the convictions are real enough.
if a teen gang menber acted towards the judge and jury like trump- did in the ny case, what would be your sentencing recommendation?
...for me, I cannot, nor will not.....put J6 behind. It is key.
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if a teen gang menber acted towards the judge and jury like trump- did in the ny case, what would be your sentencing recommendation?
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name a charge.
good question, who was?
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they are from the illegals in country now. So you seem good with that right?
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it really is a shame that the fbi threatened congress I agree.
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?? You're the one claiming your cannot get over a two hour riot four years ago that that had zero impact on your life.
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I am surprised and disappointed that J6 has not been more intensely focused on by first, the Biden campaign; and then the Harris campaign. They have given Don Trump a pass.
Donald Trump initiated J6, summoned the mob, angered and provoked the mob, and then directed them to illegally march down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol where they could attack our elected Representatives and stop the peaceful transfer of power. That was the plan of Don Trump and his enablers and sycophants.
I believe all of that.
THAT...is what happened. And consequences must be levied.
Levied against more than the nincompoop losers who beat the hell out of uniformed cops.
So, I was delighted to see today's treatment by the Associated Press on just what is taking place in all those trials of the violent MAGA losers.
I haven't read all of the AP's reportage today....but will.
In the meantime, what I have read confirms what I saw on the telly with my own eyes on J6.
For those who are interested here in the link below is the AP's in-depth reportage of what is and has been revealed via video and witness testimony. It is graphic. It is determinative. It is condemning.
And critically, it has been near unfailingly persuasive to juries and judges who have been exposed to it.
There are no "political prisoners" here. There are no 'falsely accused'. No 'wrongly convicted'.
Harris must not let America forget who instigated and authored that violent seditious event. Must not let America forget that the Commander in Chief du jour, sat on his fat butt doing nothing but watching for over 3hours and watched hard-working employees of the government he claimed he led.....have the crap beat out of them by his supporters.
Kamala Harris must tattoo January 6th onto that fat butt so no one forgets and everybody will want those consequences.
No disrespect intended.
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Jan. 6 can’t be denied in federal court
Inside the courtroom, judges and jurors silently absorb chilling sights and sounds from television screens. Outside, it's a starkly different story.apnews.com
"Inside Washington’s federal courthouse, there’s no denying the reality of Jan. 6, 2021. Day after day, judges and jurors silently absorb the chilling sights and sounds from television screens of rioters beating police, shattering windows and hunting for lawmakers as democracy lay under siege.
But as he seeks to reclaim the White House, Donald Trump continues to portray the defendants as patriots worthy of admiration, an assertion that has been undercut by the adjudicated truth in hundreds of criminal cases where judges and juries have reached the opposite conclusion about what history will remember as one of America’s darkest days.
The cases have systematically put on record — through testimony, documents and video — the crimes committed, weapons wielded, and lives altered by physical and emotional damage. Trump is espousing a starkly different story, portraying the rioters as hostages and political prisoners whom he says he might pardon if he wins in November."
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Outside of your weird cult, J6 is meaningless, and your cult leaders know that.
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Emotetardism is steadfast for fakes
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Can't blame her too much. Her cult leaders over ordered her to chant JANUARY 6th, EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO DEMOCRACY. BLAH BLAH BLAH
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It’s their main tool of clinging . They have nothing positive to offer in the present moments
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After they've been pardoned by Trump.
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So was Christopher Joseph Quaglin FBI or Antifa?
Ashli Babbitt. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
Jeremy Bertino. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
Joshua Pruitt. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
Enrique Tarrio. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
Dominic Pezzola. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
Ethan Nordean. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
Jeremy Brown. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
Joseph Biggs. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
Zachary Rehl. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
John Charles Stewart. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
Roseanne Boyland. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
Daniel Rodriguez. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
Nathaniel “Nate” DeGrave. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
Kevin Lyons. Antifa or FBI? Which one?
All these violent people: Capitol Breach Cases
Antifa or FBI?
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Why didn't Trump call out the Guard on the 6th?
Why did he sit on his ass for 187 minutes while people were dying?
Why did he ignore the pleas from his family, his staff, his media allies, and his congressional allies to stop the insanity for 187 minutes?
Why did he have Giuliani speak, demanding "trial by combat"?
Why didn't he disperse the crowd instead of saying, "We fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue."
Trump had 187 minutes to call the Capitol Police, Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, the F.B.I., the DC Mayor’s Office for help.
He did NOTHING.
You know what he did instead as the violence raged? He called Rudolph Giuliani and members of his cult in Congress, seeking their assistance in delaying the joint session of Congress.
His staff was begging him to act. His FAMILY was begging him to act. His friends in the MAGA media were begging him to stop the violence. His friends in Congress were begging him to act as they feared for their lives.
They warned him people were going to die and he ignored them. The traitor probably loved the idea of people dying for him.
No matter how hard you try, you cannot diminish the high crimes Trump committed that day.
9:21 a.m.: Dana Bash to Mark Meadows
What is Trump doing to pence ?!!
2:12 p.m.: Jim Acosta to Mark Meadows
Will potus say something to tamp things down?
2:14 p.m.: Kristen Welker to Mark Meadows
Reaction to protester?
2:24 P.M.
Donald Trump tweets: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”
2:28 p.m.: Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene to Mark Meadows
Mark I was just told there is an active shooter on the first floor of the Capitol Please tell the President to calm people This isn’t the way to solve anything
2:32 p.m.: Laura Ingraham to Mark Meadows
Hey Mark, The president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home.
2:32 p.m.: Laura Ingraham to Mark Meadows
This is hurting all of us
2:33 p.m.: Laura Ingraham to Mark Meadows
He is destroying his legacy and playing into every stereotype … we lose all credibility against the BLM/Antifa crowd if things go South
2:34 p.m.: Carlton Huffman to Mark Meadows
You’ve earned a special place in infamy for the events of today. And if you’re the Christian you claim to be in your heart you know that
2:34 p.m.: Laura Ingraham to Mark Meadows
You can tell him I said this
2:35 p.m.: Mick Mulvaney to Mark Meadows
Mark: he needs to stop this, now. Can I do anything to help?
2:38 p.m.: Michael Shear to Mark Meadows
Hey mark. Protestors are literally storming the Capitol. Breaking windows on doors. Rushing in. Is Trump going to say something?
2:44 p.m.: Rep. Barry Loudermilk to Mark Meadows
It’s really bad up here on the hill.
2:44 p.m.: Rep. Barry Loudermilk to Mark Meadows
They have breached the Capitol.
2:45 p.m.: Jake Sherman to Mark Meadows
We are under siege in the cpaitol
2:45 p.m.: Jake Sherman to Mark Meadows
There’s an armed standoff at the house chamber door
2:45 p.m.: Jake Sherman to Mark Meadows
We’re all helpless
2:46 p.m.: Rep. Will Timmons to Mark Meadows
The president needs to stop this ASAP
2:47 p.m.: Mario Parker to Mark Meadows
Is Potus going to take the podium to quell this unrest?
“‘He’s got to condemn this sh*t ASAP. The Capitol Police tweet is not enough,’” Trump Jr. wrote in one message to Meadows, according to the committee’s vice chairwoman, Republican Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming.
Cheney detailed that when Meadows had texted back that he agreed,Trump Jr. said: “We need an Oval office address. He has to lead now. It has gone too far and gotten out of hand.”
Donald Trump Jr. said his father needed to ‘condemn’ Capitol violence as it unfolded, Meadows’ texts reveal
"Someone is going to get killed."
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Well, Jack Smith has kicked the January 6th Insurrection/Sedition ball smack onto the field of play once again.
His filing in court yesterday had a who lot of bad juju vis-a-vis January 6th.
Here is one reportage that illustrates that:
"11 damning details in Jack Smith’s new brief in the Trump election case
"Much of Smith’s brief focused on Trump’s state of mind in the weeks leading up to the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021. Smith described a slew of conversations suggesting that the then-president knew his claims of election fraud were spurious:
According to Smith’s prosecutors, Trump was alone in the White House dining room when he sent that tweet. Trump’s aides had left him there after failing to persuade him to call on his supporters to leave the Capitol.
“The defendant personally posted the tweet … at a point when he already understood the Capitol had been breached,” prosecutors wrote.
When Trump was told by an aide of Pence’s evacuation, prosecutors say Trump responded: “So what?”
Trump’s first call for calm — which advisers viewed as insufficient — came 14 minutes later: “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”
Though it’s not referenced in Smith’s new filing or his indictment, Trump later considered naming Powell as a special counsel to investigate election fraud, and he considered a proposal she crafted to seize voting machines from swing states for a forensic inspection.
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His filing in court yesterday had a who lot of bad juju vis-a-vis January 6th.
Here is one reportage that illustrates that:
"11 damning details in Jack Smith’s new brief in the Trump election case
"Much of Smith’s brief focused on Trump’s state of mind in the weeks leading up to the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021. Smith described a slew of conversations suggesting that the then-president knew his claims of election fraud were spurious:
Alone with his phone
At 2:24 p.m. on Jan. 6, as Trump supporters were attacking the Capitol, Trump took to Twitter to condemn Vice President Mike Pence, saying Pence lacked “courage” because Pence had resisted Trump’s pressure to intervene in the Electoral College certification.According to Smith’s prosecutors, Trump was alone in the White House dining room when he sent that tweet. Trump’s aides had left him there after failing to persuade him to call on his supporters to leave the Capitol.
“The defendant personally posted the tweet … at a point when he already understood the Capitol had been breached,” prosecutors wrote.
Trump asked: ‘So what?’
The tweet criticizing Pence coincided with one of the most perilous moments of the riot: the precise minute Pence was being evacuated from his Senate office to a loading dock below the Capitol. Rioters had come within 40 feet of where he was sheltering just before this moment.When Trump was told by an aide of Pence’s evacuation, prosecutors say Trump responded: “So what?”
Trump’s first call for calm — which advisers viewed as insufficient — came 14 minutes later: “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”
Disregarding the results
According to prosecutors, at one point during Trump’s bid to overturn the results, a Trump White House aide overheard Trump tell his daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner: “It doesn’t matter if you won or lost the election. You still have to fight like hell.” The comment was allegedly made on Marine One.Inventing statistics
Prosecutors said they would prove at trial that Trump and his allies often made up statistics about voter fraud “from whole cloth.” For example, Trump and allies alleged that 36,000 noncitizens had cast ballots in Arizona, changing the figure to “a few hundred thousand” five days later, eventually revising it back to “bare minimum … 40 or 50,000,” then to 32,000 and back up to the original number of 36,000.Broken promises of evidence
One week after Election Day in 2020, Trump told then-Gov. Doug Ducey (R-Ariz.) that he was “packaging up” fraud evidence to share with him, prosecutors wrote. But Trump never provided it. Ducey told Trump that Arizona was all but lost, comparing it to being in “the ninth inning, two outs, and [the defendant] was several runs down,” Smith’s brief recounted.Mocking Sidney Powell
After a Fox News host called out Trump-aligned lawyer Sidney Powell for making bizarre claims about Dominion Voting machines, Trump called her on speakerphone. On the Nov. 20, 2020 call, Trump muted his line and mocked her to two aides, calling her claims about the election “crazy” and making a reference to Star Trek, prosecutors contend. On another occasion, he called Powell “unhinged.”Though it’s not referenced in Smith’s new filing or his indictment, Trump later considered naming Powell as a special counsel to investigate election fraud, and he considered a proposal she crafted to seize voting machines from swing states for a forensic inspection.
Trump’s Jan. 5 call to Steve Bannon
Prosecutors, who had more access to telephone records and emails than the congressional committee that investigated Jan. 6, allege that Trump spoke to ally Steve Bannon by phone on Jan. 5 less than two hours before Bannon issued a prescient and provocative prediction on his War Room podcast that “all hell is going to break loose” on Jan. 6.A preview of forensic evidence
Prosecutors plan to have an FBI computer forensic examiner testify about Trump’s phone use on Jan. 6. They say it will show which news and social media apps he had on his phone and will reveal that Trump was on Twitter for much of the day. Prosecutors also plan to show at trial what Fox News was broadcasting at specific times during the day, since Trump had it on in the dining room and was watching coverage of the riot.‘Make them riot’
Well before Jan. 6, an unidentified Trump campaign employee enthusiastically spoke of the potential for a riot in Michigan. The employee, whom prosecutors described as a co-conspirator, allegedly sought to “create chaos” at a polling center in Detroit when it became clear a batch of election returns favorable to Biden was legitimate. “Find a reason it isn’t,” the alleged co-conspirator said to a colleague, prosecutors wrote. When the colleague said an outbreak of violence appeared imminent, the campaign employee replied: “Make them riot” and “Do it!!!”Rudy’s rise
Trump sidelined his campaign lawyers on Nov. 13, 2020, with Bannon informing another Trump campaign adviser — and alleged co-conspirator — that Trump had replaced them in the pecking order with Rudy Giuliani. Bannon said he told Trump that without Giuliani in charge, “this thing is over.” “Trump is in to the end,” Bannon added, according to prosecutors.Rudy’s follies
Counting on Giuliani didn’t turn out so well. Smith’s brief includes yet another instance of Giuliani’s prolific record of butt-dialing and clumsy cell phone use. Prosecutors say he attempted to send a proposed resolution to Michigan lawmakers declaring the election to be in dispute — but sent it to the wrong number.--------------------------------------------------------
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It's clear that violence was always part of the plan.
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Also reported from the Jack Smith filing:
“Although the defendant was the incumbent President during the charged conspiracies,” Smith explains, “his scheme was fundamentally a private one. Working with a team of private co-conspirators, the defendant acted as a candidate when he pursued multiple criminal means to disrupt, through fraud and deceit, the government function by which votes are collected and counted — a function in which the defendant, as President, had no official role.”
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So, Trump's lawyers have the task of convincing the court that everything Don Trump did before and after the election was "official".
They have about a week to convince the judge of that. Then in due time after that she'll make a ruling on whether she goes with them, or goes with Smith....or partially both ways.
Will the future be what it used to be for Don Trump?
Hell, I dunno. I'm just a grain farmer. And a long long ways from Washington DC.
“Although the defendant was the incumbent President during the charged conspiracies,” Smith explains, “his scheme was fundamentally a private one. Working with a team of private co-conspirators, the defendant acted as a candidate when he pursued multiple criminal means to disrupt, through fraud and deceit, the government function by which votes are collected and counted — a function in which the defendant, as President, had no official role.”
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So, Trump's lawyers have the task of convincing the court that everything Don Trump did before and after the election was "official".
They have about a week to convince the judge of that. Then in due time after that she'll make a ruling on whether she goes with them, or goes with Smith....or partially both ways.
Will the future be what it used to be for Don Trump?
Hell, I dunno. I'm just a grain farmer. And a long long ways from Washington DC.
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Only if it's THEIR side doing it. This is why we hear crickets whenever the Summer of 2020 is brought up and the subject of the BLM hoodrats who destroyed businesses and killed roughly what, over 40 people just because of the repeat offender junkie George Floyd?
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Lakhota doesn't know the whole story.
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