Fisa documents released. Nunes memo thoroughly discredited.

[Sun Devil 92]

Let us know when the trial starts.

oh, I'm sure I will find that you are already here, trying to discredit and smear the third cousin twice removed of the judge's wife.

Why ?

Trump goes.....look who is on in the on-deck circle.

You'll be praying for Trump's return six months after he leaves.

No, I would prefer Pence be president. You don't have to explain to me who pence is, i live in Indiana.

So why would I care ?

Pence takes over and it's business as usual.

 

[2aguy]

Funny....the US IG report already cited FBI abused the FISA Courts...

Link to that. And not from some nutjob right wing site that says Obama was born in Kenya.

With the release of new documents, Devin Nunes’s memo on Carter Page has gotten even less credible

1. That the dossier of reports from former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele on behalf of the firm Fusion GPS were an “essential” part of the application.
2. That the fact that Fusion GPS was being paid by a law firm working for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee was never explicitly stated.
3. That neither Steele nor Fusion GPS are identified by name.
4. That the application cites a Yahoo News article from September 2016 that “does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News.” The application also incorrectly asserts that Steele wasn’t directly Yahoo’s source for the story.
5. That the application mentions another Trump campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos but that there is no evidence of cooperation between him and Page.

You can lie all you want but people can now actually compare the Nunez memo to the FISA application and see Nunez was right....why you keep lying is kind of amazing... you are either lying out of habit, or you are mentally ill...

Here... an actual breakdown of the Nunez memo compared to the application...... you should be ashamed of yourself, but since you are a left winger you aren't capable of shame...

FISA warrant application supports Nunes memo

The fifth paragraph:

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele's efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

That is accurate.

Readers will search the FISA application in vain for any specific mention of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign funding of the dossier. For the most part, names were not used in the application, but Donald Trump was referred to as "Candidate #1," Hillary Clinton was referred to as "Candidate #2," and the Republican Party was referred to as "Political Party #1." Thus, the FISA application could easily have explained that the dossier research was paid for by "Candidate #2" and "Political Party #2," meaning the Democrats. And yet the FBI chose to describe the situation this way, in a footnote: "Source #1...was approached by an identified U.S. person, who indicated to Source #1 that a U.S.-based law firm had hired the identified U.S. person to conduct research regarding Candidate #1's ties to Russia...The identified U.S. person hired Source #1 to conduct this research. The identified U.S. person never advised Source #1 as to the motivation behind the research into Candidate #1's ties to Russia. The FBI speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1's campaign."

Democrats argue that the FISA Court judges should have been able to figure out, from that obscure description, that the DNC and Clinton campaign paid for the dossier. That seems a pretty weak argument, but in any case, the Nunes memo's statement that the FISA application did not disclose or reference the role of the DNC and the Clinton campaign is undeniably true.

The sixth paragraph:

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of -- and paid by -- the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

That is accurate.

The seventh paragraph:

2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page’s July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News -- and several other outlets -- in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele's initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington DC in 2016 with Steele and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed.

Most of that is accurate. But when the Nunes memo was released, Democrats argued that the FISA application did not use the Yahoo article to corroborate the dossier, but rather -- as it used other news accounts of varying reliability -- to describe part of the Carter Page story. As it turned out, the application used part of the Yahoo piece in a way that suggested it was corroborating the dossier, but it also used part of it as a news account. So call the Nunes memo's corroboration claim only partly accurate.

The eighth paragraph:

a) Steele was suspended and then terminated as an FBI source for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations -- an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI in an October 30, 2016, Mother Jones article by David Corn. Steele should have been terminated for his previous undisclosed contacts with Yahoo and other outlets in September -- before the Page application was submitted to the FISC in October -- but Steele improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about those contacts.

That is accurate.

The ninth paragraph:

 

[Lewdog]

Yeah he is pushing Manafort because Flynn plead guilty. Gates plead guilty. Papadopolous plead guilty. The Dutch lawyer went to jail.

And the funny thing is, none of them plead guilty to anything that involves Russia or Trump.....

And the case against Flynn is crap as well.....the only reason he plead guilty was to keep mueller from attacking his son with financially crushing legal fees.

None of them have? You sure about that?

Yep.... they have them for lying to the FBI and bank fraud charges......

Yeah lying to the FBI about question on the Russia investigation.

Even strzok stated to comey that Flynn wasn't lying...as did the other FBI agents who interviewed him but mueller threatened to go after his son if the didn't take a guilty plea.

No that's not what was said. They said the agents didn't think he appeared to be lying. Agents are trained while doing interviews to look for keys to whether a person is being truthful or not. Now however, Flynn is a career government/military employee that was the head of part of the intelligence community. It's pretty obvious he knows how to pass a lie detector test. So him "not appearing" to lie doesn't mean he didn't lie.

 

[2aguy]

And the funny thing is, none of them plead guilty to anything that involves Russia or Trump.....

And the case against Flynn is crap as well.....the only reason he plead guilty was to keep mueller from attacking his son with financially crushing legal fees.

None of them have? You sure about that?

Yep.... they have them for lying to the FBI and bank fraud charges......

Yeah lying to the FBI about question on the Russia investigation.

Even strzok stated to comey that Flynn wasn't lying...as did the other FBI agents who interviewed him but mueller threatened to go after his son if the didn't take a guilty plea.

No that's not what was said. They said the agents didn't think he appeared to be lying. Agents are trained while doing interviews to look for keys to whether a person is being truthful or not. Now however, Flynn is a career government/military employee that was the head of part of the intelligence community. It's pretty obvious he knows how to pass a lie detector test. So him "not appearing" to lie doesn't mean he didn't lie.

and yet he didn't lie....... and the only way they got the guilty plea was to threaten his son with financial ruin.

 

[2aguy]

Funny....the US IG report already cited FBI abused the FISA Courts...

Link to that. And not from some nutjob right wing site that says Obama was born in Kenya.

With the release of new documents, Devin Nunes’s memo on Carter Page has gotten even less credible

1. That the dossier of reports from former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele on behalf of the firm Fusion GPS were an “essential” part of the application.
2. That the fact that Fusion GPS was being paid by a law firm working for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee was never explicitly stated.
3. That neither Steele nor Fusion GPS are identified by name.
4. That the application cites a Yahoo News article from September 2016 that “does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News.” The application also incorrectly asserts that Steele wasn’t directly Yahoo’s source for the story.
5. That the application mentions another Trump campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos but that there is no evidence of cooperation between him and Page.

And more about Nunez being accurate..

The twelfth paragraph:

4) According to the head of the counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its "infancy" at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele's reporting as only minimally corroborated. Yet, in early January 2017, Director Comey briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was -- according to his June 2017 testimony -- "salacious and unverified." While the FISA application relied on Steele's past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations. Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

That is accurate. The thirteenth, and final, paragraph:

5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok. Strzok was reassigned by the Special Counsel's Office to FBI Human Resources for improper text messages with his mistress, FBI Attorney Lisa Page (no known relation to Carter Page), where they both demonstrated a clear bias against Trump and in favor of Clinton, whom Strzok had also investigated. The Strzok/Lisa Page texts also reflect extensive discussions about the investigation, orchestrating leaks to the media, and include a meeting with Deputy Director McCabe to discuss an "insurance" policy against President Trump's election.


That is accurate.

 

[Maxdeath]

Immunity? It seems like everyone that cooperates in any way is announced before they even walk out of the meeting. Do you really expect anyone to buy that. If you will buy that I have a couple cans of air for a couple thousand a piece.

So you are basicly saying that the FBI and Mueller are sooo incompetent that after spying on Page since 2013. They still have nothing. They even wiretapped his communications which means by extension Trumps also yet nothing but a crappy FISA warrant not just once but a number of times.

Mueller is already asking for 5 anonymous people to get immunity in order to testify in the Manafort case.

I have those cans of air where should I send them?

Muller is still only pushing Manafort. His case has nothing to do with Page or Trump. You can dream all you want but do you really think that if Mueller had anything on either one of them Trump would still be sitting in the White House? No he would be waltzing Trump out in handcuffs and placing the crown on Hillary's head.

Yeah he is pushing Manafort because Flynn plead guilty. Gates plead guilty. Papadopolous plead guilty. The Dutch lawyer went to jail.

Have you noticed that not only is he pushing on cases that were long before Trump ever decided to run. He is also using a fifty year old law that only six have ever been indicted on but three of those have connections to Trump. Yet anyone with half a brain knows there are more then ten each and everyday that have not registered as foreign agents.

Do you have a mailing address for those cans yet?

He's pushing on cases that involve money. That's because money is what motivates and pushes everything. More than likely, if Russia does have anything on Trump, it is money related. It's just like with Al Capone, it can be too difficult to stick a conspiracy or murder charge on him, so they got him for tax evasion. It really didn't matter what the charge was, it put him behind bars, which is all that matters in the end.

You got to love how you keep trying to push the left agenda with nothing but a broken idea that something is going to happen. We are talking almost five years of spying, even wiretapping. If you can not come up with something in five years it is either not there or you are totally incompetent.

So you are agreeing that they had nothing on Page because he is far from buried in money. Flynn is not exactly a millionaire.

 

[WTP]

Got a couple of threads on this already. Still was a groundless investigation based on Democrat sponsored information gathering. Thanks for playing.

Who said the investigation was over, and the game has just started. And your welcome.

Just started?

Here comes the liar from the other thread who can't back up what he says.

You've managed to lie on one thread today, while laughing it off on another. You couldn't make it any easier. Thanks!

 

[AZGAL]

Someone like Nunes has had the courage to stand up for decency in governmental affairs. He is not discredited!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Pence takes over and it's business as usual

Yes, that would be a relief, if it was after the removal of a rogue, criminal president.

 

[miketx]

Got a couple of threads on this already. Still was a groundless investigation based on Democrat sponsored information gathering. Thanks for playing.

Who said the investigation was over, and the game has just started. And your welcome.

Just started?

Here comes the liar from the other thread who can't back up what he says.

You've managed to lie on one thread today, while laughing it off on another. You couldn't make it any easier. Thanks!

ya loon, you're responding to yourself!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Someone like Nunes has had the courage to stand up for decency in governmental affairs. He is not discredited!

Nunes has been throroughly discredited.

 

[2aguy]

Someone like Nunes has had the courage to stand up for decency in governmental affairs. He is not discredited!

Nunes has been throroughly discredited.

Again, as I told that moron, lewdog... you guys can lie all you want here, but we can actually compare the Nunez memo to the now released FISA application and it is obvious the FBI leadership lied and presented fake information to the FISA court judges...who should now themselves be investigated for removal from the bench...

Here is an actual look at the Nunez memo vs. the actual application document...... you can't lie anymore, and since you are, you are showing that you are an asshat ...

FISA warrant application supports Nunes memo!

 

[bripat9643]

To this point I haven't see even one indictment that could be related to the warrant that started the whole collusion delusion.

Exactly my point. But yes, i canI can point to indictments that arose out of russian meddling. The suspicion of collusion between Trump campaign people and Russia comes f more than from only the actions and words of page, as everyone knows.

The indictments all arose from a phony "dossier" and an illegal warrant. None of them have any connection with Russian meddling. No matter how you try to spin it, people know a witch hunt when they see one.

 

[Lewdog]

None of them have? You sure about that?

Yep.... they have them for lying to the FBI and bank fraud charges......

Yeah lying to the FBI about question on the Russia investigation.

Even strzok stated to comey that Flynn wasn't lying...as did the other FBI agents who interviewed him but mueller threatened to go after his son if the didn't take a guilty plea.

No that's not what was said. They said the agents didn't think he appeared to be lying. Agents are trained while doing interviews to look for keys to whether a person is being truthful or not. Now however, Flynn is a career government/military employee that was the head of part of the intelligence community. It's pretty obvious he knows how to pass a lie detector test. So him "not appearing" to lie doesn't mean he didn't lie.

and yet he didn't lie....... and the only way they got the guilty plea was to threaten his son with financial ruin.

No, he knows how to lie without looking like he's lying. They teach you how to tell if someone is lying, and they teach you how to get away with lying.

 

[WTP]

Who said the investigation was over, and the game has just started. And your welcome.

Opens up Hillary to investigation more than Trump.

Sure opens up that can of worms... Points to Hillary and the deep state operatives under Obama...

How exactly? We need details, not some buzz words that tell us nothing. Play ball man. Quit hiding behind vague words that go no where.

 

[2aguy]

To this point I haven't see even one indictment that could be related to the warrant that started the whole collusion delusion.

Exactly my point. But yes, i canI can point to indictments that arose out of russian meddling. The suspicion of collusion between Trump campaign people and Russia comes f more than from only the actions and words of page, as everyone knows.

The indictments all arose from a phony "dossier" and an illegal warrant. None of them have any connection with Russian meddling. No matter how you try to spin it, people know a witch hunt when they see one.

They can't lie anymore..... the Nunez memo and the FISA application can now be compared.... and those two morons, lewdog and fort fun are lying about what they say...

 

[Lewdog]

Someone like Nunes has had the courage to stand up for decency in governmental affairs. He is not discredited!

Nunes has been throroughly discredited.

Again, as I told that moron, lewdog... you guys can lie all you want here, but we can actually compare the Nunez memo to the now released FISA application and it is obvious the FBI leadership lied and presented fake information to the FISA court judges...who should now themselves be investigated for removal from the bench...

Here is an actual look at the Nunez memo vs. the actual application document...... you can't lie anymore, and since you are, you are showing that you are an asshat ...

FISA warrant application supports Nunes memo!

Moron? Go ahead and link another opinion blog as your evidence.

 

[saveliberty]

Got a couple of threads on this already. Still was a groundless investigation based on Democrat sponsored information gathering. Thanks for playing.

Who said the investigation was over, and the game has just started. And your welcome.

Just started?

I thought the "game" part was also interesting.

Where's the skin in this game boys and girls. Just because it's Sunday doesn't mean you should draw up and quit like a bunch of whipped dogs. Or is it? The facts surrounding this farce of a scandal got you all by the tail I guess, huh?

This is more time than I normally devote to a liberal cut and paste. You just aren't very good and as such, not worthy.

 

[WTP]

Got a couple of threads on this already. Still was a groundless investigation based on Democrat sponsored information gathering. Thanks for playing.

Who said the investigation was over, and the game has just started. And your welcome.

Just started?

Here comes the liar from the other thread who can't back up what he says.

You've managed to lie on one thread today, while laughing it off on another. You couldn't make it any easier. Thanks!

ya loon, you're responding to yourself!

So why did you respond?

 

[2aguy]

Yep.... they have them for lying to the FBI and bank fraud charges......

Yeah lying to the FBI about question on the Russia investigation.

Even strzok stated to comey that Flynn wasn't lying...as did the other FBI agents who interviewed him but mueller threatened to go after his son if the didn't take a guilty plea.

No that's not what was said. They said the agents didn't think he appeared to be lying. Agents are trained while doing interviews to look for keys to whether a person is being truthful or not. Now however, Flynn is a career government/military employee that was the head of part of the intelligence community. It's pretty obvious he knows how to pass a lie detector test. So him "not appearing" to lie doesn't mean he didn't lie.

and yet he didn't lie....... and the only way they got the guilty plea was to threaten his son with financial ruin.

No, he knows how to lie without looking like he's lying. They teach you how to tell if someone is lying, and they teach you how to get away with lying.

If you weren't a left winger I would have to ask how you live with yourself and all the lies you tell....but being a left winger, your entire existence is a lie.