Fire every federal bureaucrat/employee caught undermining the administration.

[Foxfyre]

Trump is unique.
I worked for Presidents from Carter to Obama and never was required to do anything I considered to be unethical or illegal.
I feel I would have had to disobey Trump

For example…

Trump team questioning civil servants at National Security Council about loyalty

A U.S. official says the nonpolitical employees are being asked about their votes, political contributions and social media posts Trump's team considers incriminating.

whyy.org

Trump is demanding to know who federal workers voted for, what political contributions they have made, what they have posted online. Those actions are protected by the Hatch Act.

I would have declined to answer

Assuming the story is true and doesn't leave out any extenuating issues, I might refuse too if I wasn't given a good reason they needed that information. I would have more confidence in the report if they had any on the record sources.

But I can also see why the President needs people on the National Security Council that he can trust to do their jobs within the legitimate agenda he and his team set down. That would include ability to keep confidential what needs to be confidential.

Refusal to furnish personal information that is not required in your job description should not be a firing offense. But it would be justification in a role requiring security clearance and ability/temperament to do a specific job to be moved to a less sensitive area. Trump was sabotaged several times in his first term by moles placed to gather conversations or whatever and leak those to the press. That in turn gave unscrupulous Democrats like Adam Schiff license to conduct lengthy and costly investigations geared to find somebody, ANYBODY, who could nail Trump with a crime. (He failed miserably to do that when every single one of his star witnesses could not testify that they had seen Trump do anything illegal or improper.)

Trump aims to avoid that kind of waste of time as much as possible in this term.

Can you blame him?

And by the way, those trusted employees who leaked sensitive and selective information to the press deserved to be fired on the spot.

 

[rightwinger]

Refusal to furnish personal information that is not required in your job description should not be a firing offense. But it would be justification in a role requiring security clearance and ability/temperament to do a specific job to be moved to a less sensitive area

Who you vote for has nothing to do with your security clearance or your ability to do your job.
Trump demanding to know your political affiliation and who you voted for is a gross violation of the Civil Service Act.
That act was enacted over a hundred years ago to prevent a partisan government workforce. Along with the Hatch Act which prohibits political involvement of Government employees….it protects both the employee and elected officials
Trumps plans for the Federal workforce borders on Fascism

 

[Dragonlady]

Here is what Trump is having to deal with even before taking office. We saw it played out by FBI personnel et al in his first administration and no doubt it will continue, i.e. federal bureaucrats/employees intentionally undermining and/or sabotaging the President and his agenda.



I want Congress to pass a law mandating that any bureaucrat/employee/appointee who is caught and confirmed in deliberately sabotaging or otherwise interfering with the elected leadership can be immediately fired and will be entitled to no benefits. If sufficiently severe, the person can be indicted and tried for criminal acts.

No President can do his job as effectively with this kind of deep state subversion going on.

Federal employees must be instructed and must agree to work faithfully for the people's choice as their leaders or they must be out.

That of course would not apply to honest whistle blowers who go through proper channels to report any obvious malfeasance going on within the government.

I have seen posted on social media that Mannina was fired over the incident in the link but I have not confirmed that.

There have been multiple reports of illegal threats made against members of the civil service from people like Kash Patel and others awaiting appointment approvals.

 

[Contumacious]

Who you vote for has nothing to do with your security clearance or your ability to do your job.
Trump demanding to know your political affiliation and who you voted for is a gross violation of the Civil Service Act.
That act was enacted over a hundred years ago to prevent a partisan government workforce. Along with the Hatch Act which prohibits political involvement of Government employees….it protects both the employee and elected officials
Trumps plans for the Federal workforce borders on Fascism

WHAT ?!?!?

Oh I see , you are a Socialist Demon Rat who , of course , has never heard of the US Constitution

Article II​

Section 1​

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.

 

[Foxfyre]

Who you vote for has nothing to do with your security clearance or your ability to do your job.
Trump demanding to know your political affiliation and who you voted for is a gross violation of the Civil Service Act.
That act was enacted over a hundred years ago to prevent a partisan government workforce. Along with the Hatch Act which prohibits political involvement of Government employees….it protects both the employee and elected officials
Trumps plans for the Federal workforce borders on Fascism

We currently have a hugely partisan work force so so much for the intentions of the Civil Service Act or Hatch act. That was greatly and intentionally exacerbated during the eight years of the Obama administration. A Republican or conservative had little to no chance to be hired in the federal government. Even now the Federal Personnel Management Office is made up of 100% Democrats. Most likely partisan, even militant Democrats.

You probably intentionally ignored my argument for why Trump's approach to all this is based on experience and common sense and in no way interferes with his intention that he promote the common good. Right or wrong it is nothing even close to fascism.

But he can't do his job or put his policies/agenda into effect effectively if he has federal bureaucrats/employees/appointees deliberately trying to derail him.

 

[Dragonlady]

O'Keefe wasn't doing the indicting though. He is just reporting. We need an executive branch with authority of Congress and a dedicated DOJ who can and will indict when that is warranted though.

You had that. You simply did not like who was being indicted. You’re still denying that Trump and his minions have committed any of the crimes which they have been charged with.

You have denied all of the evidence and called everyone involved, liars and partisans. You refuse to admit, you elected a convicted criminal.



Furthermore, you made false claims with those who are not indicted, were somehow protected from on high by the “deep state”.

 

[Dragonlady]

WHAT ?!?!?

Oh I see , you are a Socialist Demon Rat who , of course , has never heard of the US Constitution

Article II​

Section 1​

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.

Yes, the “executive power”. Not the “absolute power”.

There are three coequal branches of power: the executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch. No branch has more power than each of the other two.

The president is the servant of the people, not the other way around. Trump wants to be king and that’s not what the president does.

You need to take a civics class

 

[Contumacious]

We currently have a hugely partisan work force so so much for the intentions of the Civil Service Act or Hatch act. That was greatly and intentionally exacerbated during the eight years of the Obama administration. A Republican or conservative had little to no chance to be hired in the federal government. Even now the Federal Personnel Management Office is made up of 100% Democrats. Most likely partisan, even militant Democrats.

You probably intentionally ignored my argument for why Trump's approach to all this is based on experience and common sense and in no way interferes with his intention that he promote the common good. Right or wrong it is nothing even close to fascism.

A Joe BuyTHem EO strengthened the Civil Servants Power -

Executive Order on Protecting the Federal Workforce | The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1.

www.whitehouse.gov

Executive Order on Protecting the Federal Workforce​

 

[rightwinger]

We currently have a hugely partisan work force so so much for the intentions of the Civil Service Act or Hatch act.

You probably intentionally ignored my argument for why Trump's approach to all this is based on experience and common sense and in no way interferes with his intention that he promote the common good. Not fascism.

Because of the Civil Service Act and the Hatch Act, we have a nonpartisan workforce. You are prohibited from discussing politics or pushing a political view at work. I did not know the political affiliation of my supervisors and they did not know mine.
No, Trumps approach is not based on common sense. It is based on his frustration in not being able to force his political views on the workforce and their insistence to follow the law.
Hitler and Mussolini were fascists. So were several S American dictators. They insisted on stocking their government with political loyalists. That is what Trump is doing

 

[Foxfyre]

Because of the Civil Service Act and the Hatch Act, we have a nonpartisan workforce. You are prohibited from discussing politics or pushing a political view at work. I did not know the political affiliation of my supervisors and they did not know mine.
No Trumps approach is not based on common sense. It is based on his frustration in not being able to force his political views on the workforce and their insistence to follow the law.
Hitler and Mussolini were fascists. So were several S American dictators. They insisted on stocking their government with political loyalists. That is what Trump is doing

How can a workforce that hires only Democrats and donates mostly to Democrats be considered non partisan?

And stocking the workforce with people who know what their jobs are and do them efficiently and effectively is what competent managers do. Even in the federal government. If that means the people are loyal to the manager's policies and agenda, well that's a very good and desirable thing when those are good policies and a good agenda.

What good manager can do his/her job effectively with people who are actively working to undermine him/her any way they can? What good manager would keep such people when they become obvious?

 

[Contumacious]

Yes, the “executive power”. Not the “absolute power”.

There are three coequal branches of power: the executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch. No branch has more power than each of the other two.

The president is the servant of the people, not the other way around. Trump wants to be king and that’s not what the president does.

You need to take a civics class

WHAT ?


So Article II Section 1 was amended ?

The EXECUTIVE POWER is now distributed equally with the legislative and Judicial branches ?!?!?!?!?

Shut the fuck up .

If you are a civil servant employee assigned to the EXECUTIVE BRANCH Donald J Trump is you boss.

 

[Foxfyre]

WHAT ?


So Article II Section 1 was amended ?

The EXECUTIVE POWER is not distributed equally with the legislative and Judicial branches ?!?!?!?!?

Shut the fuck up .

If you are a civil servant employee assigned to the EXECUTIVE BRANCH Donald J Trump is you boss.

That last point is one leftists can't seem to get through their heads.

That and that Donald Trump is the people's choice to be that boss for the next four years.

 

[konradv]

Show your evidence for that or find some other thread to troll please.

Who does it help and who made you the board cop?!

 

[Marener]

Trump demands FEC strip CBS of their broadcast license. This would be a political order and no federal employee should follow it.

Trump demands CBS be stripped of licence over edited Harris interview

FCC chair denounces ex-president’s threats and denies possibility of broadcast station’s licence being revoked

www.theguardian.com

 

[Contumacious]

That last point is one leftists can't seem to get through their heads.

That and that Donald Trump is the people's choice to be that boss for the next four years.

Of course, but the SOBs somehow believe that they can ignore that fact

 

[Contumacious]

Trump demands FEC strip CBS of their broadcast license. This would be a political order and no federal employee should follow it.

Trump demands CBS be stripped of licence over edited Harris interview

FCC chair denounces ex-president’s threats and denies possibility of broadcast station’s licence being revoked

www.theguardian.com

Concur, Independent TV Stations should not have to have a license , ie, a permit.

But is CBS an independent TV Station ? Isn't it a fact that Senator Frank Church proved that the MSM had been infiltrated and is controlled by the CIA?

 

[rightwinger]

How can a workforce that hires only Democrats and donates mostly to Democrats be considered non partisan?

Interesting point
Republicans since Reagan have attacked civil service employees. Calling them lazy, worthless, attacking their wages and benefits.
Why would they vote Republican?

 

[Foxfyre]

Of course, but the SOBs somehow believe that they can ignore that fact

Yep. And because 'orange man bad', he isn't a legitimate President and they should be able to do anything to him they want. And they can ignore his policies and agenda.

And so far not a single one has addressed the premise of the OP but come up with all sorts of hypotheticals or unrelated issues that are not in any way pertinent to the current Trump Administration.

Such people advertise again and again that they are incapable of critical thinking and/or intellectual honesty.

Take Rightwinger's Post #337 for instance that directly contradicts his previous assertion that federal employees are not partisan.

 

[rightwinger]

Take Rightwinger's Post #337 for instance that directly contradicts his previous assertion that federal employees are not partisan.

Lets do that

Federal Employees can vote for anyone they wish, they can make political contributions, even post on USMB.

What they can’t do is bring their political views into the workplace, advocate political views or candidates, hire and fire based on political affiliation……That is partisan

That is what Trump wants to end. Only hire and promote those who support his political views…….fascism

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The guy admitted that he shared information with foreign countries to undermine The United States government. Sounds like treason.

Look up the definition please. Are we at war with that country?