Federal Judge: Late-term abortion ban unconstitutional

[proud_savagette]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/01/abortion.lawsuits.ap/
can someone please just give me a break? I'm a woman, and I don't see how abortion in general infringes on a "woman's right to choose." If I go have unprotected sex and end up pregnant, than it's my fault and my partner's fault. when will women get the hint and frikkin' decide to take the consequences of their own frikkin' actions????

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by proud_savagette
I'm a woman, and I don't see how abortion in general infringes on a "woman's right to choose

If abortion were illegal you wouldn't hve a right to choose it as an option.

I hope I don't insult you with my simplistic answer.

But...it had to be said.

Foremost, I think victims of rape need to have this as an option.

Even if I thought abortion was murder, which I don't, I would rather see a fetus murdered early on than see a loved one FORCED to carry it to term after being raped by the father. Many woman keep rape to themselves becausee they are so traumatized, yet you would see these women forced to raise(or at the least, birth) the product of said rape?

That's where I begin when discussing abortion.

And for the record, I have never nor do I ever see myself talking a lover/wife/family member into having an abortion. Except for in the case I mentioned or for some other medical reason.

Even if I "don't think" I'm ready to have a child, I promise you I would rather do so than have my seed aborted. The LAST thing that would come to my mind would be abortion. Unless the mother brought it up, then I would respect her wishes(discussion) as I do HER body.

Guys have it easy.

 

[proud_savagette]

If abortion were illegal you wouldn't have a right to choose it as an option.

Frankly, I want it to be illegal. I see it as murder and as women being irresponsible and taking the easy way out. I mean, look at this! Partial BIRTH abortion? Don't you think the stupid woman shoulda made up her mind by now anyway?!

Even if I thought abortion was murder, which I don't, I would rather see a fetus murdered early on than see a loved one FORCED to carry it to term after being raped by the father. Many woman keep rape to themselves becausee they are so traumatized, yet you would see these women forced to raise(or at the least, birth) the product of said rape?

I used to have a big problem with what i thought about this, but then one of my best friends was raped. She lives down in L.A., so I wasn't there until after she found out that she had become pregnant. She's only 19 years old, two years older than I am, but she carried the child until it was born, because she said that the child was innocent of any wrongdoing.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by proud_savagette
she carried the child until it was born, because she said that the child was innocent of any wrongdoing.

True.
But so was she.
Good for her, though.
I wish him 1000 sodomizations in jail(well, not really but I wouldn't shed I tear for him I don't think) and her eternal happiness with her child.
More later, off to class...

 

[proud_savagette]

More later, off to class...

You aren't out of school yet?

 

[5stringJeff]

This is going to the Supreme Court. This one activist judge is not going to call the shots for the country.

 

[Mustafa]

Originally posted by gop_jeff

This is going to the Supreme Court. This one activist judge is not going to call the shots for the country.

Thats the way it works according to the laws created by men for the good of all.

 

[leojoeyjoe]

Foremost, I think victims of rape need to have this as an option.

They do...President Bush's stance makes exceptions for the case of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is threatened....compassionate conservatism...

 

[Jule]

Originally posted by leojoeyjoe
They do...President Bush's stance makes exceptions for the case of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is threatened....compassionate conservatism...

Logically, if the fetus is a human being, then rape, incest, etc. should not be exceptions for allowing legal abortions. Just a thought.


For me, if a state wants to ban abortion and the Supreme Court overules Roe v. Wade to allow it, the world isnt going to end. People will still get abortions, just in other states--it basically just hurts poor people, but thats nothing new. A federal ban on abortion just isnt going to happen, not without a HUGE nasty, unbelievable politcal fight. Roe v. Wade is a nice compromise, and I hope it stays in place, but I can understand why people might object to it as overstepping judicial authority, which is quite an issue apart from abortion.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by proud_savagette
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/01/abortion.lawsuits.ap/
can someone please just give me a break? I'm a woman, and I don't see how abortion in general infringes on a "woman's right to choose." If I go have unprotected sex and end up pregnant, than it's my fault and my partner's fault. when will women get the hint and frikkin' decide to take the consequences of their own frikkin' actions????

I agree that for the most part women and men should be responsible for their actions. There are reasons other than unprotected sex that might lead a woman to want to get an abortion though!

 

[leojoeyjoe]

it is "logical" to allow the birth of a human being even it will will kill another? No...it just suits your argument to say it is...what's logical is to make common sense exceptions when the life of the mother is threatened because we all know the fetus lives but we do not think a woman should die because she got pregnant....THIS is a nice compromise...woe-vs-rade allows for infanticide...nothing "nice" about that....

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by proud_savagette
You aren't out of school yet?

lol, re: my last reply(a minute ago), I didn't realize we already had a dialogue going

I have been out of college for 5 years but am doing some additional training, now, in the field of Network Security and Disaster Recovery. I'm working towards my MCSE (http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/)

My English degree wasn't paying the bills.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Jule
Logically, if the fetus is a human being, then rape, incest, etc. should not be exceptions for allowing legal abortions. Just a thought.

Good point.
How can one use the 'abortion is murder arguement' when discussing abortion, and then justify it in certain instances.

Wow, that's a really good point.

I'm no "fan" of abortion, but I'm wired differently than a woman so I look at it from the perspective of someone who is a man and can't get pregnant. The part of me that cringes when I hear some anti-abortion speeches, is that it is basically men telling women when they can do what with their bodies.

And I think the hypocrisy(sp?) of some of the arguements have been outlined above.

Really, though, this has to be the most unresolved, serious issue facing our country these days.
EDIT: plus that terrorism thing

 

[leojoeyjoe]

My English degree wasn't paying the bills.

i'm feeling that burn right now....jesus!!!

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by leojoeyjoe
i'm feeling that burn right now....jesus!!!

Yeah, hopefully Jesus can help you there ;-)

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by nycflasher
Good point.
How can one use the 'abortion is murder arguement' when discussing abortion, and then justify it in certain instances.

Wow, that's a really good point.

I'm no "fan" of abortion, but I'm wired differently than a woman so I look at it from the perspective of someone who is a man and can't get pregnant. The part of me that cringes when I hear some anti-abortion speeches, is that it is basically men telling women when they can do what with their bodies.

And I think the hypocrisy(sp?) of some of the arguements have been outlined above.

Really, though, this has to be the most unresolved, serious issue facing our country these days.
EDIT: plus that terrorism thing

It makes me cringe to hear (read) there are people gullible enough to believe in, and use the phrase "A man shouldn't tell a woman what to do with her body" when the topic is abortion.

It's the sign of a weak mind, imsho.

 

[ajwps]

Originally posted by -=d=-

It makes me cringe to hear (read) there are people gullible enough to believe in, and use the phrase "A man shouldn't tell a woman what to do with her body" when the topic is abortion.

It's the sign of a weak mind, imsho.

It makes me cringe to hear (read) there are people gullible enough to believe in, and use the phrase "A Muslim man should have his wife beheaded when she refuses to let him escort her outside of her home"

When the topic is abortion should the women tell the men to get their testicles cut off because G-d didn't choose to mention that abortion is wrong or right.

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by ajwps
It makes me cringe to hear (read) there are people gullible enough to believe in, and use the phrase "A Muslim man should have his wife beheaded when she refuses to let him escort her outside of her home"

When the topic is abortion should the women tell the men to get their testicles cut off because G-d didn't choose to mention that abortion is wrong or right.

Amazing. thought ive seen anything. Youve compared to telling someone not to murder another to murdering another for walking outside. Oh the travesty. What right does anyone have to tell someone not to kill someone. perish the thought.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by -=d=-
It makes me cringe to hear (read) there are people gullible enough to believe in, and use the phrase "A man shouldn't tell a woman what to do with her body" when the topic is abortion.

It's the sign of a weak mind, imsho.

Well, forunately the Supreme Court disagreed with you. Those weak-minded sons of bitches.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by ajwps
When the topic is abortion should the women tell the men to get their testicles cut off because G-d didn't choose to mention that abortion is wrong or right.

lol, you've lost me there.