Fire every federal bureaucrat/employee caught undermining the administration.

[rightwinger]

And the Constitution says the President is their boss, and all their powers flow from him via him being the elected leader of the Executive Branch.

Federal Employees swear to defend our nations laws, not our leaders

 

[Contumacious]

Once more. That suggests putting an ex-president in jail

Instead they just got a search warrant to retrieve the documents.

NO it doesn't.

It is up to the court to DETERMINE IF THE SUBPOENA WAS VALID AND PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD A LEGITIMATE REASON FOR REFUSING TO COMPLY

it is punishable by jail if there is CRIMINAL Comptempt , i.e. , the party goes to court and says something disrespectful before the judge = this would have been CIVIL Contempt


NONE OF THAT WAS DETERMINED

 

[martybegan]

FYI, the Federal Employee Oath of Office:

"I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same"

The Constitution, not a President.

I thought we all knew that.

https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdfimage/sf61.pdf

The Constitution says the powers of the executive are vested in the President.

So some unelected clerk gets to decide how the executive branch is supposed to act?

 

[Marener]

And yet they knew he had them, so how was that hiding them?

Not sure exactly what you mean. They didn’t “know” anything for sure, but had reasonable suspicion after an investigation in order to get a search warrant to forcibly search the property and find the documents he was hiding.

 

[postman]

Muslims from about 90% of the world were not banned.

Once more with gusto.

I told you Trump was incompetent.

He didn't get Mexico to pay for the wall either.

 

[martybegan]

Federal Employees swear to defend our nations laws, not our leaders

Enforcing those federal laws is the responsibility of the President, the member of the executive branch given the powers under the Constitution. anything some clerk gets is delegated from him.

 

[Foxfyre]

What is illegal about using a SWAT team to arrest a criminal suspect?

If you don't know you shouldn't be using Stephen Friend as an example.

You still haven't answered my question specifically to you as to whether federal employees who use their jobs to undermine the President legitimate authority, policies, agenda should be fired.

 

[postman]

And the Constitution says the President is their boss, and all their powers flow from him via him being the elected leader of the Executive Branch.

Not all.
I can name 600,000 federal employees who don't take orders from the president.

 

[Foxfyre]

All the courts upheld all the January 6th arrests and prosecutions to be 100% legal.

Not just somebodies opinion.

Immaterial and non responsive to the post you are responding to here.

 

[postman]

And yet they knew he had them, so how was that hiding them?

Too easy.

I told you Trump was incompetent.

 

[Contumacious]

To the contrary, Federal employees swear an oath to defend the Constitution

irrelevant , many of those motherfuckers haven't gone to work in 4 years


Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. James Comer, R-Ky., isn’t playing around when it comes to bringing federal employees back to the office. In the committee’s first hearing of the 119th Congress, Comer delivered remarks slamming the Biden administration’s "failure" to get federal employees back to the office.

Comer calls out Biden's ‘failure’ to get federal employees to return to the office, vows to get it done​

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Comer calls out Biden's ‘failure’ to get federal employees to return to the office, vows to get it done

Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. James Comer, R-Ky., stressed the importance of bringing federal employees back into the office and ending current telework policies.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Marener]

If you don't know you shouldn't be using Stephen Friend as an example.

I do know and there’s nothing illegal about it.

Stephen Friend used his job to undermine the agenda of the president and should be fired with no benefits. Right?

 

[rightwinger]

irrelevant , many of those motherfuckers haven't gone to work in 4 years


Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. James Comer, R-Ky., isn’t playing around when it comes to bringing federal employees back to the office. In the committee’s first hearing of the 119th Congress, Comer delivered remarks slamming the Biden administration’s "failure" to get federal employees back to the office.

Comer calls out Biden's ‘failure’ to get federal employees to return to the office, vows to get it done​

​

Comer calls out Biden's ‘failure’ to get federal employees to return to the office, vows to get it done

Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. James Comer, R-Ky., stressed the importance of bringing federal employees back into the office and ending current telework policies.

www.foxnews.com

They have all gone to work

 

[Mac1958]

Federal Employees swear to defend our nations laws, not our leaders

It may end up that a lot of people are going to have some tough choices to make.

Do you think our top intelligence officials, or our (former) allies, are going to be tempted to watch what they say and give to Gabbard? Our what our top military brass divulge to the unqualified drunk sexual abuser teevee propagandist? Our what our best health people are going to say to that loopy teevee show host or the whacked out conspiracy theorist with brain worms? Or what our top education people are going to say to the fucking pro wrestling lady?

The list goes on. I wouldn't want to be those federal employees. They might have to put their careers on the line to uphold their oath.

 

[Foxfyre]

To the contrary, Federal employees swear an oath to defend the Constitution

Correct. And that means they are hired to follow the orders of the legitimate authority of the President of the United States and/or those he delegates authority and serve the people by further the President's legal policies and agenda.

Will you agree that those who refuse to do that or who use their jobs to undermine the Presidents legitimate authority, policies, agenda should be at the very least fired?

 

[postman]

Correct. And that means they are hired to follow the orders of the legitimate authority of the President of the United States and/or those he delegates authority and serve the people by further the President's legal policies and agenda.

So when Trump suggested dropping nukes on hurricanes. The national security team shouldn't have opposed it?

 

[Foxfyre]

I do know and there’s nothing illegal about it.

Stephen Friend used his job to undermine the agenda of the president and should be fired with no benefits. Right?

Show me the evidence that the order was legal. I can't find anything that says it was.

Again, however, Friend should have had a legitimate hearing and determination that he refused to obey a LEGAL order. If he did he should be fired. If he did not, regardless of whether we think the order should have been legal or not, he should be exonerated and whoever ordered the illegal order should be the one(s) disciplined.

Do you or do you not believe federal employees who refuse to do their legitimate jobs and/or undermine the legitimate authority of the President, his policies and agenda should be fired?

 

[Contumacious]

They have all gone to work

 

[Marener]

Show me the evidence that the order was legal. I can't find anything that says it was.

Again, however, Friend should have had a legitimate hearing and determination that he refused to obey a LEGAL order. If he did he should be fired. If he did not, regardless of whether we think the order should have been legal or not, he should be exonerated and whoever ordered the illegal order should be the one(s) disciplined.

Do you or do you not believe federal employees who refuse to do their legitimate jobs and/or undermine the legitimate authority of the President, his policies and agenda should be fired?

Show me the judicial decision that the raid was illegal?

Individuals are arrested by SWAT teams all the time. I’ve never seen any case that would demonstrate such arrests are illegal and cannot think of any case to be made against it.

Friend is merely a partisan who refused to carry out the agenda of the elected administration.

The answer to your question is maybe.

 

[postman]

Show me the evidence that the order was legal. I can't find anything that says it was.

How about the some-odd thousand J6 people either in jail, or about to be in jail.