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[EverCurious]

Almost everything we buy from China, is available from an American company. Those American companies will have the upper hand if the foreign based companies don't move, if they /do/ move sure they might have costs for setting up, but they're still going to have to remain competitive with those American companies that exist now so they cannot afford to pass on all the cost of moving here.

 

[jc456]

In which case the off-shoring companies can and will move their head office to Ireland (which Apple has already done), and become Irish companies. That way the tarriff won't apply to them.

Those American companies who don't want to move to Ireland, can (quite reasonably) sue because foreign based suppliers are being given preferential treatment over American companies. They'll win too.

Gawd...you're as dumb as a bag of hockey pucks.....incidentally when's the last time your national sport had an NHL championship? Corporations are using Ireland as their corporate headquarters...they haven't moved a lick of manufacturing there.

I don't give a rat's ass about hockey. If the NHL were to disappear tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it.

You said that only American companies which off-shore would be subject to tariffs. How exactly do you think that can be enforced? How do you think Americans will react to a 35% tariff on their basic purchases like clothing, kitchen wares, etc.?

Since the new made-in-America products will be priced higher to reflect the costs of moving manufacturing home, buying new equipment, construction/renovations to facilities to house the manufacturing, and other costs for bringing the jobs home, do you propose to keep out competing goods manufactured in Third World countries, in order to ensure American companies don't go out of business?

No matter how you propose it, there is no reasonable way of forcing companies to bring jobs back to the US. That ship has sailed.

It was just one of the hundreds of false promises Trump made.

what part of deregulation didn't you get? Will it cost more, yes sir, but not 35% more. get in line and watch how this is done. It will seem like fking magic to losers like you.

 

[jc456]

No bringing jobs back and keeping jobs here are two different things. You think China doesn't care about all the Apple jobs in China? You think they won't respond to a 35% tariff imposed on merchandise built in their country? You need to take that econ 101 course yourself.
Corporations don't pay 35% tax. Yes, that is what is on the books, but they have been given so much corporate welfare till their effective rate is about half that, and many pay no taxes at all. If you are looking for sympathy for corporations, you need to look somewhere else.

China doesn't import shit from us....they steal our intellectual property and bootleg it back to us on Amazon. I was an Econ minor in school...what were you, a bouncer in a salad bar?

Your knowledge (or what passes for it) of economics is so useless, that I'd ask for a refund for that class if I were you.

PeeWee?

 

[EverCurious]

Also Free heads up tips - buy yourself clothing for Xmas cause that's where I see it hitting the hardest. That said, it's also one of the easiest to set up and I expect it to be quickly picked up in America - I figure they'll be up and rolling in a year.

Electronics is another that might take a hit - presently no tax at all on electronics - I expect though that Washington state and California are already prepping for that. Still if you were considering a new electronic item, I'd get it for xmas.

 

[Dragonlady]

You said bring jobs back, and when questioned, you quickly changed to stay here. I don't need an econ 101 course to know that the manufacturing is being done in new automated factories that use a tiny percentage of the labor used before they moved, and the companies won't shutter those places until they need to upgrade to even more automation. I ask again, what specific jobs will be brought back, and how does he intend to do that? Do you really think other countries will accept a 35% tariff without repercussions around the world?

Apparently you can't read too well. The first part of bringing jobs back is keeping the ones we have left here. When Apple can no longer afford to make i-phones in China they will return here under the right conditions including not to face a 35% tariff and exorbitant 35% corporate taxes. That tariff only applies to off-shoring American companies....not foreign companies.

No bringing jobs back and keeping jobs here are two different things. You think China doesn't care about all the Apple jobs in China? You think they won't respond to a 35% tariff imposed on merchandise built in their country? You need to take that econ 101 course yourself.
Corporations don't pay 35% tax. Yes, that is what is on the books, but they have been given so much corporate welfare till their effective rate is about half that, and many pay no taxes at all. If you are looking for sympathy for corporations, you need to look somewhere else.

what he's looking for are Americans to go back to work at factories in 2017 before product went overseas in 2003.

He might as well be looking for a unicorn. He won't find either.

sure he will, many will be back. First off, regulations that sent the jobs out will be destroyed, so money will come back into the country, and next, companies will lose market value with the high tarrifs, especially once a competing factory is started up in our american cities. Yep, I look forward to many of those to start in 2017. watch how it's done. You're just used to failed politicians who have no agenda but to keep minorities down.

It was neither regulations (other than envionmental protections) nor taxes which sent the jobs abroad. It was cheap labour, and the ability to pollute at will, that sent the jobs overseas.

You're not going to be able to gut health and safety regulations in the US because American workers expect not to be killed on the job (unlike workers in Bangla Desh). And Americans are tired of situations where they are poisoned by their water, so good luck with that.

 

[Tom Horn]

Ok. I get it. All we have to do is fire up all those existing automated plants that we already have on standby and we won't have to worry about the devastation that a sudden 35% increase on the price of products would cause. Oh wait........we don't have any of those. I guess we could give massive tax cuts to corporations so they could build all those shiny new factories, but every time we've done that in the past, they just put the money in their pockets. International markets are much more complex than you or that orange clown think, and his dumb assed ideas won't work.

I told you to quit and you didn't and now the beatings will continue. We have 70,000 abandoned factories since the mid-90's....most if not all can be refitted, retrofitted, and opened again....that will entail hundreds of thousands of jobs right there. The shuttered businesses around those factories will reopen either as before or with different ownership...which entails venture-capital and hundreds of thousands new jobs.....people WORKING instead of taking Rat welfare....workers with PRIDE again, instead of taking handouts from neo-stalinists who've ignored them for 20 years. Little wonder you don't like Trump, comrade....he'll put an end to your stinking party once and for all.

 

[jc456]

Trump will leverage American consumerism. We know for a fact that businesses will seek to maximize profits. Losing American consumerism is not an option for the vast majority of companies ( to example, American's spent 350M on PET Halloween costumes, we spend 60bil a year on pets, we spend 350m on Halloween candy, 600bil on Christmas alone) American's love to spend, and companies cannot afford to lose that income. America is the NUMBER ONE consumer market in the world hands down our one country eats up 27% of the entire planets consumer market, the next highest is China at 8% (List of largest consumer markets - Wikipedia) --per 2013 stats last taken

By levying tariffs Trump gives companies two choices, eat into their profit margin, or produce in the US. The third option would be to not sell in America, which means losing out on their share of some 11,500,000 million dollars (For comparison #2 China spends 3,300,000 million)

You realize that a tariff is paid by the consumer, don't you? You want prices raised by 35%?

what will happen is that companies will start manufacturing here and sell less than that 35% mark up and forcing those industries back here. Watch how it's done.

Ok. I get it. All we have to do is fire up all those existing automated plants that we already have on standby and we won't have to worry about the devastation that a sudden 35% increase on the price of products would cause. Oh wait........we don't have any of those. I guess we could give massive tax cuts to corporations so they could build all those shiny new factories, but every time we've done that in the past, they just put the money in their pockets. International markets are much more complex than you or that orange clown think, and his dumb assed ideas won't work.

so if I have an empty building producing squat and one that has 3,000 employed, which one will have taxpayers paying into our tax system? Many more times than a corporation tax. I wish you fking losers would learn economics.

 

[Tom Horn]

It was neither regulations (other than envionmental protections) nor taxes which sent the jobs abroad. It was cheap labour, and the ability to pollute at will, that sent the jobs overseas.

You're not going to be able to gut health and safety regulations in the US because American workers expect not to be killed on the job (unless those in Bangla Desh. And Americans are tired of situations where they are poisoned by their water, so good luck with that.

We don't need luck, canucks running their yaps, or snowflakes who need play-do when their crippled up old criminal witch gets her saggy ass whipped and now hopefully indicted for espionage and treason. ESAD hag.

 

[jc456]

Apparently you can't read too well. The first part of bringing jobs back is keeping the ones we have left here. When Apple can no longer afford to make i-phones in China they will return here under the right conditions including not to face a 35% tariff and exorbitant 35% corporate taxes. That tariff only applies to off-shoring American companies....not foreign companies.

No bringing jobs back and keeping jobs here are two different things. You think China doesn't care about all the Apple jobs in China? You think they won't respond to a 35% tariff imposed on merchandise built in their country? You need to take that econ 101 course yourself.
Corporations don't pay 35% tax. Yes, that is what is on the books, but they have been given so much corporate welfare till their effective rate is about half that, and many pay no taxes at all. If you are looking for sympathy for corporations, you need to look somewhere else.

what he's looking for are Americans to go back to work at factories in 2017 before product went overseas in 2003.

He might as well be looking for a unicorn. He won't find either.

sure he will, many will be back. First off, regulations that sent the jobs out will be destroyed, so money will come back into the country, and next, companies will lose market value with the high tarrifs, especially once a competing factory is started up in our american cities. Yep, I look forward to many of those to start in 2017. watch how it's done. You're just used to failed politicians who have no agenda but to keep minorities down.

It was neither regulations (other than envionmental protections) nor taxes which sent the jobs abroad. It was cheap labour, and the ability to pollute at will, that sent the jobs overseas.

You're not going to be able to gut health and safety regulations in the US because American workers expect not to be killed on the job (unlike workers in Bangla Desh). And Americans are tired of situations where they are poisoned by their water, so good luck with that.

wrong. it was all about regulation.

 

[BULLDOG]

BULLDOG They have to compete with the businesses that exist and American consumerism is precluded to purchasing the cheapest version. That's actually what drove companies /out/ of the country, competition and the need for cheaper labor. When the 35% increase is passed to consumers by those businesses who wish to stay in say China, then the American companies will have the cheaper price again and thus will be naturally selected by the consumer. When said company in China loses enough of their "share" of the market, they will be then forced to move back into America to compete. There might be a momentary increase in costs on some items (electronics I presume will go up for a bit) but I don't think it'll last long, companies cannot afford to lose the American consumer.

Where will you find American made appliances and electronics, or even bluejeans for God's sake? Lots of stuff just isn't made here any more. I believe some of it can come back, but not by throwing the entire world's economy into a tailspin.

 

[EverCurious]

Industrial Properties For Sale

 

[Dragonlady]

Your knowledge (or what passes for it) of economics is so useless, that I'd ask for a refund for that class if I were you.

Go drink a Molsons and pretend you like the taste of that piss.

I don't drink beer either. If I did, I'd drink Mill Street beer - they brew organic beer. Nice stuff. My daughter dated one of the Molson heirs for about two years. Nice kid but he didn't drink beer either.

 

[BULLDOG]

You realize that a tariff is paid by the consumer, don't you? You want prices raised by 35%?

So, given the choice of buying an automobile made in The USA you'd prefer to buy the same make/model made in Mexico which costs 35% more.

You think cars are the only things bought?

 

[EverCurious]

BULLDOG

Best American-Made Appliances - Consumer Reports

American made clothing - Bing

 

[Tom Horn]

Where will you find American made appliances and electronics, or even bluejeans for God's sake? Lots of stuff just isn't made here any more. I believe some of it can come back, but not by throwing the entire world's economy into a tailspin.

Yeah bluejeans....we invented bluejeans, we grow the finest cotton in the world and the Carolinas had and still have the best textile workers in the world. We'll make all our own clothing again and employ millions of Americans doing it.

 

[Tom Horn]

You think cars are the only things bought?

Stop asking stupid questions or SCRAM.

 

[BULLDOG]

Ok. I get it. All we have to do is fire up all those existing automated plants that we already have on standby and we won't have to worry about the devastation that a sudden 35% increase on the price of products would cause. Oh wait........we don't have any of those. I guess we could give massive tax cuts to corporations so they could build all those shiny new factories, but every time we've done that in the past, they just put the money in their pockets. International markets are much more complex than you or that orange clown think, and his dumb assed ideas won't work.

I told you to quit and you didn't and now the beatings will continue. We have 70,000 abandoned factories since the mid-90's....most if not all can be refitted, retrofitted, and opened again....that will entail hundreds of thousands of jobs right there. The shuttered businesses around those factories will reopen either as before or with different ownership...which entails venture-capital and hundreds of thousands new jobs.....people WORKING instead of taking Rat welfare....workers with PRIDE again, instead of taking handouts from neo-stalinists who've ignored them for 20 years. Little wonder you don't like Trump, comrade....he'll put an end to your stinking party once and for all.

Right, and I saw a boat for sale pretty cheap. Has a hole in it, and no motor, but I can patch it up good as new. Those old hulks can't be retooled or refurbished to meet the demands of modern automated manufacturing. The best that could be done, is tear them down and start fresh. Location availability is not the problem.

 

[jc456]

BULLDOG They have to compete with the businesses that exist and American consumerism is precluded to purchasing the cheapest version. That's actually what drove companies /out/ of the country, competition and the need for cheaper labor. When the 35% increase is passed to consumers by those businesses who wish to stay in say China, then the American companies will have the cheaper price again and thus will be naturally selected by the consumer. When said company in China loses enough of their "share" of the market, they will be then forced to move back into America to compete. There might be a momentary increase in costs on some items (electronics I presume will go up for a bit) but I don't think it'll last long, companies cannot afford to lose the American consumer.

Where will you find American made appliances and electronics, or even bluejeans for God's sake? Lots of stuff just isn't made here any more. I believe some of it can come back, but not by throwing the entire world's economy into a tailspin.

what is it your more worried about, the world economy or fellow americans and eating? See, that was what the election was about that you all just don't seem to understand. I mean I understand why you don't get it, but it is why it ended up the way it did.

 

[BluesLegend]

BULLDOG They have to compete with the businesses that exist and American consumerism is precluded to purchasing the cheapest version. That's actually what drove companies /out/ of the country, competition and the need for cheaper labor. When the 35% increase is passed to consumers by those businesses who wish to stay in say China, then the American companies will have the cheaper price again and thus will be naturally selected by the consumer. When said company in China loses enough of their "share" of the market, they will be then forced to move back into America to compete. There might be a momentary increase in costs on some items (electronics I presume will go up for a bit) but I don't think it'll last long, companies cannot afford to lose the American consumer.

Where will you find American made appliances and electronics, or even bluejeans for God's sake? Lots of stuff just isn't made here any more. I believe some of it can come back, but not by throwing the entire world's economy into a tailspin.

America first, America and Americans.

 

[Tom Horn]

America first, America and Americans.

Fuckin A