For all you Wrongpublicans supporting the 'Fair Tax'

[zeke]

Yes, they define the "tax inclusive fair market value." However, nowhere does the bill say the 23% rate will be defined this way. The only line where the 23% rate is mentioned says this:

"(1) FOR 2015- In the calendar year 2015, the rate of tax is 23 percent of the gross payments for the taxable property or service."

That would be EXCLUSIVE, not inclusive, moron.



True enough, it does illustrate the painfully large gap in intelligence and intellectual honesty between you and normal people. You have lied about what the bill says, plus you're too stupid to know it.

BTW. I'm an atheist, not a Christian, so your rant about Christians is a complete non sequitur. OH, and note how I used quotes from the actual bill that refer to the parts being discussed. You, on the other hand, quoted stuff that was irrelevant.

**** this and **** that. Nah dude, you are a ******* asshole. Plain and simple. No doubt about it. ******* punk assed little ***** is what you are and you can shove your ******* fair tax idea up your ass.

Another zeke meltdown. He loses arguments, goes on a personal attack.

His MO is getting rather tedious.


Sent from my iPad using an Android.

Hey **** you to dude. I understand the women in your life are "*****". You like calling them that fine name? Whisper it in their ear so they can be prepared for the "real world" as defined by the punk assholes you seem to favor. You know, punk ass Republicans like briar patty.

btw I don't "argue" with any of you assholes. Why in the **** would I do that? And there wasn't any "argument" in my comment to the punk calling women "*****".

But hey, you want to disrespect women that way. Well that makes your women ***** also.

And makes you a ******* degenerate dude.

 

[zeke]

It sounds like an intentional distortion of the Black dialect.

I think you mean "African-American," bigot.

A racist rant?

You really are one stupid ****. You don't even know what the "black market" is, do you? Here's a hint, it's not a grocery store where black people shop, you witless dung heap.

Hey paparagineo or what ever the **** you are. You like briar pattsy's use of that fine word that describes your women?

Or was it just my use in calling the punk out for calling women that despicable name that made you comment. Or maybe you just agree with the briar.

 

[chikenwing]

Will it, conservatard? When conservatards and libertardians hear the phrase


When a post starts out like this ya know its coming from a simpleton.

 

[Wildman]

And there wasn't any "argument" in my comment to the punk calling women "*****".

just in case you never got past third grade, "women" is plural, the man was referring to one "woman" singular, oooooh shit, there i go using words you never learned, i think English was not taught before 5th grade, but on the other hand who the hell knows what these liberfool indoctrination centers instruct any more.

i am going to presume that Liberfool Medium is a womAn and she is definitely a ******* worthless **** !

 

[Youch]

And there wasn't any "argument" in my comment to the punk calling women "*****".

just in case you never got past third grade, "women" is plural, the man was referring to one "woman" singular, oooooh shit, there i go using words you never learned, i think English was not taught before 5th grade, but on the other hand who the hell knows what these liberfool indoctrination centers instruct any more.

i am going to presume that Liberfool Medium is a womAn and she is definitely a ******* worthless **** !

I disagree with all the name calling. But your point is noted!


"LiberalMedia" is nothing but an emotional and radical outburst whose debate style isn't to engage, but instead to use intolerance and bullying to squelch an actual exchange of ideas. He/She/It is not interested in discussion, debate or dialog, but instead to oppress the same. Look at his/her/it's posts....res ipsa loquitur.

 

[AmericanFirst]

"hurr let's abolish taxes"

"durr repeal da sixteenf amendment"

"y my money gotta go 2 soshul securidy"

"we shud just hav a fair tax, thatll solve muh prollems"

Will it, conservatard? When conservatards and libertardians hear the phrase "fair tax," they naturally rally around whoever's speaking. But is this the smart thing to do? Let's investigate what exactly is meant when we hear a politician calling for a "fair tax".

Better than anything a idiotic libtard can come up with.

 

[AmericanFirst]

The speech pattern is reminiscent of the democrat segregationists when they were kicking Blacks out of restaurants. Is it a veiled threat against the Black population? You betta stay on de democrat plantation and not even think of being a republican or we will get y'all.

I will remind you of the rules: "No hijacking or derailing threads."
http://www.usmessageboard.com/annou...48-usmb-rules-and-guidelines.html#post6790048

Comment on the thread's actual topic--the Fair Tax Act--or don't comment at all. Your choice.

Don't cry like a libtard just because your lies are being challenged. Libtards don't like the fairtax because it takes money away from their socialist agenda. GOOD!!!

 

[Papageorgio]

Of course you would. Completely illogical to look at it that way, but if it sooths your shallow mind, take your refuge there. To belabor your deceit, takes me down to your level in any case.

EDIT: Your editing of my responses to do whatever you hoped for to change the thrust of the exchange puts you in the light of someone with dishonest intent. And you tried to tar me with that brush, ya phony!

I haven't edited a single word you posted, you lying piece of crap.

Anyone looking closely at your post #72 can see your redactions. Just more of the same from you with your disregard of decent conduct, ya phony! If you'll just shut up I'll stop embarrassing you.

What you posted in 72 is the same as he had quoted. Not sure what you think he changed. I think he completely kicked your ass and you are deflecting.

 

[g5000]

[MENTION=29100]bripat9643[/MENTION]

If you are poor, your prebate will make up for any Fair Tax you pay each month. You may even come out ahead.

A 30 percent tax on consumption is superior to a 30 percent tax on production (which is what an income tax is). You can pay 30 percent at the register for your purchases, or 30 percent on April 15 on your total income.

However, every economist will tell you that consumption taxes are superior to taxes on production.


The biggest problem I have with the Fair Tax is that it is inevitable it will be corrupted just the same as the income tax has been corrupted. Politicians will receive large campaign contributions for putting carve-outs in the Fair Tax code. The dairy industry will get exemptions for milk, and things will rapidly be destroyed from there. Corruption by increments.

There isn't a tax scheme in the world which will ever succeed so long as politicians have the power to make carve-outs, exemptions, deductions, etc.

So before you reform taxes, you first must reform the power our politicians have.

The evidence that you're wrong is the fact that virtually every state in the union has a sales tax, but state governments haven't engaged in the kind of "carve outs" that you describe. A few have exceptions for food, but that's about it. the voters simply aren't going to tolerate granting exemptions to every retail product under the sun.

Bullshit. You should check before you speak.

Here is a list of sales tax exemptions for the state of Washington:

82.08.900 Anaerobic digesters for dairies
82.08.920 Bedding materials for chickens
82.08.0259 Breeding livestock and cattle
82.04.213 Christmas tree production
82.08.865 Diesel fuel used on farms
82.08.0257 Farm auction sales
82.04.050(3e) Farm horticultural services
82.08.02745 Farm-worker housing
82.04.050(9) Feed and seed
82.04.050(9) Fertilizer and chemical spray
82.08.0294 Fish feed for aquaculture
82.08.910 Gas to heat chicken barns
82.08.0311 Horticultural packing materials
82.08.0288 Leased irrigation equipment
82.08.0296 Livestock feed
82.08.890 Livestock nutrient management
82.08.880 Medicine for livestock
82.08.855 Parts for farm machinery
82.08.0277 Pollen
82.04.050(9) Pollination agents
82.08.0267 Poultry used in production
82.08.0272 Semen, artifical insemination
Producer Goods
Rule Subject
82.08.810 Air pollution control facilities
82.08.975 Airplane computer costs
82.08.980 Airplane facilities, port property
82.08.02568 Anodes/cathodes, aluminum
82.12.0265 Bailed equipment for R&D
82.12.800 Boats used by manuf./dealers
82.08.811 Coal, thermal generating plants
82.08.806 Computers, printers/publishers
82.12.0272 Display items for trade shows
82.08.955 Distribution of biodiesel fuels
82.12.0263 Extracted fuel
82.04.050(1d) Ferrosilicon
82.08.0315 Film & video production equip.
82.08.0298 Fishing boat fuel
82.08.0274 Form lumber
82.08.02565 Manufacturing machinery
82.08.026 Natural & manufactured gas
82.08.02566 Prototypes of aircraft parts
82.08.805 Purchases, aluminum smelters
82.08.965 Semiconductor materials
82.08.970 Semiconductors, gases/chem.
82.08.9651 Semiconductors, gases/chem.
82.12.010(1) Use tax on rental value
82.08.820 Warehouses, tax remittance
Interstate Sales
Rule Subject
82.08.0269 Alaska & Hawaii purchases
82.08.0266 Boats sold to nonresidents
82.08.700 Boats, in-state use permit
82.08.0254 Constitutionally exempt sales
82.08.850 Exported conifer seedings
82.08.0268 Farm equip. for nonresidents
82.08.990 Import/export shipments
82.08.0263 Interstate commerce vehicles
82.08.0262 Interstate transportation equip.
82.08.0261 Items used in interstate comm.
82.12.0251 Nonresidents' pers. property
82.08.0279 Nonresidents' rental cars
82.08.0265 Repaired items for nonresidents
82.08.0273 Sales to qualified nonresidents
82.08.050(7) Sellers with limited connection
82.08.0255(2) Special fuel
82.12.0266 Vehicles acquired in military
82.08.0264 Vehicles sold to nonresidents
82.12.0254 Vehicles used in commerce
Public Activities
Rule Subject
82.08.0278 Annexation sales
82.08.0316 Cigarettes, tribal contracts
82.12.0284 Computers donated to schools
82.08.02525 Copies of public records
82.12.02595 Donations to nonprofits/govt.
82.12.0264 Driver training vehicles
82.08.0285 Ferry boats
82.08.02875 Football stadium parking
82.08.0255(1a,c) Fuel for urban transit
82.08.02569 Gravitational wave observatory
82.08.02915 Housing for youth in crisis
82.04.050(10) Labor, Federal govt. structures
82.04.050(8) Labor, local road construction
82.08.0299 Lodging for homeless persons
82.08.870 Motorcycles, rider training
82.08.995 Public development authorities
82.08.0256 Public utility property
82.08.0287 Ride-sharing vehicles
82.04.050(11) RTA maintenance agreements
82.08.834 Sale/leasebacks for RTA
82.08.0275 Sand/gravel, local road const.
82.08.0271 Watershed & flood protection
Health-Related Purchases
Rule Subject
82.08.02805 Blood and tissue banks
82.08.808 Comprehensive cancer centers
82.08.925 Dietary supplements
82.08.935 Drug delivery systems
82.08.02795 Free public hospitals
82.04.050(2a) Hospital laundry service
82.08.02806 Human body parts
82.08.985 Insulin
82.08.945 Kidney dialysis equipment
82.08.0283 Medical devices, oxygen
82.08.803 Nebulizers
82.08.02807 Organ procurement
82.08.804 Ostomic items
82.08.940 Over-the-counter drugs
82.08.0281 Prescription drugs
Deferrals & Credits
Rule Subject
47.46.060 2nd Narrows bridge
36.100.090 Baseball stadium deferral
82.75.030 Biotechnology investments
82.08.037 Credit for bad debts
82.12.035 Credit, tax paid to other states
36.102.070 Football stadium deferral
82.74.030 Fruit/vegetable processing
82.63.030 High technology deferral
82.66.040 Horse race track deferral
82.32.580 Museum for historic autos
82.34.050(2) Pollution control credit
82.60.040 Rural county deferral
82.32.760(1,b) Sales tax sourcing costs
82.32.065 Vehicles under warranty
Other Sales/Use Tax Exemptions
Rule Subject
82.08.02537 Academic transcripts
82.08.815 Alt. power for diesel trucks
82.08.809 Alternative fuel vehicles
82.08.031 Arts & cultural organizations
82.08.0251 Casual sales
82.08.036 Core deposits & tire fees
82.12.860 Credit unions - conversion
82.04.050(6) Custom computer software
82.08.825 Diesel trucks/receive alt. power
82.08.807 Direct mail delivery charges
82.08.950 Electricity and steam
82.08.0293 Food and food ingredients
82.08.0297 Food stamp purchases
82.08.02535 Fund-raising sales, magazines
82.08.02573 Fund-raising, nonprofit org.
82.08.832 Gun safes
82.04.050(2d) Janitorial services
82.08.0289 Local home telephone service
82.14.450(3) Local public safety tax; vehicles
82.14.430 Local regional transp., vehicles
82.14.410 Local sales tax cap for lodging
82.08.0255(1d) Motor vehicle and special fuel
82.08.0253 Newspapers
82.08.830 Nonprofit camps/conf. centers
82.04.050 Personal & prof. services
82.04.062 Precious metals & bullion
82.08.0258 Red Cross
82.08.0282 Returnable containers
82.04.050(2a) Self-service laundries
82.08.010(1) Trade-ins
82.04.050(3e) Tree trimming, power lines
82.08.034 Used floating homes
82.08.033 Used mobile homes
82.08.032 Used park-model trailers
82.08.0291 Youth recreation/phys. fitness

No sales tax on semen! Woo hoo!

 

[g5000]

Here's a list of things exempt from sales tax in New York:

No sales tax on "certain alternative fuels"! Woo hoo!

 

[IlarMeilyr]

LiberalMedia is another term for shit-headed and basically dishonest propaganda.

I would eagerly endorse a Fair Tax or a Flat Tax. I am all for getting rid of the "income" tax. I would happily shred any law providing for a "progressive" sliding income tax, in fact. While we're at it, I would also do away with the Estate Tax and the corporate income tax.

And, for good measure, I would require that all budgets of the United States be balanced -- including a provision for a rapid paying down of our massive debt.

It might even be a good idea to -- go with this for a second -- comply with the Constitutional notion of LIMITING the Federal Government to its actual ENUMERATED Powers.

 

[nodoginnafight]

EDIT: Your editing of my responses to do whatever you hoped for to change the thrust of the exchange puts you in the light of someone with dishonest intent. And you tried to tar me with that brush, ya phony!

That will get someone a lil' vacation from these boards.
If you can document it, report it.

 

[g5000]

The list of sales tax exemptions for the great red state of Mississippi are too long to list here.

You can see the list here: Exemptions sales tax

Sales to Mississippi Technology Alliance.

Uh-huh. I seeeee...

Accessories including jewelry, handbags, luggage, umbrellas, wallets, watches, backpacks, briefcases, garment bags and similar items carried on or about the human body, without regard to whether worn on the body in a manner characteristic of clothing

Your wallet and purse are exempt from sales tax! Irony!

 

[g5000]

So...as I was saying, don't bother reforming the tax structure until you reform the politicians who control the tax structure. As long as we give them the power to grant carve-outs, exemptions, deductions, etc., then there is no tax system you can devise which will make any difference. And there is no campaign finance reform you can devise which will make any difference, either.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

"hurr let's abolish taxes"

"durr repeal da sixteenf amendment"

"y my money gotta go 2 soshul securidy"

"we shud just hav a fair tax, thatll solve muh prollems"

Will it, conservatard? When conservatards and libertardians hear the phrase "fair tax," they naturally rally around whoever's speaking. But is this the smart thing to do? Let's investigate what exactly is meant when we hear a politician calling for a "fair tax".

Wrongpublicans? Conservatards? Libertardians?

What are you, like, 5?

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

I haven't edited a single word you posted, you lying piece of crap.

Anyone looking closely at your post #72 can see your redactions. Just more of the same from you with your disregard of decent conduct, ya phony! If you'll just shut up I'll stop embarrassing you.

What you posted in 72 is the same as he had quoted. Not sure what you think he changed. I think he completely kicked your ass and you are deflecting.

Post #72 is was not my post, but rather his. An oversight on your part, perhaps? My post, from which he quoted originated in my #64, but may have been quoted from my #70.

My edit was an afterthought when I noticed the ellipsis in the otherwise empty quote box in #72. That ellipsis is what I use below a block from another post I have quoted to allow the editor to post what I've written INSIDE the others quote, which is highlighted in blue usually. The editor on this site will not post a reply without a minimum of bits below the quotation, hence the ellipsis.

That ellipsis is what I noticed later and which brought on my edit remarks after some checking. If I were going to try to deflect, does it seem logical to you for one to employ that strangely odd "method"? Perhaps you should rethink that proposition.

 

[Avatar4321]

So you'd only support a Fair tax if it's at 30%?

Why on earth would any of us want to do that?

Fair tax at 3% max. Encourage economic growth and stand back and watch the revenues come pouring in.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"hurr let's abolish taxes"

"durr repeal da sixteenf amendment"

"y my money gotta go 2 soshul securidy"

"we shud just hav a fair tax, thatll solve muh prollems"

Will it, conservatard? When conservatards and libertardians hear the phrase "fair tax," they naturally rally around whoever's speaking. But is this the smart thing to do? Let's investigate what exactly is meant when we hear a politician calling for a "fair tax".

Can anyone translate this from Moron into English?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Personally, I support a progressive income tax. But I want EVERYONE to pay at least $1.
Everyone should have some skin in the game.

 

[LiberalMedia]

Personally, I support a progressive income tax. But I want EVERYONE to pay at least $1.
Everyone should have some skin in the game.

Is that before or after income tax refunds?