices on Friday, September 24, 1869 which adversely affected all those who had bought gold.

The Credit Mobilier company was found to be stealing from the Union Pacific Railroad. However, they tried to cover this up by selling stocks in their company at a large discount to government officials and Congress members including Vice President Schuyler Colfax. When this was discovered, it hurt many reputations including that of Ulysses S. Grant's VP.

Another scandal that occurred during Grant's presidency was the Whiskey Ring. In 1875, it was revealed that many government employees were pocketing whiskey taxes. Grant called for swift punishment but caused further scandal when he moved to protect his personal secretray who had been implicated in the affair.


While not implicating the president himself, James Garfield. had to deal with the Star Route Scandal in 1881 during his six months as president before his assassination. This scandal dealt with corruption in the postal service. Private organizations at the time were handling postal routes out west. They would give postal officials a low bid but when the officials would present these bids to Congress they would ask for higher payments. Obviously, they were profiting from this state of affairs. Garfield dealt with this head on even though many members of his own party were benefiting from the corruption.

Grover Cleveland had to deal head on with a scandal while he was running for president in 1884. It was revealed that he had previously had an affair with a widow named Maria C. Halpin who had given birth to a son. She claimed that Cleveland was the father and named him Oscar Folsom Cleveland. Cleveland agreed to pay child support and then paid to put the child in an orphanage when she was no longer fit to raise him. When this issue was brought forth in the campaign and even became a chant "Ma, Ma, where's my Pa? Gone to the White House, ha, ha, ha!," Cleveland was honest about the entire affair. This helped rather than hurt him, and he won the election

Warren G. Harding's presidency was struck by many scandals. The Teapot Dome scandal was the most significant. In this, Albert Fall, Harding's Secretary of the Interior, sold the right to the oil reserves in Teapot Dome, Wyoming and other locations in exchange for personal profit and cattle. He was eventually caught, convicted and sentenced to jail.

Just show that this stuff went on all through history. Both parties.

I have no doubt that if anyone wished to they could dig up dirt on quite a few of our current elected officials.

hell, this stuff went on long before america was even discovered.......

david and bathsheba.....

the borgias......