For all the justified focus on trump's depravity I think we need to identify the real problem.

[Man With A Plan]

That argument does not refute the fundamental fact that Trump falsified his business records for whatever reason which is against the law in NY

They fined him a HALF A BILLION DOLLARS, Arlette! The appeals court's questions about that amount were quite pointed. They wanted to know how it was that Engeron and James arrived at that amount and what other person has been hit with that kind of fine for what is normally viewed as a bookkeeping error resulting in a small fine.

 

[Man With A Plan]

That argument does not refute the fundamental fact that Trump falsified his business records for whatever reason which is against the law in NY

So were you going to show us another case where someone was charged with fraud for setting a value for real estate that was perhaps higher than it should have been? A case where the lender was not only sophisticated but was encouraged by the person seeking the loan to do their own due diligence? Tish James' representative couldn't come up with one. Not that didn't immediately get shot down by the appeals judges!

 

[Arlette]

They fined him a HALF A BILLION DOLLARS, Arlette! The appeals court's questions about that amount were quite pointed. They wanted to know how it was that Engeron and James arrived at that amount and what other person has been hit with that kind of fine for what is normally viewed as a bookkeeping error resulting in a small fine.

I guess James and the good judge have to explain how they arrived at the sum. That's what courts are for and Trump will get his day in court.

We are not interested in this case. Only in a criminal case against him because we are determined to put him in prison for his crimes against the American people.

 

[Billiejeens]

What Trump's accountant did would bring a mild slap on the wrist to any other person...a misdemeanor and a small fine. Judge Engeron somehow thought that "crime" was deserving of a fine of over a half a BILLION dollars! That's ridiculous. Of course Trump is "unique"! He's being treated in a way that nobody else has been treated.

Engeron knows that he will be overturned.



No case survives an appeal

 

[Billiejeens]

I guess James and the good judge have to explain how they arrived at the sum. That's what courts are for and Trump will get his day in court.

We are not interested in this case. Only in a criminal case against him because we are determined to put him in prison for his crimes against the American people.

"We"?

You are fundamentally retarded.
You won't be much help.

 

[MarcATL]

As hideous, un-American, bigoted, ignorant, untruthful, and hateful as trump is, and as appropriate as it is to point it out, there is no trump without The Following.

He'd be the equivalent of a barstool crank without them.

It will be a tremendous blow to trumpery if he loses next week, and a boon for the country.

But the hatred, intolerance, and xenophobia he has animated, and given voice to among his base, will not be vanquished in one election. His defeat, should it happen, will not stop RWM from spreading harmful misinformation The Following eagerly absorbs.

I do not believe there will be another trump in my lifetime or the lifetime's of my kids. So The Following's animus will not be channeled in support of a demagogue as it is now. Yet it will remain. Stoked by others desirous of taking Don's place. Finding a way to calm it needs to be a priority or it will continue to consume the country. It is the enemy within.

So true.

 

[Independent thinker]

As hideous, un-American, bigoted, ignorant, untruthful, and hateful as trump is, and as appropriate as it is to point it out, there is no trump without The Following.

He'd be the equivalent of a barstool crank without them.

It will be a tremendous blow to trumpery if he loses next week, and a boon for the country.

But the hatred, intolerance, and xenophobia he has animated, and given voice to among his base, will not be vanquished in one election. His defeat, should it happen, will not stop RWM from spreading harmful misinformation The Following eagerly absorbs.

I do not believe there will be another trump in my lifetime or the lifetime's of my kids. So The Following's animus will not be channeled in support of a demagogue as it is now. Yet it will remain. Stoked by others desirous of taking Don's place. Finding a way to calm it needs to be a priority or it will continue to consume the country. It is the enemy within.

Yes. The real problem is the left's depravity, wanting boys to use girls bathrooms, play girl's sports, have drag queens read stories to young children, and whack off boys and girls private parts.

 

[sartre play]

Have you looked at the left anytime in, say, the past 20 years?

Hatred is your coin of barter.

We have let down our country.
WE have voted party over country.
Both party's have failed in working for WE the people.
Trump is the result of our disappointment.
SO many turned towards a Great teller of lies.
In the hope of getting away from business as usual.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The real problem is democrat continuous lies.

 

[Lesh]

Yes. The real problem is the left's depravity, wanting boys to use girls bathrooms, play girl's sports, have drag queens read stories to young children, and whack off boys and girls private parts.

Pure emotional nonsense

 

[Independent thinker]

Pure emotional nonsense

LOL. OK, I'll put you down for being OK with boys using girl's bathrooms. And you don't call that depravity.

 

[Rawley]

As hideous, un-American, bigoted, ignorant, untruthful, and hateful as trump is, and as appropriate as it is to point it out, there is no trump without The Following.

You mean the majority of the nation? The popular ******* vote berg.

In case you missed the 2x4 that hit you guys in the head last night - it's time for some introspection.

 

[Rawley]

Pure emotional nonsense

QED

 

[Lesh]

You mean the majority of the nation? The popular ******* vote berg.

In case you missed the 2x4 that hit you guys in the head last night - it's time for some introspection.

71 million very partisan voters. In a nation of 360 million

 

[Rawley]

71 million very partisan voters. In a nation of 360 million

Lesh - you need to lose the delusion.

 

[Billiejeens]

71 million very partisan voters. In a nation of 360 million

What happened to your brigade of who-ers who just wanted to make sure that they could kill their baby

 

[scruffy]

The real problem is that you buy lies like trump won the election, all his critics within the former GOP are traitors, and his promises of retribution are justified. Your view of reality is twisted in knots by lies.

The real problem is the Dem leadership thinks it can gaslight America.

But America has spoken. We're not buying it. The Dems are out on their keesters. The Reps might even win the House.

I've said repeatedly, I won't vote for another Dem till they get rid of their leadership. The current Dem leaders are the biggest bunch of asswipes ever in American history.

Get rid of them, and then come talk to me.

 

[Billiejeens]

The real problem is the Dem leadership thinks it can gaslight America.

But America has spoken. We're not buying it. The Dems are out on their keesters. The Reps might even win the House.

I've said repeatedly, I won't vote for another Dem till they get rid of their leadership. The current Dem leaders are the biggest bunch of asswipes ever in American history.

Get rid of them, and then come talk to me.

Rarely has there been a more total repudiation of a political party and their ideas, than yesterday.

Do they get that?
Nope.