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Every Conservatard Ever said:
"hurr let's abolish taxes"

"durr repeal da sixteenf amendment"

"y my money gotta go 2 soshul securidy"

"we shud just hav a fair tax, thatll solve muh prollems"

Will it, conservatard? When conservatards and libertardians hear the phrase "fair tax," they naturally rally around whoever's speaking. But is this the smart thing to do? Let's investigate what exactly is meant when we hear a politician calling for a "fair tax".
 
Part I: The FairTax™

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax
The FairTax is a proposal to reform the federal tax code of the United States. It would replace all federal income taxes (including the alternative minimum tax, corporate income taxes, and capital gains taxes), payroll taxes (including Social Security and Medicare taxes), gift taxes, and estate taxes with a single broad national consumption tax on retail sales. The Fair Tax Act (H.R. 25/S. 122) would apply a tax, once, at the point of purchase on all new goods and services for personal consumption.

The proposal also calls for a monthly payment to all family households of lawful U.S. residents as an advance rebate, or "prebate", of tax on purchases up to the poverty level.

As defined in the proposed legislation, the tax rate is 23% for the first year. This percentage is based on the total amount paid including the tax ($23 out of every $100 spent in total). This would be equivalent to a 30% traditional U.S. sales tax ($23 on top of every $77 spent—$100 total).[4] The rate would then be automatically adjusted annually based on federal receipts in the previous fiscal year.[5] With the rebate taken into consideration, the FairTax would be progressive on consumption,[2] but would also be regressive on income at higher income levels (as consumption falls as a percentage of income).[6][7] Opponents argue this would accordingly decrease the tax burden on high-income earners and increase it on the middle class.[4][8]

Well would you look at that--it's not a "fair tax" at all, but rather the FairTax™, which would crush the middle class and absolutely slaughter the lower class by introducing a nearly 30% federal sales tax, on top of whatever your state and local sales taxes are.

Keep in mind, Wrongpublicans, that the FairTax™ does not abolish state income taxes, nor does it touch local property taxes. A typical North Carolina resident, for example will be paying an 8% state income tax, a sales tax of 7-8% in most places (this depends upon exactly where you live), and a 30% federal sales tax. If you happen to buy something that's a bit too nice for your plebeian hands to touch, your local government will levy a property tax on that, too--meaning that the car you just paid 30% extra for will still be subject to addition taxation.
 
Part II: Subsidies for the FairTax™

And for all you libertardians who say the government shouldn't be running a welfare state? You conservatards who don't want to fund poor, downtrodden Shamika, a single mom of 5 kids by 4 manpigs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax#Monthly_tax_rebate
Under the FairTax, family households of lawful U.S. residents would be eligible to receive a "Family Consumption Allowance" (FCA) based on family size (regardless of income) that is equal to the estimated total FairTax paid on poverty level spending according to the poverty guidelines published by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.[1] The FCA is a tax rebate (known as a "prebate" as it would be an advance) paid in twelve monthly installments, adjusted for inflation. The rebate is meant to eliminate the taxation of household necessities and make the plan progressive.[4] Households would register once a year with their sales tax administering authority, providing the names and social security numbers of each household member.[1]

That's right--the FairTax™ wouldn't just give tax credits to Shamika, which she receives currently, but would in fact subsidize hyr choice to have as many kids as possible. In fact, the FairTax™ would subsidize more of hyr chyldryn than she could ever hope to claim as dependents under the current income tax system.

All of you self-styled "constitutionalists" and "civil libertarians" that have been mindlessly following your huckster herdsmen, pay attention: The FairTax™ would create even more of the "problems" you want to get rid of.
 
Part III: The Mathematical Deception of the FairTax™

I can hear your conservatard reactions to the title now. "B-B-BUT, IT'S FAIR! How can it be deceptive?!"

I'll explain.

Some of you may have been wondering why in some instances, the FairTax™ is cited as being a 23% sales tax, and in others, it's 30%. This is because of how prices are presented to the consumer.

Traditionally, goods are presented as being tax-exclusive rather than tax-inclusive. An example: You go to Walmart to buy a picture frame in which to place your life-size printout of Rachel Maddow. The frame is priced at $50. Is this the price you pay? Unless you happen to live in one of the minority of states that doesn't levy a sales tax, of course not. You pay $50, PLUS whatever sales tax rate is charged at the point of sale. This is called tax-exclusive pricing. This is where the 30% rate comes from.

What about the 23% figure? That's tax-inclusive, which means that the rate given to us is presented when calculating the percentage of tax AFTER you have added the tax to the cost of the goods you're purchasing. Sound confusing? Good, that's exactly what Congressional Wrongpublicans were angling for when they introduced it.

To further our understanding, let's return the our Rachel Maddow picture frame example. Under a tax-inclusive system, we may pay $100 for the frame, and tax-happy politicians could make the claim that the sales tax rate levied on it is "only 50%" since the taxes represent only 50% of the amount we pay for the item. But it's a $50 frame, so the sales taxes were an additional $50--making the sales tax rate not 50%, but in fact 100%, as the tax rate on the frame is 100% of the frame's value, thus doubling the amount you have to pay for it. Tax-exclusive rates are much more honest, as they reflect the cost the seller is charging you, and calculate the amount of tax separately.

The amounts proposed by the FairTax™ are not quite as drastic, so the difference between the tax-inclusive and tax-exclusive calculations winds up being only about 7%; even still, this is rather drastic, especially when you consider that many states only charge 7% or less in sales tax to begin with.
 
Part IV: Why the Rich Want the FairTax™, and Why the Poor Should Avoid It

For this section, we will be examining a few specific transactions that would fall under the FairTax™. Wikipedia sums the matter up rather nicely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax#Taxable_items_and_exemptions

A good would be considered "used" and not taxable if a consumer already owns it before the FairTax takes effect or if the FairTax has been paid previously on the good, which may be different from the item being sold previously. Personal services such as health care, legal services, financial services, and auto repairs would be subject to the FairTax, as would renting apartments and other real property.[4] Food, clothing, prescription drugs and medical services would be taxed.

Think your lawyer, doctor, tax preparer, or mechanic is charging you an arm and a leg now? Let's see how dismembered we can make you by slapping an addition 30% federal sales tax charge onto all of their services.

This provision will especially financially ruin the sick, leading to more medical bankruptcies in our country than we've ever seen before. Anyone who's ever had a major health problem realizes that you don't just "go to the doctor" and then you're suddenly all better. More likely, the process goes like this:

1. Go to Doctor A, who refers you to Specialist B.
2. Specialist B runs some scans before determining that this is out of his purview or specialty, or he simply doesn't have the equipment in his office necessary to treat you. He does, however, refer you to Specialist C.
3. Specialist C sees you, runs more scans, and takes various blood/skin/saliva samples, etc. Tells you to come back and see him in a week.
4. You return to Specialist C and finally get diagnosed. Specialist C gives you a prescription for Pharmacist D.
5. At long last, you get your medicine from Pharmacist D! But it's not over yet.
6. Weeks, or sometimes a few months, later, you return to Specialist C per his instructions. Hopefully, you seem to be all better now and your process ends here.

6 separate instances here of a sick person who would have to pay enormous medical bills at each visit PLUS a 30% federal sales tax if the corporate shills get their way.

Oh, and remember that little line earlier about exemptions? "A good would be considered "used" and not taxable if a consumer already owns it before the FairTax takes effect"? Who do you think that will benefit--the poor who own nothing, the middle class who own little (if they're lucky), or the mega-millionaires and billionaires who own land, cars, planes, yachts, and every other imaginable high-end luxury? You guessed right, Congressional Wrongpublicans are backing a bill that would make everything 30% more expensive, and by complete coincidence the richest Americans have ALREADY bought their fill of ridiculously expensive assets, so they won't have to pay the 30% federal markup on their private jet, or stock, or anything else. Once again, it's up to the poor to shoulder the burden of paying the taxes that keep this country running.
 
Summation

In conclusion, the FairTax™ is supported only by crooked politicians who want to reduce taxes on the rich down to nearly nothing, shit all over the working class, and ensure that our poorest fellow Americans are unable to pay for even the few things they could afford without the FairTax™. If the FairTax™ passes, it will be the end of America as we know it.

Write your federal legislators and tell them to vote NO on the Fair Tax Act, or S122 in the Senate and HR125 in the House.

To read the text of both bills, as well as view a list of sponsors, visit:

Bill Summary & Status - 113th Congress (2013 - 2014) - S.122 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Bill Summary & Status - 113th Congress (2013 - 2014) - H.R.25 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
 
Every Conservatard Ever said:
"hurr let's abolish taxes"

"durr repeal da sixteenf amendment"

"y my money gotta go 2 soshul securidy"

"we shud just hav a fair tax, thatll solve muh prollems"

Will it, conservatard? When conservatards and libertardians hear the phrase "fair tax," they naturally rally around whoever's speaking. But is this the smart thing to do? Let's investigate what exactly is meant when we hear a politician calling for a "fair tax".

It sounds like an intentional distortion of the Black dialect. A racist rant?
 
The only fair tax is a flat tax: whatever percent applied to gross, no deductions for anything.

So then you'll love it when you get a federal income tax levied at a flat rate of 100%, with no deductions, no credits, and no money in your pay checks, right?

That's actually not too far off from something I was thinking of. Great mynds think alike, fellow lybyryl.
 
Every Conservatard Ever said:
"hurr let's abolish taxes"

"durr repeal da sixteenf amendment"

"y my money gotta go 2 soshul securidy"

"we shud just hav a fair tax, thatll solve muh prollems"

Will it, conservatard? When conservatards and libertardians hear the phrase "fair tax," they naturally rally around whoever's speaking. But is this the smart thing to do? Let's investigate what exactly is meant when we hear a politician calling for a "fair tax".

It sounds like an intentional distortion of the Black dialect.

I think you mean "African-American," bigot.

A racist rant?

Nope. Read the thread and try again. Or are you so far into denial mode that you can't bring yourself to do even that?
 
The speech pattern is reminiscent of the democrat segregationists when they were kicking Blacks out of restaurants. Is it a veiled threat against the Black population? You betta stay on de democrat plantation and not even think of being a republican or we will get y'all.
 
Part I: The FairTax™

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax
The FairTax is a proposal to reform the federal tax code of the United States. It would replace all federal income taxes (including the alternative minimum tax, corporate income taxes, and capital gains taxes), payroll taxes (including Social Security and Medicare taxes), gift taxes, and estate taxes with a single broad national consumption tax on retail sales. The Fair Tax Act (H.R. 25/S. 122) would apply a tax, once, at the point of purchase on all new goods and services for personal consumption.

The proposal also calls for a monthly payment to all family households of lawful U.S. residents as an advance rebate, or "prebate", of tax on purchases up to the poverty level.

As defined in the proposed legislation, the tax rate is 23% for the first year. This percentage is based on the total amount paid including the tax ($23 out of every $100 spent in total). This would be equivalent to a 30% traditional U.S. sales tax ($23 on top of every $77 spent—$100 total).[4] The rate would then be automatically adjusted annually based on federal receipts in the previous fiscal year.[5] With the rebate taken into consideration, the FairTax would be progressive on consumption,[2] but would also be regressive on income at higher income levels (as consumption falls as a percentage of income).[6][7] Opponents argue this would accordingly decrease the tax burden on high-income earners and increase it on the middle class.[4][8]

Well would you look at that--it's not a "fair tax" at all, but rather the FairTax™, which would crush the middle class and absolutely slaughter the lower class by introducing a nearly 30% federal sales tax, on top of whatever your state and local sales taxes are.

Keep in mind, Wrongpublicans, that the FairTax™ does not abolish state income taxes, nor does it touch local property taxes. A typical North Carolina resident, for example will be paying an 8% state income tax, a sales tax of 7-8% in most places (this depends upon exactly where you live), and a 30% federal sales tax.

It's not the equivalent of the 30% sales tax, dingbat. It's the equivalent of a 23% sales tax. The left constantly lies about the FAIR tax, and the above is just another example.

State income taxes are based on Federal income tax returns. If no one has to file a federal income tax return, then what are states going to base their taxes on? Obviously, they'll have to rewrite their tax codes. Furthermore, if we repeal the 16th Amendment, then income taxes will no longer be allowed. Until the 16th was passed, the Constitution specifically prohibited the income tax.

If you happen to buy something that's a bit too nice for your plebeian hands to touch, your local government will levy a property tax on that, too--meaning that the car you just paid 30% extra for will still be subject to addition taxation.

What stops them from doing that now?
 
The speech pattern is reminiscent of the democrat segregationists when they were kicking Blacks out of restaurants. Is it a veiled threat against the Black population? You betta stay on de democrat plantation and not even think of being a republican or we will get y'all.

I will remind you of the rules: "No hijacking or derailing threads."
http://www.usmessageboard.com/annou...48-usmb-rules-and-guidelines.html#post6790048

Comment on the thread's actual topic--the Fair Tax Act--or don't comment at all. Your choice.
 
Part II: Subsidies for the FairTax™

And for all you libertardians who say the government shouldn't be running a welfare state? You conservatards who don't want to fund poor, downtrodden Shamika, a single mom of 5 kids by 4 manpigs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax#Monthly_tax_rebate
Under the FairTax, family households of lawful U.S. residents would be eligible to receive a "Family Consumption Allowance" (FCA) based on family size (regardless of income) that is equal to the estimated total FairTax paid on poverty level spending according to the poverty guidelines published by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.[1] The FCA is a tax rebate (known as a "prebate" as it would be an advance) paid in twelve monthly installments, adjusted for inflation. The rebate is meant to eliminate the taxation of household necessities and make the plan progressive.[4] Households would register once a year with their sales tax administering authority, providing the names and social security numbers of each household member.[1]

That's right--the FairTax™ wouldn't just give tax credits to Shamika, which she receives currently, but would in fact subsidize hyr choice to have as many kids as possible. In fact, the FairTax™ would subsidize more of hyr chyldryn than she could ever hope to claim as dependents under the current income tax system.

All of you self-styled "constitutionalists" and "civil libertarians" that have been mindlessly following your huckster herdsmen, pay attention: The FairTax™ would create even more of the "problems" you want to get rid of.

How? We already subsidize shamika to have as many children as she likes. She gets totally free housing, food stamps, medical care and a cell phone. She also get's the EIT, which means she gets a refund even if she paid no federal income tax whatsoever. All the prebate does is compensate for the tax on the purchases she makes up to the poverty level. The net tax to Shamika and everyone below the poverty level is zero.

Once again, your claims about the FAIR tax are total bullshit.
 
Part III: The Mathematical Deception of the FairTax™

I can hear your conservatard reactions to the title now. "B-B-BUT, IT'S FAIR! How can it be deceptive?!"

I'll explain.

Some of you may have been wondering why in some instances, the FairTax™ is cited as being a 23% sales tax, and in others, it's 30%. This is because of how prices are presented to the consumer.

Traditionally, goods are presented as being tax-exclusive rather than tax-inclusive. An example: You go to Walmart to buy a picture frame in which to place your life-size printout of Rachel Maddow. The frame is priced at $50. Is this the price you pay? Unless you happen to live in one of the minority of states that doesn't levy a sales tax, of course not. You pay $50, PLUS whatever sales tax rate is charged at the point of sale. This is called tax-exclusive pricing. This is where the 30% rate comes from.

What about the 23% figure? That's tax-inclusive, which means that the rate given to us is presented when calculating the percentage of tax AFTER you have added the tax to the cost of the goods you're purchasing. Sound confusing? Good, that's exactly what Congressional Wrongpublicans were angling for when they introduced it.

To further our understanding, let's return the our Rachel Maddow picture frame example. Under a tax-inclusive system, we may pay $100 for the frame, and tax-happy politicians could make the claim that the sales tax rate levied on it is "only 50%" since the taxes represent only 50% of the amount we pay for the item. But it's a $50 frame, so the sales taxes were an additional $50--making the sales tax rate not 50%, but in fact 100%, as the tax rate on the frame is 100% of the frame's value, thus doubling the amount you have to pay for it. Tax-exclusive rates are much more honest, as they reflect the cost the seller is charging you, and calculate the amount of tax separately.

The amounts proposed by the FairTax™ are not quite as drastic, so the difference between the tax-inclusive and tax-exclusive calculations winds up being only about 7%; even still, this is rather drastic, especially when you consider that many states only charge 7% or less in sales tax to begin with.

23% is the tax exclusive rate, numskull, so all your claims based on that are pure horseshit. I'd like to know where you come up with this 30% rate, because no one ever proposed that.
 
Will it, conservatard? When conservatards and libertardians hear the phrase "fair tax," they naturally rally around whoever's speaking. But is this the smart thing to do? Let's investigate what exactly is meant when we hear a politician calling for a "fair tax".

It sounds like an intentional distortion of the Black dialect.

I think you mean "African-American," bigot.

A racist rant?

You really are one stupid ****. You don't even know what the "black market" is, do you? Here's a hint, it's not a grocery store where black people shop, you witless dung heap.
 
Part I: The FairTax™

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax
The FairTax is a proposal to reform the federal tax code of the United States. It would replace all federal income taxes (including the alternative minimum tax, corporate income taxes, and capital gains taxes), payroll taxes (including Social Security and Medicare taxes), gift taxes, and estate taxes with a single broad national consumption tax on retail sales. The Fair Tax Act (H.R. 25/S. 122) would apply a tax, once, at the point of purchase on all new goods and services for personal consumption.

The proposal also calls for a monthly payment to all family households of lawful U.S. residents as an advance rebate, or "prebate", of tax on purchases up to the poverty level.

As defined in the proposed legislation, the tax rate is 23% for the first year. This percentage is based on the total amount paid including the tax ($23 out of every $100 spent in total). This would be equivalent to a 30% traditional U.S. sales tax ($23 on top of every $77 spent—$100 total).[4] The rate would then be automatically adjusted annually based on federal receipts in the previous fiscal year.[5] With the rebate taken into consideration, the FairTax would be progressive on consumption,[2] but would also be regressive on income at higher income levels (as consumption falls as a percentage of income).[6][7] Opponents argue this would accordingly decrease the tax burden on high-income earners and increase it on the middle class.[4][8]

Well would you look at that--it's not a "fair tax" at all, but rather the FairTax™, which would crush the middle class and absolutely slaughter the lower class by introducing a nearly 30% federal sales tax, on top of whatever your state and local sales taxes are.

Keep in mind, Wrongpublicans, that the FairTax™ does not abolish state income taxes, nor does it touch local property taxes. A typical North Carolina resident, for example will be paying an 8% state income tax, a sales tax of 7-8% in most places (this depends upon exactly where you live), and a 30% federal sales tax.

It's not the equivalent of the 30% sales tax, dingbat. It's the equivalent of a 23% sales tax. The left constantly lies about the FAIR tax, and the above is just another example.

OH FUCKING REALLY.

Since you're obviously TOO MAGNIFICENTLY STUPID AND ADHD to be able to read the thread the whole way through, including portion where I address this very limp-wristed, autistic argument, I'll dumb it down for you. Get ready to have your mind blown, conservatard bigot:

You buy an item that costs $50.

You pay $50 in sales tax.

The amount you pay for the item is thus $100.

What, then, is the sales tax rate? Is it 50%, since only 50% of the amount you paid for the item is taxes? Or is it 100%, since the amount of taxes levied on the item you bought was equal to 100% of that item's actual cost?

This is a matter of whether or not the stated rate relies upon tax-inclusive or tax-exclusive calculations. This is the difference between the figures of 23% and 30%.

IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THESE BASIC MATHEMATICAL CALCULATIONS, YOU MAY NEED TO RE-ENROLL IN THIRD GRADE.

State income taxes are based on Federal income tax returns. If no one has to file a federal income tax return, then what are states going to base their taxes on? Obviously, they'll have to rewrite their tax codes. Furthermore, if we repeal the 16th Amendment, then income taxes will no longer be allowed. Until the 16th was passed, the Constitution specifically prohibited the income tax.

I'm glad that you, too, are against the repeal of the federal income tax. Welcome to the Democratic Party.

If you happen to buy something that's a bit too nice for your plebeian hands to touch, your local government will levy a property tax on that, too--meaning that the car you just paid 30% extra for will still be subject to addition taxation.

What stops them from doing that now?

Read the thread, conservatard. Nothing is stopping any entity from doing that, and it's exactly what the thread states--the Fair Tax Act DOES NOT ADDRESS local property taxes.
 
It sounds like an intentional distortion of the Black dialect.

I think you mean "African-American," bigot.

A racist rant?

You really are one stupid ****. You don't even know what the "black market" is, do you? Here's a hint, it's not a grocery store where black people shop, you witless dung heap.

They're called African-Americans, bigot.

And of course I know what that term means. It's a racist euphemism used to refer to a place where stolen or illegal goods are sold, so named because African-Americans were alleged to be the sellers and main buyers at such places.

And you conservatards thought my degree in African-American History was useless. No, bigots, I'm wise to your discriminatory ways. I don't let even the most subtle racism slide.
 
Part I: The FairTax™

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax


Well would you look at that--it's not a "fair tax" at all, but rather the FairTax™, which would crush the middle class and absolutely slaughter the lower class by introducing a nearly 30% federal sales tax, on top of whatever your state and local sales taxes are.

Keep in mind, Wrongpublicans, that the FairTax™ does not abolish state income taxes, nor does it touch local property taxes. A typical North Carolina resident, for example will be paying an 8% state income tax, a sales tax of 7-8% in most places (this depends upon exactly where you live), and a 30% federal sales tax.

It's not the equivalent of the 30% sales tax, dingbat. It's the equivalent of a 23% sales tax. The left constantly lies about the FAIR tax, and the above is just another example.

OH FUCKING REALLY.

Since you're obviously TOO MAGNIFICENTLY STUPID AND ADHD to be able to read the thread the whole way through, including portion where I address this very limp-wristed, autistic argument, I'll dumb it down for you. Get ready to have your mind blown, conservatard bigot:

You buy an item that costs $50.

You pay $50 in sales tax.

The amount you pay for the item is thus $100.

What, then, is the sales tax rate? Is it 50%, since only 50% of the amount you paid for the item is taxes? Or is it 100%, since the amount of taxes levied on the item you bought was equal to 100% of that item's actual cost?

This is a matter of whether or not the stated rate relies upon tax-inclusive or tax-exclusive calculations. This is the difference between the figures of 23% and 30%.

IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THESE BASIC MATHEMATICAL CALCULATIONS, YOU MAY NEED TO RE-ENROLL IN THIRD GRADE.

Congratulations. You demonstrated you can do simple math. Now demonstrate that anyone proposed a 23% INCLUSIVE rate. The fact is no one has. That's simply a bald face lie about the FAIR tax.

I'm glad that you, too, are against the repeal of the federal income tax. Welcome to the Democratic Party.

I'm definitely not against repealing the 16th Amendment.

If you happen to buy something that's a bit too nice for your plebeian hands to touch, your local government will levy a property tax on that, too--meaning that the car you just paid 30% extra for will still be subject to addition taxation.

What stops them from doing that now?

Read the thread, conservatard. Nothing is stopping any entity from doing that, and it's exactly what the thread states--the Fair Tax Act DOES NOT ADDRESS local property taxes.

It wasn't intended to address local property taxes, moron. It was intended to eliminate the income tax. Every other tax will remain just as it is unless we decide to address them separately.
 
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Part III: The Mathematical Deception of the FairTax™

I can hear your conservatard reactions to the title now. "B-B-BUT, IT'S FAIR! How can it be deceptive?!"

I'll explain.

Some of you may have been wondering why in some instances, the FairTax™ is cited as being a 23% sales tax, and in others, it's 30%. This is because of how prices are presented to the consumer.

Traditionally, goods are presented as being tax-exclusive rather than tax-inclusive. An example: You go to Walmart to buy a picture frame in which to place your life-size printout of Rachel Maddow. The frame is priced at $50. Is this the price you pay? Unless you happen to live in one of the minority of states that doesn't levy a sales tax, of course not. You pay $50, PLUS whatever sales tax rate is charged at the point of sale. This is called tax-exclusive pricing. This is where the 30% rate comes from.

What about the 23% figure? That's tax-inclusive, which means that the rate given to us is presented when calculating the percentage of tax AFTER you have added the tax to the cost of the goods you're purchasing. Sound confusing? Good, that's exactly what Congressional Wrongpublicans were angling for when they introduced it.

To further our understanding, let's return the our Rachel Maddow picture frame example. Under a tax-inclusive system, we may pay $100 for the frame, and tax-happy politicians could make the claim that the sales tax rate levied on it is "only 50%" since the taxes represent only 50% of the amount we pay for the item. But it's a $50 frame, so the sales taxes were an additional $50--making the sales tax rate not 50%, but in fact 100%, as the tax rate on the frame is 100% of the frame's value, thus doubling the amount you have to pay for it. Tax-exclusive rates are much more honest, as they reflect the cost the seller is charging you, and calculate the amount of tax separately.

The amounts proposed by the FairTax™ are not quite as drastic, so the difference between the tax-inclusive and tax-exclusive calculations winds up being only about 7%; even still, this is rather drastic, especially when you consider that many states only charge 7% or less in sales tax to begin with.

23% is the tax exclusive rate, numskull, so all your claims based on that are pure horseshit. I'd like to know where you come up with this 30% rate, because no one ever proposed that.

READ. THE. BILL.

Bill Text - 113th Congress (2013-2014) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

CTRL+F "exclusive": Zero results.

CTRL+F "inclusive": Multiple results. They even define what "tax inclusive fair market value" is, since they refer to the concept so much in the text of the bill.

This thread illustrates the painfully large gap in intelligence and intellectual honesty between enlightened lybyryls like mysylf and backwards, uncivilized conservatards. Whereas I speak from a position of authority, given my research into the subject and use of primary source materials (which include things like the actual bill and don't include things like Sean Hannity psychobabble), conservatards can only foam at the mouth and parrot the same talking points their corporatist overlords taught them on the mind-rotting television they worship as their god--in between bouts of proclaiming "America's Christian heritage" and "In God We Trust".
 

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