Finally, An instructive look at Ann Coulter

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As we prepare for the 2004 presidential election, the Conservative Movement is beset by a self-identity crisis. Neocons and paleocons war against one another while liberty lovers fight cultural conservatives. These conflicts are the proverbial iceberg’s tip. Of far greater import than policy positions and talking points is the very nature and character of the Conservative Movement.



Before the Conservative Movement can adequately address where it is headed it must first rediscover its self-identity. Otherwise its present paralysis will lead to its demise.





The Third Rail – Extremism



The unspoken third rail of Conservatism is the mainstreaming of extremism within the movement. Right-wing hatred erupted during the Clinton era and a new generation of conservatives now finds it fashionable to hate.



This trend threatens Conservatism and the extent of that threat is self-evident in the glorification of firebrand Ann Coulter as a “conservative icon.”



All of Ann Coulter’s books have received star treatment and massive promotion. High Crimes and Misdemeanors (1988) established Coulter as a prominent player in D.C. even as it accurately reflected huge segments of mainstream American mores.



However, her subsequent books – Slander (2002) and Treason (2003) – are seriously flawed and deliberately play to the extremist elements of the political spectrum, though they have received widespread praise from conservative leaders and have secured Coulter’s celebrity status.



Coulter’s ever-increasing popularity has recently gained her a $3 million book deal, despite the acknowledged inanity (or insanity) of her worldview.



Orwellian Conundrum


The conundrum of Conservatism is that in seeking to promote its principles – in outreach to grow the movement – it exalts as its standard-bearer a “conservative” celebrity whose worldview is markedly anti-conservative. Coulter’s radicalism is contrary to Conservatism’s most revered principles and ideals yet, today, many conservative leaders and institutions exalt that very radicalism.



Treason – and the entirety of Ann Coulter’s post-impeachment work – is predicated upon a worldview encapsulated by two equations: liberalism = terrorism = treason and conservatism = McCarthyism = patriotism. No subtleties or ambiguities. No nuances. No sense.



Coulter’s Orwellian construct emulates Big Brother’s insistence that two plus two equals five.



Two critiques of Treason typify the thinking of her more discerning fans and provide insight into both why Ann Coulter is so adored by her followers and why Ann Coulter poses such a danger to Conservatism (and to America).



David Horowitz


The final reason for making these distinctions is that this charge – that no Democrat, apparently including Jack Kennedy, can root for America – is obviously absurd, and if conservatives do not recognize that it is absurd, nobody is going to listen to us. …

The problem with Coulter’s book is that she is not willing to concede that McCarthy was, in fact, demagogic in any sense at all, or that that his recklessness injured the anti-Communist cause. – David Horowitz, “The Trouble with ‘Treason’“



William F. Buckley, Jr.



But all of that is by the way in an inquiry into the Coulter thinking machine, which is my mission. … But even as Ms. Coulter clearly intends to shock, why shouldn’t her reader register that shock? By wondering whether she is out of her mind, or has simply lost her grip on language.

What except that prompts her to come up with (or the Post to publicize) her syllogism? The man who heads the paper that employs an editorial writer who dangles the proposition that a thought given to moral equivalency is appropriate and humbling on September 11, 2003 is a “traitor”? That end-of-the-road word, bear always in mind, is hers. Coulter is a law school graduate and isn’t using the “T”-word loosely. The opening sentences of her article reject any such explanation. She means to charge that Sulzberger is engaged in traitorous activity. That, after all, is what traitors engage in.

The thought-process used here is everywhere in evidence in her best-selling book, Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism. The book’s central contention is that liberals critically situated on the American scene aren’t fatuous asses—that’s baby talk. They are enemies of the United States and of American freedom. …

But as one reads along, one gets used to exaggerations—not McCarthy’s, but Coulter’s. She is carried away. – William F. Buckley, Jr., Tailgunner Ann



Yes, but …


Horowitz and Buckley both denounce the foundation of Ann Coulter’s worldview, yet they praise her for specific details in her work. This is comparable to calling a painting ugly but saying some of the brushstrokes are lovely, and, therefore the painter is a master craftsman.



If Ann Coulter is wrong on the big issues, if she is wrong on her foundational beliefs, then why should we believe any of the details or the particulars of her claims? And, remember, she is oh so very wrong.



Essentially, both Horowitz and Buckley wrote that “Ann Coulter is wrong, but …” How can there be “buts” when the foundation is a sandbox of sophistry. Rather, we should build on a foundation of truth and sagacity.



This is reminiscent of the Wall Street Journal which defended Coulter’s infamous Timothy McVeigh remark by noting that other pundits have been fired for making even one such remark. Coulter’s entire career was built upon a multitude of “bomb-thrower” remarks.



Conservatives need to recognize that Ann Coulter’s paradigm is an elaborate sandcastle which will be washed away by the tide of truth. Coulter’s worldview is destined for the dustbin of history. Those who endorse, embrace and emulate her worldview will share in its demise.



Mainstreaming Extremism



Would we, today, endorse David Duke as an “exemplar” of Conservatism because we agree with a few of his social or economic policies? Should Democrats elevate Louis Farrakhan to political leadership because of his positions on family values, personal responsibility and community involvement? Or do the inherent evils of their extremism, racism and hate-mongering outweigh the good that they espouse?



Ann Coulter is no less a racist, extremist and hate-monger than either of those two gentlemen, yet conservatives laud her as an “exemplar of the conservative movement” (Claire Boothe Luce Policy Institute) and “matriarch of Crown Forum” (Random House’s conservative imprint).



Despite espousing a worldview which is “obviously absurd” (Horowitz) and which suggests she is “out of her mind” (Buckley), conservatives either laud her as the “Joan of Arc of Conservatism” (Newsmax) or they tiptoe around the extremist edges and look for something good to praise.



Some courageous conservatives and libertarians – such as Dorothy Rabinowitz, Jim Pinkerton, Arnold Beichman, Paul Greenberg and John Leo – are openly critical of Coulter, yet Coulter’s warped views continue to spread and her power continues to grow.



Ann Coulter is, indeed, mainstreaming extremism within the Conservative Movement.



Borchers’ Bio
A lifelong conservative, Daniel Borchers is the Founder and Editor of BrotherWatch, a newsletter which examines political, social, cultural and religious issues from a Christian conservative perspective.

Mr. Borchers has published articles in a wide variety of venues and has appeared on numerous radio talk shows.

Disenchanted by the hypocrisy and corruption which have invaded the Conservative Movement, Mr. Borchers founded Citizens for Principled Conservatism in the fall of 2001. In his role as Founder and President of CPC, Mr. Borchers seeks to reinvigorate principles and ideals within the Conservative Movement and he views the extremist elements within that Movement as both dangerous and self-destructive. CoulterWatch was created with the express purpose of exposing that corruption within the Conservative Movement which is exemplified by Ann Coulter and those who embolden, embrace and emulate her.

For media inquiries and interview requests, Mr. Borchers can be reached via email, or by telephone at 240-476-9690. Mr. Borchers can also be contacted for public speaking engagements

My fellow conservatives, I implore you to follow the lead of John Leo, et. al. and renounce the extremist views of Ann Coulter. “Evil thrives when good men do nothing.” Far too many good men are silent today


I find Mr. Borcher's (a staunch conservative) views on Ms. Coulter's works refreshing and revitalize my belief that Americans, whether liberal or conservative, are really good people.
 
Gotta agree with you there. Her and Ted Rall, both on opposite ends of the political spectrum need to have their hands and mounts duct taped. Or better yet have them duct taped together.... ooo... that'd be hilarious! Could you imagine!
 
Well, this writer engages in a lot of name calling. His arguments consist mainly of, "She's wrong" ing, but he never really backs up those claims by anything.

So, in keeping with this style, I'll say:

He's wrong! He's a filthy slanderer, he tells lies and he's a radical!


Instructive my foot.
 
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
sounds just like coulter. made for each other I guess

You=coulter
coulter=bad
you=bad

a valid syllogism, but only syntactically meaningful. Your project still offers no logical criticism of ann's ideas.

I've noticed if you get any lib alone and talking long enough, it will eventually spill out that they believe America is an arrogant, hateful, bigoted, unfair nation, and would actually prefer some sort of socialist scheme. I don't blame Ann, why do you?
 
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
You=coulter
coulter=bad
you=bad

a valid syllogism, but only syntactically meaningful. Your project still offers no logical criticism of ann's ideas.

I've noticed if you get any lib alone and talking long enough, it will eventually spill out that they believe America is an arrogant, hateful, bigoted, unfair nation, and would actually prefer some sort of socialist scheme. I don't blame Ann, why do you?

Yes of course, and judging all of DK's post and his character by one post you are guilty of judging the part by the whole. Frankly This makes your reasoning just as flawed as the argument in which you promote. , I don't think DK even said anything deserving such criticism either.

I don't trust what Ann's says because her, much like Ted Rall, they present valid facts supproting their claim while they neglect other facts often of the opposing view that give true context to the whole argument. I don't know how many times they have been guilty of Complex Cause or Prejudicial language in their writing. Neither writer can seem to see pass their bias, rarely admitting their point of view is wrong and never accepting that the other view can be right. This is why I believe that neither journalist has much credibility in terms of their reasoning. They are, in my honest opinion, the worst ambassadors for the intellectual left and right.
 
Originally posted by Isaac Brock
Yes of course, and judging all of DK's post and his character by one post you are guilty of judging the part by the whole. Frankly This makes your reasoning just as flawed as the argument in which you promote. , I don't think DK even said anything deserving such criticism either.

I don't trust what Ann's says because her, much like Ted Rall, they present valid facts supproting their claim while they neglect other facts often of the opposing view that give true context to the whole argument. I don't know how many times they have been guilty of Complex Cause or Prejudicial language in their writing. Neither writer can seem to see pass their bias, rarely admitting their point of view is wrong and never accepting that the other view can be right. This is why I believe that neither journalist has much credibility in terms of their reasoning. They are, in my honest opinion, the worst ambassadors for the intellectual left and right.

I have done no such judging.

And rest of your post is only half right. :D
 
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
You=coulter
coulter=bad
you=bad

a valid syllogism, but only syntactically meaningful. Your project still offers no logical criticism of ann's ideas.

I've noticed if you get any lib alone and talking long enough, it will eventually spill out that they believe America is an arrogant, hateful, bigoted, unfair nation, and would actually prefer some sort of socialist scheme. I don't blame Ann, why do you?

because she has no meaningful discussion topics except to slander anyone who is not a republican. She's a nazi-state wannabe political pundit who cant go 5 minutes without her bottle cap fizzing over with boundless enmity for anyone not republican.

As far as 'libs' believing america is an arrogant, hateful, bigoted, unfair nation, well mostly we are. Anyone who denies that we are is merely trying to mollify themselves with all the decent and humane acts of kindness that we also do.

Tell me whats logical about criticizing someones (coulters) illogical thinking?
 
Originally posted by DKSuddeth


As far as 'libs' believing america is an arrogant, hateful, bigoted, unfair nation, well mostly we are.
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You make my point beautifully.
Calling a spade a spade is not propaganda.
 
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
Thats exactly why I said what I said. I called two spades, two spades.


But calling two spades two spades does little to rebut the arguments of either spade. At best, you're just a master of the obvious. At best, mind you!:slap:
 
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
But calling two spades two spades does little to rebut the arguments of either spade. At best, you're just a master of the obvious. At best, mind you!:slap:

DK, were you in a rock band? You look like a star!
 
Psychoblues

Just read your post, skipped follow-up. I'm LOL since you want to help the con's get their act together. Are we to take it that you have given up on the dems? Hoping for Nader? What is it?
 
Oh no, I'm not giving up on the Dems. Of the choices that we have for political representation, the Dems are the best to represent my interests. But I won't belabour that subject.

Another poster above also reflected that Ted Rall was the counterpart from the liberal side of Ann Coulter. Ted Rall is a cartoonist that sometimes delves into editorial opinion. Ann Coulter attempts to pass herself off as a genuine journalist and sadly, far too many accept her as such. Tis' true, thinking people don't need or appreciate either for anything other than entertainment. Don't you agree?

I am first the husband of my wife. I am second the father of my children and the grandfather of their children. Thirdly, I am an American. Fourth, I'm a Democrat. And I'm very proud of all that. The list goes on and of most of it I am also proud. Can you dig it?
 
DKSuddeth


"Another poster above also reflected that Ted Rall was the counterpart from the liberal side of Ann Coulter. Ted Rall is a cartoonist that sometimes delves into editorial opinion. "

A cartoonist who happens to work for an actual newspaper with a very liberal agenda. A journalist? Not really. A party hack, you bet! Note he and Ann both are commentators.

"Ann Coulter attempts to pass herself off as a genuine journalist and sadly, far too many accept her as such."

Ann occasionally is invited to appear on network TV to debate her opposition, she is now a journalist? Please.

"Tis' true, thinking people don't need or appreciate either for anything other than entertainment. Don't you agree?"

No. My opinion is that the factual innacuracies and irrational agenda sponsored by pundits such as Ted Rall are in no way comparable to what are in many cases very convincing arguments made by Ann Coulter. Just because she shocks the left with her forthright statements and comes across as an "attack dog" by no means rates her as just "entertainment"

Just visited http://www.rall.com/ and lucky me the first cartoon appearing was another typical Godwin fallacy.

http://www.ucomics.com/rallcom/

Is this depiction in any way entertaining? I find it rather tasteless and devoid of intellectual basis. Is it factually consistent with the behaviour of the Republican party in office? No, it is slander (the title of Ann's second book) against half of America's people, who would not support any such treatment. The irony is that Rall would be long gone by now if any of his claims were even partially true. Such delusion is generally reserved for unemployed pundits. Many Americans won't pay out of their own pockets to hear such tripe, so his argument is that we are a Nazi state for "suppressing free speech". The free market refuses to consistently fund left media, and without direct government control it never will. So who is advancing what message?

There is no context with which to place this reality, outside of the some of the worst regimes who's continued existence is vehemently supported at the expense of our own sphere of influence by the author, including Saddam's Iraq.

Therein is the treasonous aspect. (the title of Ann's third book).


As a side note, both left and right governments have institutionalized violence against it's people. But far more suffering and outright government exectutions have been carried out by the left in this century. Such oppression of individual liberty is REQUIRED as a first step, when the government, ran by the elite, moves to seize all property. Remember the Nazi party was a SOCIALIST party in both name and behavior, wherin the means of all production were directed by the will of the government. In that particular case, along with the USSR under it's revolving internal power stuggle for the General Secretary position, the unbridled power of the government was unleashed on the people according to the will of a single, unaccountable individual.
 
Comrade

Your post is meant to do what? besides show that you are more than willing to continue discounting anything said by a liberal as 'factual innacuracies and irrational agenda' simply because they are a liberal while ann and her republican viewpoints are 'forthright, and furthermore, to imply that ann coulter is in no way comparable to ted rall with 'convincing arguments' is ludicrous.

they are both political hacks and party pundits who stretch any story to the side they want to and whose stories and speeches should be considered about as equally intellectual as O'reilly's 'Inside Edition' reporting.
 
Agreed DK!

Comrade, though you may agree with many of Ann's points, I read both articles and find them rife with personal attacks, biased facts. To say one's a sinner and one's saint is to be blinded by your own political bias. I'm a liberal and I can see that Ted Rall is a coot, however he really is no different the Ann Coulter.

A cartoonist who happens to work for an actual newspaper with a very liberal agenda. A journalist? Not really. A party hack, you bet! Note he and Ann both are commentators.

Just because he's a cartoonist doesn't means he's any worse or better. Even commentators and cartoonists given writing tools and context are still journalists.

Ann occasionally is invited to appear on network TV to debate her opposition, she is now a journalist? Please.

So has Ted.

No. My opinion is that the factual innacuracies and irrational agenda sponsored by pundits such as Ted Rall are in no way comparable to what are in many cases very convincing arguments made by Ann Coulter. Just because she shocks the left with her forthright statements and comes across as an "attack dog" by no means rates her as just "entertainment"

I have to admitt this point shocked me this most. Irrational agenda? You're trying to tell me that Coulter is devoid of an irrational agenda? If some of things she suggested were put into reality we'd be living in a police state full of mostly white folk, with everyone else either deported or in camps, with half the world ablaze with preemptive strikes! Her comments on minorities is down right scandalous! Just like if Ted's comments were heeded, the US would implode upon itself due to its inaction and spinelessness. I can't seriously believe anyone could take either as serious journalist.
 
I've seen TV interviews with Ann and Ted. While Ted is rarely met with serious opposition from even the most conservative bent of the interviewers due, I think, to the recognition of his cartoonist/pundit mantra, I've seen Ann ripped to pieces by conservatives such as Robert Novak, Tucker Carlson, Bill O'Reilly and even Sean Hannity. I think they are fully aware that her outlandish and totally inaccurate views are counter-productive and in some ways even destructive to true and responsible conservative ideology. She is generally left whining that they are picking on her and not helping her sell her books.

As I state often here on the USMB, I am a Democrat. But more importantly, I'm an American. Both Ted and Ann should have a venue to express their views and both should be called to task when they ignore the truth. And truth is a sorely needed and missed commodity in these times.
 

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