Federal Judge Orders Trump and Musk To Quit Firing Federal Employees And That Previous Firings Should Be Rescinded

[Dr. Phosphorous]

How would you know? You've never tried reason. All you have is hatred and rage.

If you were a reasonable person, then you would not still support Trump after what he did on Jan 6. Not just the violent mob, but the whole fake elector scheme behind the scenes and trying to convince Mike Pence to steal the election for him.

That is the litmus test. That is the morality test. And you failed it.

 

[Scoutster]

If you were a reasonable person, then you would not still support Trump after what he did on Jan 6. Not just the violent mob, but the whole fake elector scheme behind the scenes and trying to convince Mike Pence to steal the election for him.

That is the litmus test. That is the morality test. And you failed it.

Have you not figured out how much of a joke you are yet?

 

[Zafira Cherry]

The firings have been coming from the imbecile Elon Musk at OPM, as the judge stated. --

“The Office of Personnel Management does not have any authority whatsoever, under any statute in the history of the universe, to hire and fire employees at another agency. They can hire and fire their own employees.”

OPM does not have this authority, under Federal law. Congress has assigned hiring and firing authority to all of the Federal agencies, not to freaking OPM.

these CULTISTS do not care about the rule of law. They elected a Dictator.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

"Important".

And that one word proves I'm right.

No, it just proves you don't know how to debate....and you don't know anything about important government functions.

 

[daveman]

If you were a reasonable person, then you would not still support Trump after what he did on Jan 6. Not just the violent mob, but the whole fake elector scheme behind the scenes and trying to convince Mike Pence to steal the election for him.

That is the litmus test. That is the morality test. And you failed it.

You really do believe everything your masters tell you to believe, don't you?

 

[daveman]

No, it just proves you don't know how to debate....and you don't know anything about important government functions.

The leftist fetish about government workers is more than a little disturbing.

You really do need bureaucrats to do your thinking for you, don't you?

Pathetic.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The workers are being let go because they are non productive or because their positions are non productive, make work. They are not being replaced. There are no grounds to preserve a job that has ceased to exist.

But that is not true, what makes you believe this?

The remedy is for a lateral transfer to another job. On any given day the government has hundreds of openings. Existing employees should apply. But that's not where the job problem is. These employees don't want to show up at all. They want to continue working in pajamas. There hasn't been a material change in employment. These employees were required to show up when they were hired. They started working from home during the covid shutdown.

Their grounds for complaint have gotten smaller and smaller until they no longer exist.

If the remedy is a lateral transfer, I'm sure there are a lot of workers who would prefer that to unemployment, however from all reports, no one has been given an opportunity to do anything other than 1) accept the buyout, 2) resign immediately, or 3) be fired.

Because they are not at-will employees, they can only be fired under certain circumstances and a while a reduction in force is a valid reason for terminating them, it's the way they're going about it that's a huge part of the issue.

They are not following proper lawful procedure for conducting these separations and the way they are treating the workers is particularly egregious. Losing one's livelihood, especially for career professionals, through no fault of your own, is a traumatic and oftentimes life-altering experience. You would think that just about EVERYBODY should understand this due to people being sent home & losing their income due to COVID.

The most disturbing aspect out of all of this is the appearance that Trump, Musk & their supporters are intentionally and with malice I would even say, making this as traumatic and painful as possible, turning it into a spectacle that is then broadcast to the world on X?

There is a whole lot more I could say about it but I guess that I should ask if you are the same person I thought you to be or do I have you confused with someone else? This person, I thought, said that she retired after closing down her law firm.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I lost nothing you ignorant twat. A judge gave an OPINION. I asked you to cite the law they are breaking, and you can't, because there is none.

See how that works, skippy?

Did you graduate high school?

By the way, I wasn't trying to intentionally be insulting but it just suddenly occurred to me that maybe that's why so many of you don't seem to have a clue as to how our legal system works.

 

[Contumacious]

San Francisco, Clinton appointed liberal judge? It's the left doing everything they can to stop Trump from fixing the Government and stopping the US from going broke! They don't care if it will be overturned on appeal. They don't care if it's bad for the country.

EXACTLY -

 

[whitehall]

Did Judge Alsup skip civics 101 classes in law school? As chief executive the president has the option to hire and fire anyone in the executive branch of government. The federal government is not an employment agency and even democrats should be supportive of the effort to downsize the bloated government. Maybe Alsup needs to run for office

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

You really do believe everything your masters tell you to believe, don't you?

The facts speak for themselves. Republicans involved in the fake elector scheme pleaded guilty. Some of them even testified to the Jan 6 Committee. Mike Pence also talked about how Trump tried to coerce him.

You "debate" in bad faith and you are not an honest person, in addition to your other moral shortcomings. That's why talking to you is pointless.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

The leftist fetish about government workers is more than a little disturbing.

You really do need bureaucrats to do your thinking for you, don't you?

Pathetic.

You need the EPA to protect the air you breathe and the water you drink. You know...life and death stuff. No biggie.

Trump is going to shorten your lifespan and your family's lifespan after he finishes destroying the EPA and NIH. I hope "owning the libs" and your hatred of the government was worth it to you.

 

[daveman]

The facts speak for themselves. Republicans involved in the fake elector scheme pleaded guilty. Some of them even testified to the Jan 6 Committee. Mike Pence also talked about how Trump tried to coerce him.

You "debate" in bad faith and you are not an honest person, in addition to your other moral shortcomings. That's why talking to you is pointless.

Uh huh. I expect you'd easily overlook my "moral shortcomings" if I agreed with you.

 

[22lcidw]

No, it just proves you don't know how to debate....and you don't know anything about important government functions.

Survival and civilization are not a debate. Progs made it so. We now have to spend enormous amounts of resources for military and space projects as an example with total Prog and some corrupted Republican control.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Same results pending as all of this judicial malfeasance works it way to USSC. Bitter Dem operatives trying to “UnPresident ” Trump and it won’t be allowed

So let’s break this down logically:

1. Someone does something they’re not legally allowed to do.
   
   • Example: Trump mass-fires federal workers without following legally required procedures.
2. A harmed party takes legal action.
   
   • A worker (or group of workers) hires an attorney, who files a legal complaint outlining why the action is unlawful, referencing specific laws and precedents.
3. The judge reviews the case.
   
   • The judge examines the legal claims, checking whether the referenced laws actually apply to the situation.
4. A legal opinion is issued.
   
   • Based on the law, the judge determines that the act complained of is likely unlawful and issues an orderto:
     • 1. Reinstate those who were unlawfully fired.
     • 2. Halt further illegal actions to prevent additional harm.
5. Why "in all likelihood"?
   
   • This stage is about preliminary relief—not deciding the full merits of the case, but preventing ongoing harm while litigation continues.
   • The law explicitly requires federal workers to be individually evaluated before termination, meaning mass firings without process violate those protections.

This didn't happen to "get Trump!". Anyone who had done this would end up with the same result

 

[daveman]

You need the EPA to protect the air you breathe and the water you drink. You know...life and death stuff. No biggie

Fear-mongering. That's all you've got.

Trump is going to shorten your lifespan and your family's lifespan after he finishes destroying the EPA and NIH.

Just because you operate solely on emotion, kid, doesn't mean normal people do.

I hope "owning the libs" and your hatred of the government was worth it to you.

Wherever have I claimed that "owning the libs" was my motivation for anything?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Why are you so many of you Trump worshippers angry about this? You're not the ones being harmed by job loss yet most of you are acting as if these rulings are an affront to you personally.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Fear-mongering. That's all you've got.

It's not fear mongering. The government and EPA scientists protect you....and you are simply too stupid and full of hate for the government to understand that.

Just because you operate solely on emotion, kid, doesn't mean normal people do.

You mean that's all you do...stupid irrational hatred of the government and liberals. At least I can explain why I hate Trump. You aren't smart enough to offer a remotely cogent explanation for your stupid MAGA QAnon bullshit.

Wherever have I claimed that "owning the libs" was my motivation for anything?

It's the only reason you are here. I mean, it's not like you actually care about the facts and making this country a better place.

That evil, deranged, incompetent fuck Trump sure as hell ain't going to make this country a better place. In fact, he is going to hurt the red states worse than the blue states with his insanity and it's already happening.

 

[daveman]

Why are you so many of you Trump worshippers angry about this? You're not the ones being harmed by job loss yet most of you are acting as if these rulings are an affront to you personally.

Because unlike you, we see through the absurdities and see the very real GET TRUMP motivation.

ORANGE MAN BAD is not a legal precedent.

 

[daveman]

It's not fear mongering. The government and EPA scientists protect you....and you are simply too stupid and full of hate for the government to understand that.


You mean that's all you do...stupid irrational hatred of the government and liberals. At least I can explain why I hate Trump. You aren't smart enough to offer a remotely cogent explanation for your stupid MAGA QAnon bullshit.


It's the only reason you are here. I mean, it's not like you actually care about the facts and making this country a better place.

That evil, deranged, incompetent fuck Trump sure as hell ain't going to make this country a better place. In fact, he is going to hurt the red states worse than the blue states with his insanity and it's already happening.

See? Nothing but fear-mongering.