Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[Silhouette]

143 pages in less than two days.

Wow!

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Flowers dude, it's just flowers

No dude, it's equality, an American Value that matters.

A court wasted it's time on flowers

No, on equality. She could have been selling gum or Girl Scout cookies, the point is exactly the same.

Gum and cookies are available in any number of places.

True story

Now, tell me why having to buy gum at Safeway instead of Al's Grocery is worth a second of a judges time.

Because equality dictates that such a thing is unnecessary and gets in the way of people living our lives. Just because they don't like your kind doesn't give them right to refuse service. People have busy lives to lead. Having to drive to the gas station that takes your kind just gets in the way.

Which gas station doesn't want to take money from gay people? Is it possible that most of the persecution the gay militia faces is only in your head?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Is it possible that most of the persecution the gay militia faces is only in your head?

Nope.

 

[Pop23]

143 pages in less than two days.

Wow!

Over floral arrangements

I know right?

 

[Pop23]

No dude, it's equality, an American Value that matters.

A court wasted it's time on flowers

No, on equality. She could have been selling gum or Girl Scout cookies, the point is exactly the same.

Gum and cookies are available in any number of places.

True story

Now, tell me why having to buy gum at Safeway instead of Al's Grocery is worth a second of a judges time.

Because equality dictates that such a thing is unnecessary and gets in the way of people living our lives. Just because they don't like your kind doesn't give them right to refuse service. People have busy lives to lead. Having to drive to the gas station that takes your kind just gets in the way.

Which gas station doesn't want to take money from gay people? Is it possible that most of the persecution the gay militia faces is only in your head?

Does filling the tank with gas require that the station owner bring the station to a place??

Strange

 

[Pop23]

Flowers dude, it's just flowers

No dude, it's equality, an American Value that matters.

A court wasted it's time on flowers

No, on equality. She could have been selling gum or Girl Scout cookies, the point is exactly the same.

Gum and cookies are available in any number of places.

True story

Now, tell me why having to buy gum at Safeway instead of Al's Grocery is worth a second of a judges time.

Because equality dictates that such a thing is unnecessary and gets in the way of people living their lives. Just because they don't like your kind doesn't give them right to refuse service. People have busy lives to lead. Having to drive to the gas station that takes your kind just gets in the way.

Tell that sad story to a poor dude that wants a new Porsche but can only afford a used Mazda.

So sad

 

[Silhouette]

Which gas station doesn't want to take money from gay people? Is it possible that most of the persecution the gay militia faces is only in your head?

This is a question of gay MARRIAGE, not a fill up at the pump where nobody but the homosexual would know they are gay. Marriage is the core of society and there are specific mandates in the Bible NOT to allow any overtaking of any society by a homosexual culture, not mere individual homosexuals, which the Bible then says to extend compassion to "making a difference". The overtaking of any culture's base structure (marriage at the heart) ist verboten. THAT is the issue she will bring before the US Supreme Court: the right to not partake in the promotion of the homosexual subculture in taking over the base structure of society: marriage.

If the Court was smart, it would reaffirm that states have the right to decide/ratify gay marraige or not (Windsor 2013). Then this issue wouldn't be as tricky or earth-shattering to decide. By then, people who do the gay would be used to the fact that people have a right to reject their lifestyles and the First Amendment affirmation that is sure to come won't come as such a shock to them.

If I was a Justice, that's how I'd handle this dual issue.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Which gas station doesn't want to take money from gay people? Is it possible that most of the persecution the gay militia faces is only in your head?

This is a question of gay MARRIAGE, not a fill up at the pump where nobody but the homosexual would know they are gay. Marriage is the core of society and there are specific mandates in the Bible NOT to allow any overtaking of any society by a homosexual culture, not mere individual homosexuals, which the Bible then says to extend compassion to "making a difference". The overtaking of any culture's base structure (marriage at the heart) ist verboten. THAT is the issue she will bring before the US Supreme Court: the right to not partake in the promotion of the homosexual subculture in taking over the base structure of society: marriage.

The unconditional "civil rights" act was a huge mistake, forcing businesses to render service to anyone. Of course it was race based, but that didn't stop the gay militia from horning its way in so that even people's lifestyle choice becomes a "civil right". Now we've reached the point where people's "right" to patronize any business, which exists nowhere in the Constitution, trumps people's right to practice their religious faith, which IS in the Constitution.

 

[Ravi]

Im not sure im into businesses serving people they dont want to .....by force of the government.

If theyre known bigots and enough people decide not to shop there as a result, theyll fail.

That all said, shes a despicable bigot. **** her

I agree completely. I think that discriminating against homosexuals should not only be legal, but protected!

The only catch is that they should have to post big signs by the entrance and include a clearly visible "non fine print" disclaimer in all their advertisements that they refuse to serve homosexuals.

But what if all business in their area did that? What if there was no business in their area who would do business with them

That is not in the least bit true. I have not seen one such post. Why lie about something like that?

Oh, well, you haven't seen it, I must be lying then. JoeBigot131 and PaintMyHouse for examlpe have argued that incessently. Given their post count, you are as KosherGirl said obviously not reading

^more lies

Here you go sweetheart. Sucks to be you

Where in the Constitution does it say you have the right to force someone to bake you a cake? I can't find that part.

Where in the constitution does it say they CAN'T require you to bake a cake?


Actually, what requires you to back a cake is when you took out an ad that says, "I bake wedding cakes" In short, your advertisement was half of a written contract.

That doesn't even remotely say that gays shouldn't have to deal with Christians.

You're right on the quote. I confused it with the other discussion, but you're still wrong, sorry. Liberals tried that and got fine to the point what if gays don't want to deal with them.

I'm not finding those quotes for you, you made the claim, I don't have to prove you wrong

No, you made the claim. I reread the thread and no one said that gay people should be able to refuse serving Christians.

 

[Geaux4it]

As the bible depicts, the persecution of Christians is picking up steam and the temple will soon be built

If this isn't embedded with succession fuel, then nothing is. Interesting the modern Scarlet Letter 'G' for gay, represents victory when in actuality, we all feel sorry for their parents.

It's time for those of us raised in the Bible Belt to rise.

Muslim US government wants to attack Christians?

"Every knee will bow, every tongue will confess" -

-Geaux
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(CNN)If you have not been following the case of Barronelle Stutzman, you should be.

Stutzman is the Washington florist who has been sued for living out her Christian beliefs. In 2013, a long-time friend and customer came to her flower shop and asked her to provide flowers for his gay wedding. Stutzman had known this man and had done business with him for about nine years. Nevertheless, she told him that she could not participate in his wedding "because of my relationship with Jesus."

The man's partner subsequently spread the word via social media. As a result, the attorney general of Washington State sued Stutzman for violating the state's anti-discrimination law. The two men also sued her in their personal capacity and were represented by the ACLU. As a result of these lawsuits, Stutzman stands to lose her business, her home, and her personal savings. Her whole life hangs in the balance with this case.

Yesterday, a Washington State judge issued a summary judgment that went against her. Stutzman's legal team put out this statement explaining what this means:

A state judge ruled Wednesday that Washington floral artist and grandmother Barronelle Stutzman must provide full support for wedding ceremonies that are contrary to her faith.

A florist loses religious freedom and much more - CNN.com

 

[JoeB131]

Or she can just go into a business that doesn't require her to offend her imaginary sky pixie.

 

[Geaux4it]

Or she can just go into a business that doesn't require her to offend her imaginary sky pixie.

Wrong answer Joe

-Geaux

 

[dblack]

A business owner should be free to refuse service to anyone for any reason, just as a worker should be free to refuse to work for any employer for any reason, just as a consumer should be free to refuse to patronize any business for any reason. Anything less is a gross violation of the most basic of human rights.

I disagree. We tried the 'white only' lunch counter. It didn't work out well.

States have undisputed authority over intrastate commerce. Its reasonable for them to require a minimum code of conduct for those engaged in commerce in their state. And among this, that they treat their customers fairly and equally.

And should they also be able to tell you who to work for, or which businesses to patronize, based on the same criteria?

 

[JoeB131]

Or she can just go into a business that doesn't require her to offend her imaginary sky pixie.

Wrong answer Joe

-Geaux

No, that's perfectly the right answer.

She can have a "religion", but her business is a PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION. Therefore, if she advertises a service, she has to provide it to anyone who asks for it, not just people who are in good graces with her sky pixie.

 

[Geaux4it]

Or she can just go into a business that doesn't require her to offend her imaginary sky pixie.

Wrong answer Joe

-Geaux

No, that's perfectly the right answer.

She can have a "religion", but her business is a PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION. Therefore, if she advertises a service, she has to provide it to anyone who asks for it, not just people who are in good graces with her sky pixie.

And why should this law be enforced, yet others like immigration are not?

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

I guess we need to take a look at all those +55 years of age or older housing/communities

So, I don't have to sell you a house in my development if you're not over 55.

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

And why should this law be enforced, yet others like immigration are not?

-Geaux

Because this law CAN be enforced. Fairly easily.

The problem with the immigration laws is that we all knowingly break them. We all hire those day-laborers who hang around the Home Depot. I suspect a lot of businesses who refuse to do business with "Those people' get away with it because no one complains about that, either.

SO really, the woman who blurts out to two gays she's known for years "I'm totally not going to do business with you because Jesus" is kind of like the Illegal who hangs outside the Immigration office all day with a sombrero.

 

[Freewill]

Or she can just go into a business that doesn't require her to offend her imaginary sky pixie.

Bigot.

 

[Mac1958]

Or she can just go into a business that doesn't require her to offend her imaginary sky pixie.

Wrong answer Joe

-Geaux

No, that's perfectly the right answer.

She can have a "religion", but her business is a PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION. Therefore, if she advertises a service, she has to provide it to anyone who asks for it, not just people who are in good graces with her sky pixie.

And why should this law be enforced, yet others like immigration are not?

-Geaux

Because these folks only care about laws they can leverage to intimidate and control.

Other laws? Meh, who cares.

.

 

[JoeB131]

I guess we need to take a look at all those +55 years of age or older housing/communities

So, I don't have to sell you a house in my development if you're not over 55.

-Geaux

Not sure what that has to do with anything, exactly.