Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[bodecea]

It was legal for the government to abuse the Jews in Germany just like it is legal for the government to abuse the florist in this example. Both are government tyranny, just different degrees. The mindset is the same. Government control.

And the Rainbow Reicht has already proven they will topple governors who speak out against gay marraige, or who arrest a major gay funds donor on suspicion of sodomizing a minor...what's one little florist to that militant manifesto?

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Perhaps they don't actually give a fiddler's **** about personal liberty or religious conviction......but Christian Sovereign Citizen arguments, where Christians can ignore any law they don't like.

But not Muslims, Hindus, Zorastrians, Buddhists or any other group. Just Christians.

Christians are not in any way ignoring God's law when they refuse to serve gay weddings. They are mandated to do so with those lifestyles as prescribed in the New Testament (the book they follow) in Jude 1. Jude 1 doesn't have any gray areas for interpretation. The punishment is as severe for those Christians doing nothing to stop the steamroller as it is for those actively giving it a leg-up.

What trumps...business law or the 1st Amendment? I think I know which one and you do too..

So a christian business can refuse to serve a Jewish or a Muslim wedding too?

 

[g5000]

Nonsense. Racism has always been the cancer of the left. Always.

So you are a left winger?

Who'd a thunk it?

 

[bodecea]

Only a truly ignorant fool would not know the Democrats of the 50s and 60s who opposed the civil rights movement were right wingers.

If you want to discuss this silly crap then be aware that a greater percentage of Republicans in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act than the Democrats.

I personally think it was the wrong thing to do to pass the Act but both the Republicans and Democrats disagreed with the concept of personal liberty and voted for the thing anyhow.

If you're going to "discuss this crap" then you should realize that the vote went down on regional lines, not political ones. It was the racist South against the progressive North, period.

Nonsense. Racism has always been the cancer of the left. Always.

Wow.....talk about revisionist history.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Nonsense. Racism has always been the cancer of the left. Always.

This, from the party of Christian Whities.

 

[BlindBoo]

Only a truly ignorant fool would not know the Democrats of the 50s and 60s who opposed the civil rights movement were right wingers.

If you want to discuss this silly crap then be aware that a greater percentage of Republicans in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act than the Democrats.

I personally think it was the wrong thing to do to pass the Act but both the Republicans and Democrats disagreed with the concept of personal liberty and voted for the thing anyhow.

It passed because of the coalition between Northern Democrats and Northern Republicans.

 

[g5000]

Nonsense. Racism has always been the cancer of the left. Always.

It must be very, very, very weird inside that head of yours. I imagine it to be something like this:

Honk if you love Obama!

 

[hipeter924]

Just like the cake shop, this florist shop has broken the state anti-discrimination law, if you don't like the law then lobby to repeal it rather than blaming 'the gays', who are only a small minority of the state's total voting population and legislators.

If something is against the law you get fined or put in prison, and it doesn't matter whether it is 'fair', as judges and juries have to follow the law - and can't dismiss a case because it is 'unfair'.

If you change or amend the law to exclude businesses that refuse service on basis of refusal to participate even indirectly in a same-sex marriage; then this business would not be in trouble.

The florist can fight it forever, and it will her nowhere but into debt and lose her business. As an exclusion on same-sex marriage grounds is not in the law.

 

[Flash]

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If you're going to "discuss this crap" then you should realize that the vote went down on regional lines, not political ones. It was the racist South against the progressive North, period.

You can do all kinds of analysis but the fact remains that a greater percentage of Republicans voted for it than Democrats. Live with it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Only a truly ignorant fool would not know the Democrats of the 50s and 60s who opposed the civil rights movement were right wingers.

And from the South.

Does being in the south automatically make us racist?

Are you that stupid?

Nope. Unlike you, I don't succumb to stereotypes.

I guess you are that stupid. The subject was specifically Southern Democrats who opposed the civil rights movement.

And you, retard, somehow heard "everyone from the South".

Isn't that what Boo said? Or do you not know a blanket statement when you see one?

 

[Ravi]

Sell him the flowers, he can get the banner elsewhere since in that situation those are Fighting Words, and therefore not protected. Personally, if I did banners, he can have whatever he likes up to the point where what he wants is illegal, as long as the check clears.

So a baker can bake a wedding cake for homos but refuse to put any wording or two little homos on the top of it?

I don't know why this is so difficult for you people to grasp. If you sell a product to person A, you cannot refuse to sell the same exact product to person B because they are gay, or black, or Christian, etc.

I don't sell to people who are rude to my staff, jerk us around about paying their invoices and for a bunch of other reasons. I also don't sell to people I don't think will buy enough. I don't sell to people for a bunch of reasons, they are all good reasons, but they are up to me, not you. Your hostility doesn't change that

None of those are protected by anti-discrimination law.

True. But what most liberals are arguing is that just by being in a business I am creating a contract I will do business with anyone. If that were true, I would be required to deal with those customers and I am not

No, what the liberals on this thread are saying is that to operate a business you must abide by local anti-discrimination laws.

 

[g5000]

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If you're going to "discuss this crap" then you should realize that the vote went down on regional lines, not political ones. It was the racist South against the progressive North, period.

You can do all kinds of analysis but the fact remains that a greater percentage of Republicans voted for it than Democrats. Live with it.

That is correct. In the aggregate, the northern liberal Republicans were in favor, while the conservative Democrats were opposed.

 

[kaz]

Nonsense. Racism has always been the cancer of the left. Always.

It must be very, very, very weird inside that head of yours. I imagine it to be something like this:

Honk if you love Obama!

Damn Republicans, that's why you are one, right?

 

[Flash]

Just like the cake shop, this florist shop has broken the state anti-discrimination law,w.

...and the law is wrong like many other laws. That doesn't excuse the fact that the State took the religious rights away from the Florists.

Democracy sucks sometimes and takes rights away from individuals and the great majority of stupid Left Wing Moon Bats that dominate Washington State politics is a great example of how abusive the majority can be sometimes.

 

[kaz]

So a baker can bake a wedding cake for homos but refuse to put any wording or two little homos on the top of it?

I don't know why this is so difficult for you people to grasp. If you sell a product to person A, you cannot refuse to sell the same exact product to person B because they are gay, or black, or Christian, etc.

I don't sell to people who are rude to my staff, jerk us around about paying their invoices and for a bunch of other reasons. I also don't sell to people I don't think will buy enough. I don't sell to people for a bunch of reasons, they are all good reasons, but they are up to me, not you. Your hostility doesn't change that

None of those are protected by anti-discrimination law.

True. But what most liberals are arguing is that just by being in a business I am creating a contract I will do business with anyone. If that were true, I would be required to deal with those customers and I am not

No, what the liberals on this thread are saying is that to operate a business you must abide by local anti-discrimination laws.

You need to read more of the discussion

 

[koshergrl]

So a baker can bake a wedding cake for homos but refuse to put any wording or two little homos on the top of it?

I don't know why this is so difficult for you people to grasp. If you sell a product to person A, you cannot refuse to sell the same exact product to person B because they are gay, or black, or Christian, etc.

I don't sell to people who are rude to my staff, jerk us around about paying their invoices and for a bunch of other reasons. I also don't sell to people I don't think will buy enough. I don't sell to people for a bunch of reasons, they are all good reasons, but they are up to me, not you. Your hostility doesn't change that

None of those are protected by anti-discrimination law.

True. But what most liberals are arguing is that just by being in a business I am creating a contract I will do business with anyone. If that were true, I would be required to deal with those customers and I am not

No, what the liberals on this thread are saying is that to operate a business you must abide by local anti-discrimination laws.

No, what liberals on this thread are saying is that if you're a Christian you will be fined by the state if you refuse to participate in rituals you don't want to participate in.

 

[g5000]

And from the South.

Does being in the south automatically make us racist?

Are you that stupid?

Nope. Unlike you, I don't succumb to stereotypes.

I guess you are that stupid. The subject was specifically Southern Democrats who opposed the civil rights movement.

And you, retard, somehow heard "everyone from the South".

Isn't that what Boo said? Or do you not know a blanket statement when you see one?

I said, "the Democrats of the 50s and 60s who opposed the civil rights movement were right wingers", and Boo completed the statement with, "and from the South." So the totality of the statement became, "The Democrats of the 50s and 60s who opposed the civil rights movement were right wingers and from the South."

 

[g5000]

No, what liberals on this thread are saying is that if you're a Christian you will be fined by the state if you refuse to participate in rituals you don't want to participate in.

Selling a cake is not a religious ritual.

A civil marriage ceremony isn't either.

So there is no violation of religious freedom here.

Can someone else maybe get this through this dense person's head?

 

[Skylar]

I don't know why this is so difficult for you people to grasp. If you sell a product to person A, you cannot refuse to sell the same exact product to person B because they are gay, or black, or Christian, etc.

I don't sell to people who are rude to my staff, jerk us around about paying their invoices and for a bunch of other reasons. I also don't sell to people I don't think will buy enough. I don't sell to people for a bunch of reasons, they are all good reasons, but they are up to me, not you. Your hostility doesn't change that

None of those are protected by anti-discrimination law.

True. But what most liberals are arguing is that just by being in a business I am creating a contract I will do business with anyone. If that were true, I would be required to deal with those customers and I am not

No, what the liberals on this thread are saying is that to operate a business you must abide by local anti-discrimination laws.

No, what liberals on this thread are saying is that if you're a Christian you will be fined by the state if you refuse to participate in rituals you don't want to participate in.

You're not performing any ritual by selling a cake. And if your religion makes the performance of a particular job impossible, find another job.

 

[SwimExpert]

She sounds like an old crank.

I'd be cranky also if the homos and state attacked my business

No one has attacked her business.

Buying flowers from a florist is an attack, dontchyaknow.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Just like the cake shop, this florist shop has broken the state anti-discrimination law,w.

...and the law is wrong like many other laws. That doesn't excuse the fact that the State took the religious rights away from the Florists.

Democracy sucks sometimes and takes rights away from individuals and the great majority of stupid Left Wing Moon Bats that dominate Washington State politics is a great example of how abusive the majority can be sometimes.

Democracy sucks all the time, according to the Founders, which is why we don't have one. And the people didn't get a vote on PA laws, nor should they have gotten a vote on gay marriage. Now you know.