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[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Lying doesn't work. It's being creative with the truth.

If someone asked me if I painted commissioned work I would truthfully say that I do not solicit commissions nor advertise that I am available for commissions.

All true.

But it may become necessary to lie and that's ok too. Like I said, let's see them prove that the cake artist's hand doesn't hurt. You can also keep the requisite supplies intentionally limited so as to claim credibly that you don't have it on hand.

The larger point is we Christians have had to operate underground before when persecution was rampant. And anyone who has lived through such times, like in WW2 Europe, knows that survival means deceiving the powers that be. As we approach the last days, and we are, things will swing full circle, as prophesied, nobody could buy or sell without the mark of perdition. What's happening right now is just the beginning and we need more survivors and fewer martyrs.

If you have to lie to have your faith, don't bother. And if you believe lying is allowed, don't call yourself a Christian since you aren't one.

You forget yourself. You are neither a Christian nor in ANY position to decide who is and what standards Christians must abide by. You done bumped your head, boy.

So....you wish to support the stand that it's ok for Christians to lie?

Yes. Next question.

 

[PratchettFan]

If income is reported and taxes are paid no one cares whether there is advertising or not.

Still doesn't erase 1st Amendment rights to daily exercise of one's core values.

Should be an interesting run before SCOTUS. Hobby Lobby comes to mind.

So you agree that federal courts can and should overrule state laws.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Lying doesn't work. It's being creative with the truth.

If someone asked me if I painted commissioned work I would truthfully say that I do not solicit commissions nor advertise that I am available for commissions.

All true.

But it may become necessary to lie and that's ok too. Like I said, let's see them prove that the cake artist's hand doesn't hurt. You can also keep the requisite supplies intentionally limited so as to claim credibly that you don't have it on hand.

The larger point is we Christians have had to operate underground before when persecution was rampant. And anyone who has lived through such times, like in WW2 Europe, knows that survival means deceiving the powers that be. As we approach the last days, and we are, things will swing full circle, as prophesied, nobody could buy or sell without the mark of perdition. What's happening right now is just the beginning and we need more survivors and fewer martyrs.

If you have to lie to have your faith, don't bother. And if you believe lying is allowed, don't call yourself a Christian since you aren't one.

You forget yourself. You are neither a Christian nor in ANY position to decide who is and what standards Christians must abide by. You done bumped your head, boy.

Maybe you should look up what Bearing False Witness means? It means lying, which is not allowed in your faith but to you that's perfectly fine. You're an insult to any actual Christian, and especially to Jesus.

 

[bodecea]

Lying doesn't work. It's being creative with the truth.

If someone asked me if I painted commissioned work I would truthfully say that I do not solicit commissions nor advertise that I am available for commissions.

All true.

But it may become necessary to lie and that's ok too. Like I said, let's see them prove that the cake artist's hand doesn't hurt. You can also keep the requisite supplies intentionally limited so as to claim credibly that you don't have it on hand.

The larger point is we Christians have had to operate underground before when persecution was rampant. And anyone who has lived through such times, like in WW2 Europe, knows that survival means deceiving the powers that be. As we approach the last days, and we are, things will swing full circle, as prophesied, nobody could buy or sell without the mark of perdition. What's happening right now is just the beginning and we need more survivors and fewer martyrs.

If you have to lie to have your faith, don't bother. And if you believe lying is allowed, don't call yourself a Christian since you aren't one.

You forget yourself. You are neither a Christian nor in ANY position to decide who is and what standards Christians must abide by. You done bumped your head, boy.

So....you wish to support the stand that it's ok for Christians to lie?

Yes. Next question.

Ok...so we have saintmichaeldefendthem stating clearly that it is ok for Christians to lie.

 

[Ravi]

It's okay for Christians to lie (remember the outrage over someone saying it was okay for Muslims to lie?) but it isn't okay for Christians to arrange flowers for gay people.

Too funny.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So you acknowledge it to be a made-up story.

I didn't say that at all.

Stop lying, Leftists!

Oh, so lying is an issue for you now? Since when, the last 8 seconds?

 

[WorldWatcher]

The muslim bakery in Westwood does the same thing. The stock answer is "just what's in the case."

What is the name of this bakery?


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Shouldn't be problem, with the name of this secret muslim bakery we can just verify that they don't offer wedding cakes as part of their public offerings.

Unless of course this is just another one of those made-up stories.


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You'll never know, asshat.

Sure I will.

There is no harm in looking at bakeries website to see if they offer wedding cakes as part of their standard advertisements. If he gives the name and they are there, then he lied. If he gives the name and the bakery makes cakes but doesn't advertise wedding cakes they his story could be true.

If he doesn't want to share the name of a public accommodation business, then it's just as likely he lied to make-up an imaginary bakery trying to make a point.

Either way it's easily resolved.


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[PaintMyHouse]

But it may become necessary to lie and that's ok too. Like I said, let's see them prove that the cake artist's hand doesn't hurt. You can also keep the requisite supplies intentionally limited so as to claim credibly that you don't have it on hand.

The larger point is we Christians have had to operate underground before when persecution was rampant. And anyone who has lived through such times, like in WW2 Europe, knows that survival means deceiving the powers that be. As we approach the last days, and we are, things will swing full circle, as prophesied, nobody could buy or sell without the mark of perdition. What's happening right now is just the beginning and we need more survivors and fewer martyrs.

If you have to lie to have your faith, don't bother. And if you believe lying is allowed, don't call yourself a Christian since you aren't one.

You forget yourself. You are neither a Christian nor in ANY position to decide who is and what standards Christians must abide by. You done bumped your head, boy.

So....you wish to support the stand that it's ok for Christians to lie?

Yes. Next question.

Ok...so we have saintmichaeldefendthem stating clearly that it is ok for Christians to lie.

And lie because they don't want to do the jobs they are paid for if that work is for homosexuals. Sorry Jesus, you would have been better off just living a quiet country life I guess. Dying for these people was a waste of your life, they don't care about anything but getting their way.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

So you acknowledge it to be a made-up story.

I didn't say that at all.

Stop lying, Leftists!

Oh, so lying is an issue for you now? Since when, the last 8 seconds?

I never misquote anyone. Perhaps you don't understand so let me put it this way...you Leftists lied up and down about Obamacare because you thought it was justified in order to pass a law that you felt America needed. EVERYONE feels that some lies are justified, even lying hypocrites like you.

 

[dblack]

What about boycotts based on protected classes? Shouldn't those be outlawed as well?

How about an example?

Boycotts of gay owned businesses. Or, Muslim owned, or [name your protected class] owned. Should the same legal principle be applied?

You can boycott any business you like. Business isn't protected from boycotts under PA law.

I understand the current legal status. I'm asking if you think it should be prohibited on the same grounds. Why is it any different?

 

[Katzndogz]

That's what the Christians did in Nigeria. That's what Christians do when they convert with the sword over their necks.

Renounce your faith or lose everything you have isn't exactly the kind of false witness Jesus had in mind. Liberals have no prohibition against lying which is why they say that gays are told they will not be served when they have been served for years.

Meanwhile learn the definition of false and the definition of witness.

 

[Silhouette]

If you have to lie to have your faith, don't bother. And if you believe lying is allowed, don't call yourself a Christian since you aren't one.

All Christians are sinners. They come to that faith with that as the requirement. That requirement never leaves them; or very rarely. You may have heard of saints? They are the uber-rare exception to the immense-rule.

The rest of them are sinners...ALL of them! Their sin however does not submit the Christian New Testament to democratic revision. There is no power of redaction via numbers. In the New Testament there are prescriptions of all types for this type of sinful behavior and that type of sinful behavior. Homosexuals are no different. Christians are urged to reach out to them with compassion "making a difference".

Venial sins vs mortal sins are what's being discussed particularly with respect to so-called "gay marriage". Being a homosexual is a venial sin; its mendable, forgivable, deserving of tolerance and compassion. HOWEVER, enabling a homosexual to call what he does "normal" or to spread that idea to others, particularly an entire culture or settlement of people is UNFORGIVABLE. The prescription for that is the eternal death in the pit of fire.

You cannot ask a Christian to do that. You cannot mandate a Christian to do that. There is no mitigation for that transgression. And that is because a homosexual cultural value replaces normal values and from there the bastardization of the New Testament Teachings becomes indelible. It would be like saying "lying is the new vogue, incorporate lying into the fabric, the hub (marriage=equivalent) of human society" instead of "lying is a sin, extend compassion to the liars and bring them to the fold".

 

[bodecea]

So you acknowledge it to be a made-up story.

I didn't say that at all.

Stop lying, Leftists!

Oh, so lying is an issue for you now? Since when, the last 8 seconds?

I never misquote anyone. Perhaps you don't understand so let me put it this way...you Leftists lied up and down about Obamacare because you thought it was justified in order to pass a law that you felt America needed. EVERYONE feels that some lies are justified, even lying hypocrites like you.

So...you want to deflect to Obamacare and run away from this topic...........why? Because you cannot defend either your position on the thread or your stated support of lying.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So you acknowledge it to be a made-up story.

I didn't say that at all.

Stop lying, Leftists!

Oh, so lying is an issue for you now? Since when, the last 8 seconds?

I never misquote anyone. Perhaps you don't understand so let me put it this way...you Leftists lied up and down about Obamacare because you thought it was justified in order to pass a law that you felt America needed. EVERYONE feels that some lies are justified, even lying hypocrites like you.

I see, so it's okay for the Christians to lie, even though it's forbidden, because everyone else who isn't a Christian does it. Tell us, is it okay for a Christian to sleep around on their spouse, you know, because everyone else does it? How about taking a few office supplies from work home? Everybody does it right?

 

[Silhouette]

See post #2092

 

[WorldWatcher]

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Search for Halal Bakey Westwood, here are the Yelp results.

Halal Westwood Los Angeles CA


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[PaintMyHouse]

If you have to lie to have your faith, don't bother. And if you believe lying is allowed, don't call yourself a Christian since you aren't one.

All Christians are sinners. They come to that faith with that as the requirement. That requirement never leaves them; or very rarely. You may have heard of saints? They are the uber-rare exception to the immense-rule.

The rest of them are sinners...ALL of them! Their sin however does not submit the Christian New Testament to democratic revision. There is no power of redaction via numbers. In the New Testament there are prescriptions of all types for this type of sinful behavior and that type of sinful behavior. Homosexuals are no different. Christians are urged to reach out to them with compassion "making a difference".

Venial sins vs mortal sins are what's being discussed particularly with respect to so-called "gay marriage". Being a homosexual is a venial sin; its mendable, forgivable, deserving of tolerance and compassion. HOWEVER, enabling a homosexual to call what he does "normal" or to spread that idea to others, particularly an entire culture or settlement of people is UNFORGIVABLE. The prescription for that is the eternal death in the pit of fire.

You cannot ask a Christian to do that. You cannot mandate a Christian to do that. There is no mitigation for that transgression. And that is because a homosexual cultural value replaces normal values and from there the bastardization of the New Testament Teachings becomes indelible. It would be like saying "lying is a sin, extend compassion to the liars and bring them to the fold" instead of "lying is the new vogue, incorporate lying into the fabric, the hub (marriage=equivalent) of human society".

So in order to avoid this "sin" of yours, you'll lie? Got it. Really Jesus, stop crying, we know they have nothing to do with you, nothing at all.

And little one, there is only one unforgivable sin, Blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Look it up.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

That's what the Christians did in Nigeria. That's what Christians do when they convert with the sword over their necks.

Renounce your faith or lose everything you have isn't exactly the kind of false witness Jesus had in mind. Liberals have no prohibition against lying which is why they say that gays are told they will not be served when they have been served for years.

Meanwhile learn the definition of false and the definition of witness.

Hey Jesus, sorry I had so little faith in you that when the choice was life on earth for a few more years or eternity with you in Heaven, I renounced you to stay here. I sure hope you don't mind that but of course I'd do it all over again if I had to, to stay alive because that matters more than my faith in you of course.

And I think it's pretty damn clear eh?

"There are six things that the LORD strongly dislikes, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers."

—Proverbs 6:16–19

And for Chief Sellout:


"In Jesus Christ, the whole of God's truth has been made manifest. "Full of grace and truth," he came as the "light of the world," he is the Truth.(John 1:14, 8:12, cf. 14:6) "Whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness." (John 12:46) The disciple of Jesus continues in his word so as to know "the truth [that] will make you free" and that sanctifies. (John 8:32, cf. 17:17) To follow Jesus is to live in "the Spirit of truth," whom the Father sends in his name and who leads "into all the truth."(John 16:13) To his disciples Jesus teaches the unconditional love of truth: "Let what you say be simply 'Yes or No.'"(Matthew 5:37)

— The Catholic Catechism[47]

 

[bodecea]

That's what the Christians did in Nigeria. That's what Christians do when they convert with the sword over their necks.

Renounce your faith or lose everything you have isn't exactly the kind of false witness Jesus had in mind. Liberals have no prohibition against lying which is why they say that gays are told they will not be served when they have been served for years.

Meanwhile learn the definition of false and the definition of witness.

Oh look....now Katzdogz wants us to believe that lyings isn't bearing false witness.

 

[Silhouette]

So in order to avoid this "sin" of yours, you'll lie? Got it. Really Jesus, stop crying, we know they have nothing to do with you, nothing at all.

And little one, there is only one unforgivable sin, Blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Look it up.

As you know, I don't lie about homosexuality. You are heavily engaged in lying about it. I am not. And that's what pisses you off about me.