Feds in Portland Brutalize Navy Vet.

[meaner gene]

As you describe them, they sound just like plainclothes detectives picking up a suspect. Are Democrats now opposed to plainclothes detectives making arrests?

Except Joe Friday always showed his badge and introduced himself and his partner to anybody they questioned, or tried to arrest.

 

[meaner gene]

Nothing they're wearing is identifiable as a federal law enforcement officer. Which means somebody dressing identically, can't be charged with impersonation.

Otherwise everybody who wears a dark suit and sunglasses could be charged with impersonating a secret service agent.

If they "pretend" (your word) they're law enforcement personnel, they've committed a felony. That's not open to debate...

This is why law enforcement wears uniquely identifiable uniforms. They have badges, insignias, patches, name plates, and other items that constitute the uniform.

Plain clothes agents, like FBI special agents either wear or show a badge.

Just wearing a cammo outfit with paramilitary gear isn't a law enforcement uniform.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Just wearing a cammo outfit with paramilitary gear isn't a law enforcement uniform.

I understand that's your opinion.

You're wrong...

 

[toomuchtime_]

As you describe them, they sound just like plainclothes detectives picking up a suspect. Are Democrats now opposed to plainclothes detectives making arrests?

Except Joe Friday always showed his badge and introduced himself and his partner to anybody they questioned, or tried to arrest.

Real plainclothes detectives don't wear uniforms and drive unmarked vehicles so that suspects don't know they are cops until they apply their police powers, which is exactly what the federal officers did.

 

[meaner gene]

Except Joe Friday always showed his badge and introduced himself and his partner to anybody they questioned, or tried to arrest.

Real plainclothes detectives don't wear uniforms and drive unmarked vehicles so that suspects don't know they are cops until they apply their police powers, which is exactly what the federal officers did.

You left out an important difference. Plain clothed police introduce themselves to suspects, and show them a badge. The federal police NEVER SHOWED A BADGE OR ID.or identified who they were, or what agency they worked for.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Except Joe Friday always showed his badge and introduced himself and his partner to anybody they questioned, or tried to arrest.

Real plainclothes detectives don't wear uniforms and drive unmarked vehicles so that suspects don't know they are cops until they apply their police powers, which is exactly what the federal officers did.

You left out an important difference. Plain clothed police introduce themselves to suspects, and show them a badge. The federal police NEVER SHOWED A BADGE OR ID.or identified who they were, or what agency they worked for.

Not true, plainclothes police do not have to identify themselves until they apply their police powers, that is until the take someone into custody.

 

[meaner gene]

Not true, plainclothes police do not have to identify themselves until they apply their police powers, that is until the take someone into custody.

Actually that requirement starts when an officer exercises "control" over someone.
They must identify themselves before they can detain a witness or suspect for questioning

Arrest vs. Detention: How to Tell Whether You've Been Arrested or Detained

In general, if a reasonable person in the suspect’s shoes wouldn’t feel free to leave an encounter with the police, then there’s been either a detention or an

www.nolo.com

 

[toomuchtime_]

Not true, plainclothes police do not have to identify themselves until they apply their police powers, that is until the take someone into custody.

Actually that requirement starts when an officer exercises "control" over someone.
They must identify themselves before they can detain a witness or suspect for questioning

Arrest vs. Detention: How to Tell Whether You've Been Arrested or Detained

In general, if a reasonable person in the suspect’s shoes wouldn’t feel free to leave an encounter with the police, then there’s been either a detention or an

www.nolo.com

Absolutely, so they drive up in their unmarked car, wearing civilian clothes grab the person and tell him they want him for questioning. That's exactly what the federal agents did.

 

[Fueri]

Not sure about brutalized. The guy was a trojan. Pepper sprayed him and he took it like it was a shot of breath freshener. lol.

I don't know what was said before this occurred. If he was told to back the hell off and didn't, under the current circumstances, I don't blame the cops. You've punched your ticket to a free baton demonstration at that point, IMO.

they aren't 'cops' they aren't military either, although they are wearing uniforms meant for military & all they have is a patch saying 'police'. no official emblems & especially no names.

they are pseudo/para military that are from the bureau of prisons & customs & border patrol.

btw the CBP wanted to ( & it might have been eliminated already) get rid oflie detector tests for apllicants because the vast majority applying just 2-3 years ago were failing bigley.

Distinction without a difference.

Call them whatever you'd like.

no they aren't. any active or retired vet would argue with that.

when have boppers or CBC been ordered to go to afghanistan, or iraq, etc...?

Officers there to guard proprty. I dont care what you call them, if this guy was told to back off, under the current circumstances he got what he paid for.

good to know you are willing to bend over & give up your constitutional protected rights that easily.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.' ~ ben franklin

Nice deflection.



I'd be fine if they shot every single POS that so much as tossed a bottle at this point. If this guy was trying to get a reaction, approached these guys, which he clearly did, was told to back off and didnt, I couldn't care less what they did to him.

your false equivalency is comparing him to one who is an actual threat.

that's a constitutional fail on yer part.

duly noted.

Wrong. Federal Agents guarding federal property which has been an ongoing target of domestic terrorists committing felonies. If he was given an order to move it along and didn't do so, this is on him.

If you are correct, where are the prosecutions of these federal officers. Answer: you're not.

Your hyperbole doesn't supersede federal law. Sorry 'bout that.

there are lawsuits already in the pipeline to hold some accountable.

they were guarding federal property. he wasn't on federal property nor was he trying to breach any barrier. his words & no mannerisms were his only weapon. ooooOOOooooo....

it sure isn't hypobole.

Your hyperbole is asserting that people's constitutional rights are being 'given up' which is nonsense. The constitution protects peaceful protests. These have been anything but, which is the only reason these officers are there in the first place, as their presence is necessary so these morons don't start the building on fire, which they have tried to do.

If he disobeyed a lawful order he is in the wrong. End of story.

uh-huh.

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just save it, 'cause the hypocrisy is thru the roof. aside from the inevitable covid cases that resulted - i don't believe anybody has gotten arrested from all that uh... hoopla.

Nothing vandalized, burned, looted or otherwise destroyed. No one attacked or injured, much less killed. A protest that didn't go on for ~2 months, with all of the above happening, necessitating the deployment of federal officers.

Those cops didnt even bother with gearing up. They didn't need to.

Thanks for showing us the difference between an actual constitutionally protected protest and the illegal mob actions we are seeing in Portland and other places right now.

Your own 'example' undercuts your argument. Super job. Lol

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Bullshit. I haven't made that argument. Your logic fails again.

Argumentum ad ignorantiam. Just because you do not personally know of any legal justification, logically that does not necessarily mean there wasn't one.

And even if we presume that the cop didn't have a legal justification to use force, it is still a non sequitur fallacy to presume that he beat the guy for asking a question.

Actually your logic fails. There is nothing someone can say to a cop to legitimize his clubbing somebody who did not present himself as a physical threat.

He could have threatened the cops life, and without an overt act towards that, it did not justify a physical assault. And the video shows the Navy guy made no physical action.

That was AFTER the video began. What happened preceding that event? You don't know. You are just ASSUMING nothing happened to prompt the officer's response.

Ok. What could possibly justify the use of force.

Simple refusal to leave the area.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Not true, plainclothes police do not have to identify themselves until they apply their police powers, that is until the take someone into custody.

Actually that requirement starts when an officer exercises "control" over someone.
They must identify themselves before they can detain a witness or suspect for questioning

Arrest vs. Detention: How to Tell Whether You've Been Arrested or Detained

In general, if a reasonable person in the suspect’s shoes wouldn’t feel free to leave an encounter with the police, then there’s been either a detention or an

www.nolo.com

Absolutely, so they drive up in their unmarked car, wearing civilian clothes grab the person and tell him they want him for questioning. That's exactly what the federal agents did.

Show me a video of people in civilian clothes doing this.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Bullshit, like I said, if the asshole breaks federal law and runs, the feds have every right to pursue them and throw their commie ass in jail.

nobody got arrested, kitty. so there is that. why? no probable cause.

If they were not "arrested" in the legal sense, then they were kidnapped, which happens to be a federal crime.

Do you know the difference between "detained" and "arrested"? Probably not!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The obvious reason he got hit is because he didn't move away from the building like the other protesters in the video did.

The fact that he was in the street is totally irrelevant, dumbass.

You got caught in a lie, claiming it was because he was near the courthouse. His being in the street is proof of your lie.

Busted !!!!!

Is the street near the courthouse? Are you a special kind of dumbass?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The intimidation factor of running around in unmarked vans, with unmarked uniforms, and unidentifiable Federal Agents, seems to be backfiring. As anyone with a brain could have figured out it would.

If they're unidentifiable, how do you know they're federal agents?

Regardless, his status as a Navy Vet gives him no special privileges...

That's the point. Trump and Barr said they're federal law enforcement agents. So you have official notice that federal agents are performing law enforcement in cammo uniforms without badges, identification or insignias on their "uniforms". Driving unmarked vehicles, and arresting people under color of law.

This is problematic because civilians can legally dress in identical garb, and pretend to be federal law enforcement, and they commit no crime

They are not "camo", they have identification, and you are a lying piece of shit. They are called "utility uniforms", they are clearly marked as POLICE and anyone doing the same would be considered impersonating a police officer if they were not.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You got caught in a lie, claiming it was because he was near the courthouse. His being in the street is proof of your lie.

Busted !!!!!

"Near" is a relative term dumbass. The street in front of the courthouse is near the courthouse.

Don't be an idiot, or play one on TV. The street belongs to the city of portland, and the feds have NO (repeat no) jurisdiction over it.

If he was standing in the street he was not (repeat not) on federal property, which all the feds have jurisdiction over.

Wanna try another LIE to get out of your string of lies

Will you stop lying? You have no idea what happened before the video began, do you?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The fact that he was in the street is totally irrelevant, dumbass.

I don't spin.

"Near" is a relative term dumbass. The street in front of the courthouse is near the courthouse.

Anybody else notice a pattern of lies?

Yes, please stop!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This is problematic because civilians can legally dress in identical garb, and pretend to be federal law enforcement, and they commit no crime

Absolutely false.

Impersonating a federal officer is a felony punishable by up to three years in prison:

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/falsely-impersonating-a-federal-officer-what-is-the-penalty-53754

You can dress up as Superman, but it doesn't mean you can fly...

These federal agents aren't wearing a standard uniform. They have no bdges no identifiers, and the uniform itself is just cammo gear available from anywhere including sporting goods stores to go hunting.

Nothing they're wearing is identifiable as a federal law enforcement officer. Which means somebody dressing identically, can't be charged with impersonation.

Otherwise everybody who wears a dark suit and sunglasses could be charged with impersonating a secret service agent.

You lie yet again.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Nothing they're wearing is identifiable as a federal law enforcement officer. Which means somebody dressing identically, can't be charged with impersonation.

Otherwise everybody who wears a dark suit and sunglasses could be charged with impersonating a secret service agent.

If they "pretend" (your word) they're law enforcement personnel, they've committed a felony. That's not open to debate...

This is why law enforcement wears uniquely identifiable uniforms. They have badges, insignias, patches, name plates, and other items that constitute the uniform.

Plain clothes agents, like FBI special agents either wear or show a badge.

Just wearing a cammo outfit with paramilitary gear isn't a law enforcement uniform.

It is when it is identified, which you continue to deny, but video and photographic evidence shows it does exist.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Not true, plainclothes police do not have to identify themselves until they apply their police powers, that is until the take someone into custody.

Actually that requirement starts when an officer exercises "control" over someone.
They must identify themselves before they can detain a witness or suspect for questioning

Arrest vs. Detention: How to Tell Whether You've Been Arrested or Detained

In general, if a reasonable person in the suspect’s shoes wouldn’t feel free to leave an encounter with the police, then there’s been either a detention or an

www.nolo.com

Absolutely, so they drive up in their unmarked car, wearing civilian clothes grab the person and tell him they want him for questioning. That's exactly what the federal agents did.

Show me a video of people in civilian clothes doing this.

Show you a video of plainclothes detective picking up a suspect? What planet do you live on?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Not true, plainclothes police do not have to identify themselves until they apply their police powers, that is until the take someone into custody.

Actually that requirement starts when an officer exercises "control" over someone.
They must identify themselves before they can detain a witness or suspect for questioning

Arrest vs. Detention: How to Tell Whether You've Been Arrested or Detained

In general, if a reasonable person in the suspect’s shoes wouldn’t feel free to leave an encounter with the police, then there’s been either a detention or an

www.nolo.com

Absolutely, so they drive up in their unmarked car, wearing civilian clothes grab the person and tell him they want him for questioning. That's exactly what the federal agents did.

Show me a video of people in civilian clothes doing this.

Show you a video of plainclothes detective picking up a suspect? What planet do you live on?

They have a badge dumbass!