First Amendment Auditors, what is your opinion of them? I've gained a great deal of respect for Americans by watching them operate.

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For those who may not be familiar with this First Amendment Auditors, here is a description from A.I:

First Amendment auditors are individuals or groups who engage in activities designed to test and evaluate the adherence of public officials, particularly law enforcement and government employees, to First Amendment rights, primarily the right to free speech and the right to record in public spaces. Their activities often involve filming or recording in public areas, including government buildings, police stations, and other facilities, while challenging any perceived infringement on their rights.


Further from A.I: The purpose of these audits is typically to promote awareness and understanding of constitutional rights, as well as to hold public officials accountable for their actions. Auditors often record their encounters with law enforcement or government personnel, and these videos are frequently shared on platforms like YouTube and social media.

Now, I am not one to engage in these tactics, they seem somewhat rabble rouser for me, though it is long past time this type of audit was conducted in Canada as civil liberties have been trampled for decades. Regardless, I have a measure of respect for these people, in general, because they are essentially holding their own government to account. Also, for the most part, I've been impressed with American police who are far less heavy handed and far more willing to talk to citizens in their efforts to UPHOLD your Constitution, not violate it, (at least those in uniform while on camera); unlike dishonest covert police in Canada who violate our Charter and destroy Canadas reputation.

If the "broken windows" theory if applicable to crime, wouldn't the same concept be applicable to policing? One day you are carding citizens walking down the street, the next you are entering their homes and destroying lives on a whim or because a family member doesn't like them.

It's why I am outspoken about the abuses of power, be they against a homeless man or against Donald Trump. I have been very outspoken about the abuses of his rights since day one and the absurd use of the law to apply record fines against a guy who didn't commit a crime and in which no one was unhappy with the business transaction.

Trump can be transformational in so many ways. There is a reason so many black men voted for him, many of them have also had their Constitutional Rights trampled on.

What say you all?
 
What say you all?

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For the most part these peoples First Amendment Rights are upheld. Often with police needing to refer to their superiors but it at least gets corrected.

I've seen some guys who swear at cops and act like fools, these idiots don't have my respect as they are just trying to egg on a violent response. Even though the violence is not acceptable, people shouldn't be acting like fools for the sake of some ulterior motive.

For the most part though, the auditors or relaxed and professional and so are the police most of the time. There are exceptions though for sure and I've seen videos of cops losing their jobs over violating peoples rights. Something which would NEVER happen in Canada, which is a big reason why our economy is in deep, deep trouble.
 
Well we have a constitution of 'rights' here Shocked one , every last one of which are null & void when a 'national emergency' is declared


which we've been under for the last 1/2 century>>>


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I watch their videos on YouTube

They are usually legally within their rights, but act like assholes to provoke police
 
I watch their videos on YouTube

They are usually legally within their rights, but act like assholes to provoke police
Some of them are, no doubt.

But I see many more examples of police being assholes to them, lying about the law, making vague threats, and getting mad when they are called on it.

Often government employees are worse than police in trying to assume powers that they don't have. The police know they are lying, but the govemps really think they can just order taxpayers around and must be obeyed.
 
I'd recommend Long Island Audit, and KULT News.

Some others just act like jerks and even though they are right about their rights, I find them obnoxious.
 
Some of them are, no doubt.

But I see many more examples of police being assholes to them, lying about the law, making vague threats, and getting mad when they are called on it.

Often government employees are worse than police in trying to assume powers that they don't have. The police know they are lying, but the govemps really think they can just order taxpayers around and must be obeyed.
I have seen videos where police act like thugs when someone denies ID

In many cases I see, the police are being polite and are trying to figure out who someone is after receiving a complaint
The auditor does not return the politeness
 
I have seen videos where police act like thugs when someone denies ID

In many cases I see, the police are being polite and are trying to figure out who someone is after receiving a complaint
The auditor does not return the politeness
Both type interactions happen. I see more of the auditor being as professional as they can while being yelled at and threatened by people with guns. But that is probably because I avoid the rude auditors.
 
The fact that this is being enforced by citizens is unique I assure you. Do NOT become like us. We are the enemy of Judeo-Christian values.
 
Both type interactions happen. I see more of the auditor being as professional as they can while being yelled at and threatened by people with guns. But that is probably because I avoid the rude auditors.

A lot of these are people just walking down the street or passengers in a car who refuse ID as is their right

But sometimes it’s a guy standing outside someone’s business making videos and the Cops are called and ask…..who are you, why are you here?
 
A lot of these are people just walking down the street or passengers in a car who refuse ID as is their right

But sometimes it’s a guy standing outside someone’s business making videos and the Cops are called and ask…..who are you, why are you here?
Your rights matter. Countless men died for them. These rights don't always matter to governments outside of America....
 
A lot of these are people just walking down the street or passengers in a car who refuse ID as is their right

But sometimes it’s a guy standing outside someone’s business making videos and the Cops are called and ask…..who are you, why are you here?
Sure, and when the auditor declines to give ID or answer questions, then we see how well trained the particular officers are - or whether they take what they learned seriously. I suspect that for many of them, regardless of the formal training they get, they are more influenced by the old Sarge telling them, "I never let nobody tell me they aren't going to ID."
 
For those who may not be familiar with this First Amendment Auditors, here is a description from A.I:

First Amendment auditors are individuals or groups who engage in activities designed to test and evaluate the adherence of public officials, particularly law enforcement and government employees, to First Amendment rights, primarily the right to free speech and the right to record in public spaces. Their activities often involve filming or recording in public areas, including government buildings, police stations, and other facilities, while challenging any perceived infringement on their rights.


Further from A.I: The purpose of these audits is typically to promote awareness and understanding of constitutional rights, as well as to hold public officials accountable for their actions. Auditors often record their encounters with law enforcement or government personnel, and these videos are frequently shared on platforms like YouTube and social media.

Now, I am not one to engage in these tactics, they seem somewhat rabble rouser for me, though it is long past time this type of audit was conducted in Canada as civil liberties have been trampled for decades. Regardless, I have a measure of respect for these people, in general, because they are essentially holding their own government to account. Also, for the most part, I've been impressed with American police who are far less heavy handed and far more willing to talk to citizens in their efforts to UPHOLD your Constitution, not violate it, (at least those in uniform while on camera); unlike dishonest covert police in Canada who violate our Charter and destroy Canadas reputation.

If the "broken windows" theory if applicable to crime, wouldn't the same concept be applicable to policing? One day you are carding citizens walking down the street, the next you are entering their homes and destroying lives on a whim or because a family member doesn't like them.

It's why I am outspoken about the abuses of power, be they against a homeless man or against Donald Trump. I have been very outspoken about the abuses of his rights since day one and the absurd use of the law to apply record fines against a guy who didn't commit a crime and in which no one was unhappy with the business transaction.

Trump can be transformational in so many ways. There is a reason so many black men voted for him, many of them have also had their Constitutional Rights trampled on.

What say you all?
Just because something is "not a crime" or more specifically, not a violation of a criminal code, doesn't mean they haven't violated one of our legal statutes.

An offhand example is stalking & harassment. There are civil statutes and criminal statutes, so while a person whose behavior may not rise to the level of a criminal offense, they can still possibly be held liable for violation of the civil statutes.

Therefore It is NOT correct to claim that Trump didn't do anything and that no one was unhappy because 1) that's not how the laws work and 2) Trump admitted to the scheme. An adult having a consensual relationship with an underage person is still committing statutory rape even when neither party in the "relationship" is "unhappy" simply because "children" cannot legally grant consent.

Other than that, I appreciate your bringing up the topic of "first amendment auditors". I don't recall hearing this phrase before.

Merry Christmas!
 
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I've seen some guys who swear at cops and act like fools, these idiots don't have my respect as they are just trying to egg on a violent response. Even though the violence is not acceptable, people shouldn't be acting like fools for the sake of some ulterior motive.
You shouldn't assume you know why some people behave the way they do. Sometimes people are just fed up at the abuse and mistreatment and just can't tolerate it any further, even if it means putting themselves in peril by standing up.
 
So after watching some of these, there is a drastic difference between how some "auditors" act compared to others.

Also, the U.S is FAR more supportive of free speech and access for the public. Police in Ontario have arrested people, dropped the charges after they realized "yep, he had a right to film in public" and then faced a lawsuit from the guy.

This is going to put immense pressure on certain police forces who have been slowly but surely violating rights in Canada, especially in Ontario.

Also, the Canadian auditors and their channels are far less professional than the American ones. Many of your auditors provide detailed explanations of the laws in that state, court cases etc.

I'm not sure if it is your history or the number of military members you have, but it very different, especially southern towns. You have chief of police just saying "have a good day, you can walk and record as you please". I've seen hit and miss in big places like New York truth be told.

Some of the auditors are idiots purposely trying to rile up people. Others have their act down pat and are pros.
 
Some of the auditors are idiots purposely trying to rile up people. Others have their act down pat and are pros.

Some know the law and politely explain it to police as they refuse ID

Others provoke a confrontation and are intentionally rude and insulting to police trying to provoke them
 

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