f'ing LOVE the TEA party right now!!!!

[CrusaderFrank]

TeaBots make up about 18% of the American population.

89% are white.

71% are in the south and the west: Guns and a disdain for anything Government (west) and a history of racism and racist violence (south). 58% keep a gun in the household. Gotta have a gun handy...you never know when a minority will attack.

59% have a good impression of Glenn Beck.

66% like Sarah Palin.

30% do not believe President Obama was born in the US, and another 29% are not sure, making it a whopping 59% who are sure he was not or might not have been born in the US. Their delusion is mostly based on race.

With 18% of the population, they think they should be calling the political shots.

Modern Americans are much darker in color, better educated in many, digitally brighter, and they generally want to part of the "bad" days of the past, while willing to accept the good.

Most of America is much darker in color, better educated, digitally brighter, look to the future for new opportunities not to a failed past, of which they want not part of the "bad" days while willing to accept the good.

The far right of the sixties (the group on the losing side of the culture war) is simply making a last hurrah before they die. They have had some success , but will begin steadily and quickly witnessing an erosion of their strength and ability to influence America. They will die and be forgotten.

Your mouth to God's ear.

 

[Meister]

I find it funny that the media called this group a fringe group that they are unimportant! They called them racist and are dangerous but the unions are the ones who resort to violence!!

But they are doing what WE THE PEOPLE sent them to do. Not do business as usual and stop the spending. We said it loud in clear in Nov 2010 that we dont want the same old same old. But Obama and his posy want to spend spend spend!

Actually, no. That footage was faked by Faux.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOqBpsh94xQ]‪FOX Uses Out-of-Town Footage To Depict Out-of-Control Union Violence‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

Tell that to Jimmy Hoffa.

 

[IndependntLogic]

TeaBots make up about 18% of the American population.

So okay, I'll try again. The last time I DARED to ask this, some nutjob got pissed off and started slinging the usual petty insults (insecure about your party much?). Maybe, just maybe there is a Tea Partier here who would like to take a crack at a civil discussion?

I'd like some perspective from Tea Partiers here because I see so much that is conflicting.

Rather than the usual bumper sticker slogans and such, can someone give me very specific feedback on issues e.g. "We would overturn Roe v. Wade and make ALL abortion illegal under any circumstances." or "We would overturn the CRA of '64" or "We would eliminate Social Security and Medicare altogether" or whatever. The spectrum of what you guys want runs wide, depending on to whom the question is posed.

I mean "Less taxes!" and "No socialism!" or the usual stuff about "statist", "oppression" etc... just doesn't give much in the way of intellectual appeal to those of us who are curious but not members of the club.
So if you wouldn't mind, get specific! Let's hear exactly how you would fix our country! Who do you think best embodies the TP Ideals? Paul? Bachmann? Palin? Beck? Seriously, I have no clue about you guys and am not one to just instantly label millions of people I don't know, without giving them the chance to speak for themselves.
And no, I am not interested in The LibDems who want to tell me TP's are "X". Heard plenty of that already. Looking for 1st hand views, thanks.
What say you Tea Partiers?

 

[oreo]

WRAPUP 11-Republican rebels force new delay in US debt crisis | Reuters

beautiful. Finally, people who stick to what they believe. Fresh air never tasted so sweet. Liberty loving folk don't compromise with RINOs, socialists, or keynesians baby!

If you like it--then JOIN it. It's not business as usual in Washington D.C.--and the TEA PARTY in this country deserves ALL THE CREDIT.

The tea party--has held to what they campaigned on. Cutting the debt--cutting the spending-working toward a smaller government---and are holding EVERYONE'S feet to the fire. They have made enemies in both the republican and democrat party.

In fact John McCain--unknowingly--and certainly not intended--gave the Tea Party in this country the best compliment ever--by referring to them as HOBBITS--who came up from middle earth to defeat Mordor-- Everyone knows that the only people who can be trusted with the ring--aka the national treasury are Hobbits.

 

[Liability]

DEFEAT "MORDOR on the Potomac!"

(that line courtesy of a very conservative radio personality, Mike Church)

 

[Liability]

So okay, I'll try again. The last time I DARED to ask this, some nutjob got pissed off and started slinging the usual petty insults (insecure about your party much?). Maybe, just maybe there is a Tea Partier here who would like to take a crack at a civil discussion?

I'd like some perspective from Tea Partiers here because I see so much that is conflicting.

Rather than the usual bumper sticker slogans and such, can someone give me very specific feedback on issues e.g. "We would overturn Roe v. Wade and make ALL abortion illegal under any circumstances." or "We would overturn the CRA of '64" or "We would eliminate Social Security and Medicare altogether" or whatever. The spectrum of what you guys want runs wide, depending on to whom the question is posed.

I mean "Less taxes!" and "No socialism!" or the usual stuff about "statist", "oppression" etc... just doesn't give much in the way of intellectual appeal to those of us who are curious but not members of the club.
So if you wouldn't mind, get specific! Let's hear exactly how you would fix our country! Who do you think best embodies the TP Ideals? Paul? Bachmann? Palin? Beck? Seriously, I have no clue about you guys and am not one to just instantly label millions of people I don't know, without giving them the chance to speak for themselves.
And no, I am not interested in The LibDems who want to tell me TP's are "X". Heard plenty of that already. Looking for 1st hand views, thanks.
What say you Tea Partiers?

When you seek "civil discussion," it might behoove you to be less overtly hypocritical, stupid.

The notion of a LIMITED GOVERNMENT of ENUMERATED POWERS is hardly in need of boatloads of ADDITIONAL "clarification." That job was completed, in large measure, back in the late 1780s.

 

[IndependntLogic]

When you seek "civil discussion," it might behoove you to be less overtly hypocritical, stupid.

The notion of a LIMITED GOVERNMENT of ENUMERATED POWERS is hardly in need of boatloads of ADDITIONAL "clarification." That job was completed, in large measure, back in the late 1780s.

I'll let you sling the petty insults without return.

So in what way was I hypocritical?

Is this the sum and substance of what your party has to offer? Anyone not already a member or asking for details is stupid?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So okay, I'll try again. The last time I DARED to ask this, some nutjob got pissed off and started slinging the usual petty insults (insecure about your party much?). Maybe, just maybe there is a Tea Partier here who would like to take a crack at a civil discussion?

I'd like some perspective from Tea Partiers here because I see so much that is conflicting.

Rather than the usual bumper sticker slogans and such, can someone give me very specific feedback on issues e.g. "We would overturn Roe v. Wade and make ALL abortion illegal under any circumstances." or "We would overturn the CRA of '64" or "We would eliminate Social Security and Medicare altogether" or whatever. The spectrum of what you guys want runs wide, depending on to whom the question is posed.

I mean "Less taxes!" and "No socialism!" or the usual stuff about "statist", "oppression" etc... just doesn't give much in the way of intellectual appeal to those of us who are curious but not members of the club.
So if you wouldn't mind, get specific! Let's hear exactly how you would fix our country! Who do you think best embodies the TP Ideals? Paul? Bachmann? Palin? Beck? Seriously, I have no clue about you guys and am not one to just instantly label millions of people I don't know, without giving them the chance to speak for themselves.
And no, I am not interested in The LibDems who want to tell me TP's are "X". Heard plenty of that already. Looking for 1st hand views, thanks.
What say you Tea Partiers?

5 Simple ones to start

Eliminate all Federal Department that duplicate State functions, especially Education

Eliminate all governmental involvement in real estate finance (FHA and all GSE's)

Privatize Social Security

Voucherize Medicare

Photo ID for Voting and must also pass basic citizenship test and have at least a passing knowledge of the Constitution to be able to vote.

 

[Mr.Nick]

WRAPUP 11-Republican rebels force new delay in US debt crisis | Reuters

beautiful. Finally, people who stick to what they believe. Fresh air never tasted so sweet. Liberty loving folk don't compromise with RINOs, socialists, or keynesians baby!

If you like it--then JOIN it. It's not business as usual in Washington D.C.--and the TEA PARTY in this country deserves ALL THE CREDIT.

The tea party--has held to what they campaigned on. Cutting the debt--cutting the spending-working toward a smaller government---and are holding EVERYONE'S feet to the fire. They have made enemies in both the republican and democrat party.

In fact John McCain--unknowingly--and certainly not intended--gave the Tea Party in this country the best compliment ever--by referring to them as HOBBITS--who came up from middle earth to defeat Mordor-- Everyone knows that the only people who can be trusted with the ring--aka the national treasury are Hobbits.

Thats because our word and our philosophy means a lot to us.

Us libertarians really do care about the health of this nation.... Without question any one of us defend the Bill of Rights to the death.

We don't live for ourselves we live for our children, and we want our children to have individual liberties as our founding documents grant us.

Its every Americans duty to defend our civil rights and make sure the government never achieves the power to circumvent our liberties.

 

[oreo]

WRAPUP 11-Republican rebels force new delay in US debt crisis | Reuters

beautiful. Finally, people who stick to what they believe. Fresh air never tasted so sweet. Liberty loving folk don't compromise with RINOs, socialists, or keynesians baby!

If you like it--then JOIN it. It's not business as usual in Washington D.C.--and the TEA PARTY in this country deserves ALL THE CREDIT.

The tea party--has held to what they campaigned on. Cutting the debt--cutting the spending-working toward a smaller government---and are holding EVERYONE'S feet to the fire. They have made enemies in both the republican and democrat party.

In fact John McCain--unknowingly--and certainly not intended--gave the Tea Party in this country the best compliment ever--by referring to them as HOBBITS--who came up from middle earth to defeat Mordor-- Everyone knows that the only people who can be trusted with the ring--aka the national treasury are Hobbits.

Thats because our word and our philosophy means a lot to us.

Us libertarians really do care about the health of this nation.... Without question any one of us defend the Bill of Rights to the death.

We don't live for ourselves we live for our children, and we want our children to have individual liberties as our founding documents grant us.

Its every Americans duty to defend our civil rights and make sure the government never achieves the power to circumvent our liberties.

DITTO--I do not know what it is about liberals-- that for them-- is so hard to understand about the Tea Party.

The Tea Party's PRIMARY NUMBER ONE CONCERN is this country--and stopping the abusive ever expanding growth of the Federal government and it's spending. We do not want to pass this debt onto our kids and grandchildren. We want a smaller less intrusive Federal Government in our lives.

What's so hard to understand about that?

 

[KissMy]

The Gingrich government shutdown ended when Clinton agreed to submit a CBO-approved balanced budget. That was one of the best thing that ever happened to this country.

 

[oreo]

The Gingrich government shutdown ended when Clinton agreed to submit a CBO-approved balanced budget. That was one of the best thing that ever happened to this country.

Now--Now--don't give a liberal any FACTS here--- Remember it's always liberals that proclaim that Clinton balanced the budget--and conveniently forget that Newt Gingrich--had to drag Clinton--kicking and screaming to get to that balanced budget.

 

[Mr.Nick]

If you like it--then JOIN it. It's not business as usual in Washington D.C.--and the TEA PARTY in this country deserves ALL THE CREDIT.

The tea party--has held to what they campaigned on. Cutting the debt--cutting the spending-working toward a smaller government---and are holding EVERYONE'S feet to the fire. They have made enemies in both the republican and democrat party.

In fact John McCain--unknowingly--and certainly not intended--gave the Tea Party in this country the best compliment ever--by referring to them as HOBBITS--who came up from middle earth to defeat Mordor-- Everyone knows that the only people who can be trusted with the ring--aka the national treasury are Hobbits.

Thats because our word and our philosophy means a lot to us.

Us libertarians really do care about the health of this nation.... Without question any one of us defend the Bill of Rights to the death.

We don't live for ourselves we live for our children, and we want our children to have individual liberties as our founding documents grant us.

Its every Americans duty to defend our civil rights and make sure the government never achieves the power to circumvent our liberties.

DITTO--I do not know what it is about liberals-- that for them-- is so hard to understand about the Tea Party.

The Tea Party's PRIMARY NUMBER ONE CONCERN is this country--and stopping the abusive ever expanding growth of the Federal government and it's spending. We do not want to pass this debt onto our kids and grandchildren. We want a smaller less intrusive Federal Government in our lives.

What's so hard to understand about that?

It's nice to see a brother who gets it - its a breath of fresh air.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Gingrich government shutdown ended when Clinton agreed to submit a CBO-approved balanced budget. That was one of the best thing that ever happened to this country.

Republican Congress = Clinton Surpluses

So they're properly Gingrich surpluses

 

[IndependntLogic]

5 Simple ones to start

Eliminate all Federal Department that duplicate State functions, especially Education

Eliminate all governmental involvement in real estate finance (FHA and all GSE's)

Privatize Social Security

Voucherize Medicare

Photo ID for Voting and must also pass basic citizenship test and have at least a passing knowledge of the Constitution to be able to vote.

Thanks for this post.

So if you don't mind, some follow-up questions and commentary.

Let's say you eliminated the USDA for example. California is already broke. You want them to fund an agency to make sure my all-important avocados never come tainted? How would that work? What if they didn't have the funds to do it? We all just cross our fingers and hope we don't get salmonella or something?

Maybe you could also comment on agencies I've heard some TP's say they'd eliminate and others not.

CIA
FBI
DHS (I'd drop this one in a heartbeat)
NSA
DIA
US Marshals
EPA
FDA
NRC
NSTB
FAA

So I think FreddyMac and Fannie Mae are disasters so okay. FHA? Hmm.

SS. Would you phase it out or what? What about the people who have already paid into it and will be collecting within X years? Refund their money? What?

Photo ID & citizenship are fine but a Voting Test? What if someone just isn't very bright? Or dyslexic or something. Only smart people get a say?

Again thanks. You're the first person here who has replied to simple questions about the TP with something other than the intellectual equivalent of "You're a poopy-head!".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Thanks for this post.

So if you don't mind, some follow-up questions and commentary.

Let's say you eliminated the USDA for example. California is already broke. You want them to fund an agency to make sure my all-important avocados never come tainted? How would that work? What if they didn't have the funds to do it? We all just cross our fingers and hope we don't get salmonella or something?

Maybe you could also comment on agencies I've heard some TP's say they'd eliminate and others not.

CIA
FBI
DHS (I'd drop this one in a heartbeat)
NSA
DIA
US Marshals
EPA
FDA
NRC
NSTB
FAA

So I think FreddyMac and Fannie Mae are disasters so okay. FHA? Hmm.

SS. Would you phase it out or what? What about the people who have already paid into it and will be collecting within X years? Refund their money? What?

Photo ID & citizenship are fine but a Voting Test? What if someone just isn't very bright? Or dyslexic or something. Only smart people get a say?

Again thanks. You're the first person here who has replied to simple questions about the TP with something other than the intellectual equivalent of "You're a poopy-head!".

I have absolutely confidence that without the USDA, my grocer can pick avocados without that won't poison me to death

Sure I'd ask to terminate all of those agencies but settle for just Education for now

FHA? Check a calendar, its not 1933 anymore, I think banks and borrowers can figure out how to finance a mortgage without the government.

Social Security. Id offer anything from partial privitaziation to offering one-time payout where in exchange for a cash payment today, the individual gives up all claims to any future benefits

Yes voting test for certain. If someone is not very bright, like many of the Lib posters here, too bad, they should not get to cancel the vote of people who actually understand the Constitution. Only people, even current US citizens, who can pass a citizenship test (75% of the Denm base, including the non-living would fail) should vote. No more right of return for American Palestinians aka: Progressives

 

[Stephanie]

The Bass has won, I consider this matter closed, the facts the Bass posted were not refuted.

The only thing you won is the long winded gasbag full of shit award.

Way to go, lets all give the Ass, I mean the Bass a hand...

 

[IndependntLogic]

I have absolutely confidence that without the USDA, my grocer can pick avocados without that won't poison me to death

I don't. In the last year, we've had tainted lettuce, tomatoes, avocadoes, spinach, milk and more. Most of it was caught by the USDA within a few days of distribution and NONE of it was stopped by farmers or grocers.
I've lived in countries where "the market" was in charge of making sure this sort of thing didn't happen or if it did, it was stopped quickly. No thanks. The idea of NO ONE watching for this sort of thing, would not be something I would ever support. I think the overwhelming majority of Americans would agree with me. So I would respectfully disagree with you on this one - and probably with other agencies as well.

Sure I'd ask to terminate all of those agencies but settle for just Education for now

FHA? Check a calendar, its not 1933 anymore, I think banks and borrowers can figure out how to finance a mortgage without the government.

Social Security. Id offer anything from partial privitaziation to offering one-time payout where in exchange for a cash payment today, the individual gives up all claims to any future benefits

This actually sounds reasonable to me. It seems like that balloon is destined to burst eventually.

Yes voting test for certain. If someone is not very bright, like many of the Lib posters here, too bad, they should not get to cancel the vote of people who actually understand the Constitution. Only people, even current US citizens, who can pass a citizenship test (75% of the Denm base, including the non-living would fail) should vote. No more right of return for American Palestinians aka: Progressives

LOL! Okay, all jabs at your political polar opposites aside, this would be another area in which I simply couldn't concur.
And btw, I've met as many Conservs who couldn't be called "dumb as a rock" because that would be an insult to rocks, as I have Libs.
But I'm quickly realizing that the tendency to viciously attack 40% of the country is kinda the communique' du jour here.

 

[BDBoop]

From Twitter, my sentiments exactly.

Next time I get fucked like that, I want a nice meal, a kiss, foreplay, it can't be all about #teaparty needs. We all have needs, give/take

 

[CrusaderFrank]

From Twitter, my sentiments exactly.

Next time I get fucked like that, I want a nice meal, a kiss, foreplay, it can't be all about #teaparty needs. We all have needs, give/take

Palin is right: Obama should woman up!