Zone1 Focusing the LGBTQ debate

[Dogmaphobe]

After a few months absence I finally feel motivated/masochistic enough to post again on this board. I have decided however for my own sanity to clearly state what I hope to achieve here and how I will go about achieving this.

My goal is to have an honest, good faith debate with people who disagree with me.

In order to achieve this I will try my utmost of not following those that are not interested in the slightest to do the same, down every rabbit hole.

I wanted to preface the OP with this.


Now for the actual meat of the OP.





So this is my second question. Can anybody give me a rational reason to assert that their rights supersede those of others?

Transexuals rights should not supersede those of others. They have the right to think of themselves as the opposite sex, but should not have the right to force others to confirm the fantasy.

Punishing people for "misgendering" is fascistic in nature.

 

[TNHarley]

As opposed to bigots like you who want to deprive them of their rights to 'protect' others.


Apparently you are a statist yourself.

What right do I want to deprive them of? The special rights you think they deserve?
I havent even mentioned the fed gov. You are just lying now.
I dont like to talk to pathetic liars.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Please engage my questions. As I said I'm not interested in following people down whatever rabbit hole.

He engaged your question. You are simply looking for people who agree.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It was never 'enforced' because it was never an issue until the right made it one.

It was never an issue when males stayed out of female spaces. The left made it an issue by allowing and encouraging males to enter female spaces and female sports no matter how absurdly non-female they looked.

The only EO I found on the subject was Trump's banning it. Did I miss one allowing it or did you just make it up?

You missed one.

What President Biden’s LGBTQ Executive Order Does and Doesn’t Do | ACLU

The Biden administration has said they will follow existing federal law protecting LGBTQ people from discrimination — including in schools.

www.aclu.org

Hey, I'm not the one making it an issue, it is Trump and the Right. If it wasn't broke why did Trump have to fix it?

It was broke when women and young girls were being intimidated by naked males in their locker rooms and penises hanging out in their bathrooms.

The fact that the Democrats don’t understand why that’s a problem or pretend that it doesn’t happen accounts in part for their dramatic loss in 2024.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It was broke when women and young girls were being intimidated by naked males in their locker rooms and penises hanging out in their bathrooms.

Some people get off on that, thus their support.

They hate on Riley Gaines for objecting since it ruins their fantasy.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Some people get off on that, thus their support.

They hate on Riley Gaines for objecting since it ruins their fantasy.

Yes, fantasy is a big part of this. Especially the “girl with something extra” fantasy. They are trying to convince themselves that they can like penises and not be gay. The left worked hard for homosexuality to be accepted. Now that it is, they should just admit they’re gay.

It is amazing that they have become so illogical that when a young woman complains about a 6 foot tall male undressing in her locker room. The response is to hate that young woman.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

What right do I want to deprive them of? The special rights you think they deserve?
I havent even mentioned the fed gov. You are just lying now.
I dont like to talk to pathetic liars.

He evidently believes the ability to force the speech of others is one of the "rights" of people who believe they are of the opposite sex. It takes away the right of one person who is forced to accommodate another.


You might as well outlaw the ability of children to point out that the Emperor is naked.

 

[alang1216]

It was never an issue when males stayed out of female spaces. The left made it an issue by allowing and encouraging males to enter female spaces and female sports no matter how absurdly non-female they looked.

You missed one.

What President Biden’s LGBTQ Executive Order Does and Doesn’t Do | ACLU

The Biden administration has said they will follow existing federal law protecting LGBTQ people from discrimination — including in schools.

www.aclu.org

It was broke when women and young girls were being intimidated by naked males in their locker rooms and penises hanging out in their bathrooms.

The fact that the Democrats don’t understand why that’s a problem or pretend that it doesn’t happen accounts in part for their dramatic loss in 2024.

Is it the Left or the law?

According to the ACLU:

Federal law prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in employment, education, housing, health care, and credit. And since the Supreme Court’s decision in Bostock recognized that it is impossible to discriminate against someone for being LGBTQ without discriminating on the basis of sex, our federal statutes are the source of legal protections for LGBTQ people — not Biden's executive order. Those who claim to be victims of Biden’s affirmation of these legal protections are really angry about legal rules that were drafted by Congress decades ago and affirmed by the Supreme Court in June.​

 

[Seymour Flops]

Is it the Left or the law?

According to the ACLU:

Federal law prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in employment, education, housing, health care, and credit. And since the Supreme Court’s decision in Bostock recognized that it is impossible to discriminate against someone for being LGBTQ without discriminating on the basis of sex, our federal statutes are the source of legal protections for LGBTQ people — not Biden's executive order. Those who claim to be victims of Biden’s affirmation of these legal protections are really angry about legal rules that were drafted by Congress decades ago and affirmed by the Supreme Court in June.​

It’s the left’s agenda-driven interpretation of the law.

The law passed in 1963. Are you claiming that men in girls locker rooms was the intent back then?

 

[alang1216]

It’s the left’s agenda-driven interpretation of the law.

The law passed in 1963. Are you claiming that men in girls locker rooms was the intent back then?

The courts made a judgement based on the law. If the Right wants to discriminate based on sex, they will need to change the law.

 

[BackAgain]

What exactly is the LGBTQ debate?

I say again: I don’t care (and I don’t understand why anyone should care) if a guy is gay or if a woman is a lesbian.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The courts made a judgement based on the law. If the Right wants to discriminate based on sex, they will need to change the law.

Easier to replace the judges.

 

[alang1216]

Easier to replace the judges.

Maybe but you'll still have to go through the Senate I believe. Of course, that would be more proof the Right are leaning to authoritarianism and we're on the road to becoming a banana republic.

 

[HeyNorm]

Not all of us want the government to control every aspect of our lives. It is called freedom, if you want it for yourself, you have to grant it to others.

Like the freedom for girls to not be forced to occupy private space with men wearing panties?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Maybe but you'll still have to go through the Senate I believe. Of course, that would be more proof the Right are leaning to authoritarianism and we're on the road to becoming a banana republic.

Nope. It would proof that the checks and balances envisioned in the constitution are finally being used to reign in the out of control judiciary that has appointed itself a super legislature and super executive.

How in the world would it be fascist for the two elected branches to work together to stop the unelected branch from thwarting the will of the electorate?

Mandating men to be allowed in girls bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports is not even sane, much less constitutionally sound.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Maybe but you'll still have to go through the Senate I believe. Of course, that would be more proof the Right are leaning to authoritarianism and we're on the road to becoming a banana republic.

You demand that women and girls be forced to compete against men in sports, and call OTHERS the authoritarians?

Sheesh!

 

[alang1216]

Like the freedom for girls to not be forced to occupy private space with men wearing panties?

Do you really want government to regulate what goes on in a private space? I think you mean public space. If Trump's EO applies to Federal buildings, that is his right. If it applies to schools, that is overreach since they can regulate themselves.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Really? Someone with Swyer syndrome has the XY chromosome including a working uterus. So you think men can be pregnant?

Someone with De La Chapelle syndrome has all the characteristics of a male minus being able to produce sperm. Yet they have the XX Chromosomes

^
You are trying to take medical anomalies and make them the functioning medical norm. They are genetic defects. They do not get pregnant. They do not have eggs or sperm.

If we had to rely on men to have babies, we would cease to exist as a species:

 

[Leo123]

Yes I do.

Really? Someone with Swyer syndrome has the XY chromosome including a working uterus. So you think men can be pregnant?

Someone with De La Chapelle syndrome has all the characteristics of a male minus being able to produce sperm. Yet they have the XX Chromosomes.

There are also people who have xyy chromosomes. How do we call those?

So any other characteristics. Since this seems inadequate?

If biologically it's hard determine male from female. Letting a person define it for themselves seems as good a way as any and way better than letting a government do so.


Defining yourself is not a mental illness. The problem seems to be that you don't agree with their definition. This is fine, if you are able to clearly deliniate male from female. Otherwise you are just using an arbitrary standard that fits your viewpoint that you then use to infringe on the rights of others.

What about if you 'define yourself' as a psychopath and live your life that way killing for pleasure? Would you respect that self definition?

 

[Leo123]

Do you really want government to regulate what goes on in a private space? I think you mean public space. If Trump's EO applies to Federal buildings, that is his right. If it applies to schools, that is overreach since they can regulate themselves.

I want 'the government' to remove a natal male from a high-school, female locker room. His mental illness is is own, no one needs to support that shit.