Federal judge blocks TX "show your papers" law

First hispanic isn't a race, it an ethnicity. Second if a cop has a reasonable suspension you are violating the law, that he can articulate, he can stop you. See Terry Stop.


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VIsa oversatay is not a crime, it's an administrative violation.
/----/ Get a freaking clue, will ya?

Becoming American: Understanding legal and Illegal Immigration
What is an illegal alien?

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 defines an alien as a person who is not a citizen or national of the United States. In other words, an alien is anyone born in a country other than the United States to parents who are not United States citizens.

An illegal alien is someone who is living in the United States illegally; either without the correct legal documentation or by violating the terms of documentation, such as overstaying the time period specified on a tourist or student visa. Illegal aliens have no legal status in the United States. Among other things, illegal immigrants cannot vote, receive social services from federally funded programs, social security benefits, or hold United States passports.

Illegal aliens are subject to detainment and deportation at any time, as are legal aliens if they commit and are convicted of a crime. In many cases however, unless an illegal alien has committed a crime and been convicted, most are not detained or removed from the U.S. simply because they cannot be identified as illegal aliens.
 
Federal judge blocks Texas' tough 'sanctuary cities' law

I feel sorry for the Texas legislature, having had a setback in their efforts to dismantle the Bill of Rights of the US constitution....


I missed the part in the constitution that says no one has to prove citizenship. Matter of fact, some states require one to posses an ID. This judge will be overruled as they typically are by the supreme court. All in all, this judge did nothing but get a blerb on Fox News. I doubt highly when the law go's back into effect the op will create a thread pointing it out.

I missed where the constitution requires a citizen to have an ID. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

And, no. No state law requires you to have an ID just to walk around in public. Perhaps you are thinking about 1938 Germany?


Actually many do.


Stop and identify statutes - Wikipedia


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I had an incident similar to this one when I was a kid partying on 6th in Austin. In order to have that hat fun, I needed two things. Money and a state issued ID.
 
Got it, Tree. You get to decide who is an illegal alien, not the court. I guess that means that we don't really need courts, do we?
You are clueless. You can't have past an 8th grade education and you can barely read and write English. US IMMIGRATION LAW determines who is an ILLEGAL, not your SCUMBAG OBAMA CUM GUZZLING ACTIVIST JUDGES trying to change the laws in this country.

And don't think I didn't notice your running away from my factual post on the 14th Amendment, Jurisdiction, & what a naturalized citizen is.

Damn, Tree. I had no idea! All my life, I have thought that only a judge or jury can rule on whether or not someone broke the law.!!!

Somebody needs to let the Supreme Court in on this!

Again, you are a moron.

There are different types of JURISDICTION IDIOT.

The First JURISDICTION is Immigration Law in THE US which applies to all NON CITIZENS.
The Bill of Rights does not apply to these people, and that is why we can Detain and Deport them without a trial, and the second it is verified they are illegal boot their ******* asses out of THE US. DUE PROCESS DOES NOT APPLY.

The 2nd Level of Jurisdiction is US FEDERAL CODE. Illegals come under US JURISDICTION WHEN THEY VIOLATE IT, and THEN THEY CAN HAVE A TRIAL, NOT FOR entering the country illegally, but for Violating US CODE, and for SENTENCING. After Sentencing and serving it, they are remanded back to the 1st level and should be immediately deported.

The 3rd and 4th levels of Jurisdiction, are State and Local codes.

An IlIegal under the 1st level can violate the 2nd, 3rd and 4th levels of Law, and come under that jurisdiction and be prosecuted for offenses. After they serve sentence, they are remanded back to the 1st level where DUE PROCESS does not apply, same as when they are remanded from 2nd Level back to 1st under IMMIGRATION LAW.

Just get the **** out of here, because you have ZERO Knowledge about THE LAW.

Ok, I will post yet another video of people refusing to show their ID at border checkpoints, because the BP has no constitutional right to demand IDs unless they have probable cause that you are committing a crime:


?----/ Why be a dick? Are you hiding something?


It may not appear this way to you, but I am trying to hide my contempt for those that want to repeal the Bill of Rights.
 
Fact, illegals pour into our country killing, raping, robbing Americans, flooding our cities with drugs, and Democrats defend them at every turn siding with illegals over American citizens and victims. FACT!
 

Dumbass

Your citation

"Stop and identify" statutes are statutory laws in the United States that authorize police[1] to legally obtain the identification of someone whom they reasonably suspect of having committed a crime. If there is no reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed, an individual is not required to provide identification, even in "Stop and ID" states.


Guess you missed my post about a Terry stop.


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The state is interfering with local police. They can not force local police forces to enforce immigration law. Also removing democratically elected local governments is a police state mentality. Yet Greg Abbott claims to be a conservative.


Here is the thing, the jails let setbacks loose and they are typically multiple offenders. DUI, rape, child molestation, assault, burgelery and so on. The state makes no effort to remove them. So if state and county won't enforce the law, then take away all federal money to that department. Don't shut them down. When then illegals rape a child or kill people drunk driving then shame the department out of existence. Better yet, if they want all the cool old army stuff, then tell them to enforce the law.

So, the focus here is on Illegal immigrants who rape. Oddly enough, I don't know anybody who has ever been raped by an illegal immigrant. Are you mostly concerned with illegal immigrants who are latino, or are you just as concerned about illegal immigrants who are Canadian? (BTW, there are more Canadians overstaying their visas than there are Latinos).

Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S. who overstay deadline to leave


I do. It was a chick who like her man was illegal. She was 17 and he was 43. He beat the teeth out of her head and raped her. That dude likely don't vote. But yes, my deal is not letting illegal Mexicans vote. They don't deserve a say in any matter that Americans are mulling. No non citizen does. Pennsylvania has voted ID laws. Black people got ID just and a senator from Penn. even has instructions on how to get ID to vote. Other then emotional reasons, there is no good reason not to require ID. None.

Reason not to require an ID?

It is unconstitutional.



So then What rights are being infringed? Mind you, poll workers in Texas already have to show ID. Is that unconstitutional?


Then pleas show us cases where banks were ruled against for requiring ID, same for electric companies apartments or for that matter, any rental property period be it residential or commercial? You can not. The real reason there is all this resistance to voter ID laws is because anshit ton of identity theft would be brought to lite, not because black peoplencant affored ID that's free to them. Maybe if Juan pack gutterez or Ching paw wong draws a mortgage in your name it will matter to ya?



Illegal immigrants turn to identity theft

The most common start to identity theft is for the perpetrator get hold of someone's Social Security number, which is part of the system used to record people's earnings for federal retirement benefits. Once a person takes a job in the U.S., the first thing his employer will likely ask for is his or her Social Security number.



Or god forbid any children you hold dear,


IRS doesn’t tell 1 million taxpayers that illegal immigrants stole their Social Security numbers


million Americans whose Social Security numbers were stolen by illegal immigrants, but officials never bothered to tell the taxpayers themselves, the agency’s inspector general said in a withering new report released Tuesday.


A dude I know had his four year old daughters identity stolen.


Was any of that theft unconstitutional? And that takes us back to feed stamps. You still have to prove who you and your family are. That requires ID. Then there is the other issue, and it's kind of a fact, non citizens don't get to do all the stuff citizens do. It's a fact. It's law.

Your are stretching your point to the absurd. My position is, and the Supreme Court, and the constitution agree, that the government can not require you to have an ID as you go lawfully about your business. it is as simple as that.
 
Here is the thing, the jails let setbacks loose and they are typically multiple offenders. DUI, rape, child molestation, assault, burgelery and so on. The state makes no effort to remove them. So if state and county won't enforce the law, then take away all federal money to that department. Don't shut them down. When then illegals rape a child or kill people drunk driving then shame the department out of existence. Better yet, if they want all the cool old army stuff, then tell them to enforce the law.

So, the focus here is on Illegal immigrants who rape. Oddly enough, I don't know anybody who has ever been raped by an illegal immigrant. Are you mostly concerned with illegal immigrants who are latino, or are you just as concerned about illegal immigrants who are Canadian? (BTW, there are more Canadians overstaying their visas than there are Latinos).

Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S. who overstay deadline to leave


I do. It was a chick who like her man was illegal. She was 17 and he was 43. He beat the teeth out of her head and raped her. That dude likely don't vote. But yes, my deal is not letting illegal Mexicans vote. They don't deserve a say in any matter that Americans are mulling. No non citizen does. Pennsylvania has voted ID laws. Black people got ID just and a senator from Penn. even has instructions on how to get ID to vote. Other then emotional reasons, there is no good reason not to require ID. None.

Reason not to require an ID?

It is unconstitutional.



So then What rights are being infringed? Mind you, poll workers in Texas already have to show ID. Is that unconstitutional?


Then pleas show us cases where banks were ruled against for requiring ID, same for electric companies apartments or for that matter, any rental property period be it residential or commercial? You can not. The real reason there is all this resistance to voter ID laws is because anshit ton of identity theft would be brought to lite, not because black peoplencant affored ID that's free to them. Maybe if Juan pack gutterez or Ching paw wong draws a mortgage in your name it will matter to ya?



Illegal immigrants turn to identity theft

The most common start to identity theft is for the perpetrator get hold of someone's Social Security number, which is part of the system used to record people's earnings for federal retirement benefits. Once a person takes a job in the U.S., the first thing his employer will likely ask for is his or her Social Security number.



Or god forbid any children you hold dear,


IRS doesn’t tell 1 million taxpayers that illegal immigrants stole their Social Security numbers


million Americans whose Social Security numbers were stolen by illegal immigrants, but officials never bothered to tell the taxpayers themselves, the agency’s inspector general said in a withering new report released Tuesday.


A dude I know had his four year old daughters identity stolen.


Was any of that theft unconstitutional? And that takes us back to feed stamps. You still have to prove who you and your family are. That requires ID. Then there is the other issue, and it's kind of a fact, non citizens don't get to do all the stuff citizens do. It's a fact. It's law.

Your are stretching your point to the absurd. My position is, and the Supreme Court, and the constitution agree, that the government can not require you to have an ID as you go lawfully about your business. it is as simple as that.

The founders never considered that traitors in our own government would protect and enable foreigners to invade our country, killing, raping, assaulting our citizens otherwise the illegal collaborators like Obama would be in prison.
 
I missed where the constitution requires a citizen to have an ID. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

And, no. No state law requires you to have an ID just to walk around in public. Perhaps you are thinking about 1938 Germany?

Myeah, they do. It's how towns are able to bust folks for vagrancy. One of many. Now, you have to have picture ID to drive, when I got shots to protect me from nasty water I had to show I'd. Before it flooded up out east I had to get a motel room, they required me to show ID. Ran out of cash, diddnt have my card. Paired for gas with a check. Had to show ID. Went to the bank to get more checks. Had to show ID. Went to Specs to restock my booze. Had to show some I'd. When I opened my bank account I had to show ID. On to shit like hospitals and social services. I was misinformed, but now, to get food stamps you have to show I'd. Don't have one because you are a wet back? They buy it for ya. Maybe different where you are, but that's how it is here. No one can point out one good reason a person living lawful in the USA should not have to show ID to vote. Oh, this last election was my fathers first. He bacamena US citizen. It took him 12 years due to time, events and money honestly. Know what he had to do to begin that process? He had to prove who he was. He had to show ID. How did he get along while he wasn't a citizen? Well he had a passport. He had to produce ID issued by someone other then the library. Anyway, this last election he worked as a poll volunteer. Know what he had to do? Prove his eligibility by showing ID. One can't do much without annID. Even my 8 year old has an ID. Why shouldn't people who are voting?

Crix, vagrancy laws were void by federal courts decades ago. I repeat. You are not required by law to have an IF just to be walking around in public.

"In the 1960s, laws proven unacceptably broad and vague were found to violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.[citation needed] Such laws could no longer be used to obstruct the "freedom of speech" of a political demonstrator or an unpopular group. Ambiguous vagrancy laws became more narrowly and clearly defined.[citation needed]"

Vagrancy (people) - Wikipedia

While you are correct, the reality is that in modern society, one cannot function without an ID. You can't even so much as even check out a book.

Fine, but to legislate that ID requirement is a violation of our constitutional rights. Not only that, I often walk in my neighborhood without my billfold. That is NOT against the law.


No, but let's be real. It's 12:30 AM. You are enjoying a nice cold ass beer after a long ass awesome ride on a sunny day, and you notice this tall lanky **** strolling up the side walk. Dude is not from your neighborhood, and the neighbors were. Broken into last month. Maybe you call the cops, maybe you don't, but say a cop that knows the neighborhood stops the guy. Is it okay to ask that guy Who he is, where he lives and what he is doing there at that hour? Then, would it be unreasonable for that cop to ask the guy to prove what he says by showing ID? What if the guys

I serve on the Sheriff Auxiliary Volunteers. I patrol in a marked car, in uniform, with a badge. We run into this kind of situation all the time. I can ask, but unless there is probable cause that he is a criminal, he can refuse to tell me. When that happens, we just let him kow that he is being watched.
 
BTW, folks, you don't have to cooperate at a DUI checkpoint unless they have probable cause, either:




You're full of crap, every State has implied consent laws the a apply anytime you operate a motor vehicle on public roads.


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So, this didn't happen, did it?




Apples and oranges. BP in not a State law enforcement officer.


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My constitutional civil rights trump state law. If you don't believe me, go dig up George Wallace, and ask him. I could be arrested illegally for failure to cooperate with a state cop, but if I choose to spend the money, I would win in court, unless he had probable cause. If you don't believe that, ask Sheriff Joe.
 
You are clueless. You can't have past an 8th grade education and you can barely read and write English. US IMMIGRATION LAW determines who is an ILLEGAL, not your SCUMBAG OBAMA CUM GUZZLING ACTIVIST JUDGES trying to change the laws in this country.

And don't think I didn't notice your running away from my factual post on the 14th Amendment, Jurisdiction, & what a naturalized citizen is.

Damn, Tree. I had no idea! All my life, I have thought that only a judge or jury can rule on whether or not someone broke the law.!!!

Somebody needs to let the Supreme Court in on this!

Again, you are a moron.

There are different types of JURISDICTION IDIOT.

The First JURISDICTION is Immigration Law in THE US which applies to all NON CITIZENS.
The Bill of Rights does not apply to these people, and that is why we can Detain and Deport them without a trial, and the second it is verified they are illegal boot their ******* asses out of THE US. DUE PROCESS DOES NOT APPLY.

The 2nd Level of Jurisdiction is US FEDERAL CODE. Illegals come under US JURISDICTION WHEN THEY VIOLATE IT, and THEN THEY CAN HAVE A TRIAL, NOT FOR entering the country illegally, but for Violating US CODE, and for SENTENCING. After Sentencing and serving it, they are remanded back to the 1st level and should be immediately deported.

The 3rd and 4th levels of Jurisdiction, are State and Local codes.

An IlIegal under the 1st level can violate the 2nd, 3rd and 4th levels of Law, and come under that jurisdiction and be prosecuted for offenses. After they serve sentence, they are remanded back to the 1st level where DUE PROCESS does not apply, same as when they are remanded from 2nd Level back to 1st under IMMIGRATION LAW.

Just get the **** out of here, because you have ZERO Knowledge about THE LAW.

Ok, I will post yet another video of people refusing to show their ID at border checkpoints, because the BP has no constitutional right to demand IDs unless they have probable cause that you are committing a crime:


?----/ Why be a dick? Are you hiding something?


It may not appear this way to you, but I am trying to hide my contempt for those that want to repeal the Bill of Rights.

/----/ Save your contempt for the Left who riot against free speech.
 
BTW, folks, you don't have to cooperate at a DUI checkpoint unless they have probable cause, either:




You're full of crap, every State has implied consent laws the a apply anytime you operate a motor vehicle on public roads.


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So, this didn't happen, did it?




Apples and oranges. BP in not a State law enforcement officer.


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My constitutional civil rights trump state law. If you don't believe me, go dig up George Wallace, and ask him. I could be arrested illegally for failure to cooperate with a state cop, but if I choose to spend the money, I would win in court, unless he had probable cause. If you don't believe that, ask Sheriff Joe.

/---/ So you're of with the 2nd Amendment trumping state gun laws, right?
 
BTW, folks, you don't have to cooperate at a DUI checkpoint unless they have probable cause, either:



No, but you'll more than likely be arrested if you don't.

Arrested for what?


For not cooperating. Now, you don't have to answer questions, etc. But you just can't not cooperate. You can't refuse to stop, you can't refuse to roll down the window. You can refuse to take a breath test and you know what? They'll lock your ass up and forcibly draw blood from you.
 
An illegal alien is someone who is living in the United States illegally; either without the correct legal documentation or by violating the terms of documentation, such as overstaying the time period specified on a tourist or student visa. Illegal aliens have no legal status in the United States. Among other things, illegal immigrants cannot vote, receive social services from federally funded programs, social security benefits, or hold United States passports.

Illegal aliens are subject to detainment and deportation at any time, as are legal aliens if they commit and are convicted of a crime.

If being an illegal alien was a crime, why aren't they in jail?

Because it's not a crime, it's an administrative violation, subjecting them to deportation.
 
Damn, Tree. I had no idea! All my life, I have thought that only a judge or jury can rule on whether or not someone broke the law.!!!

Somebody needs to let the Supreme Court in on this!

Again, you are a moron.

There are different types of JURISDICTION IDIOT.

The First JURISDICTION is Immigration Law in THE US which applies to all NON CITIZENS.
The Bill of Rights does not apply to these people, and that is why we can Detain and Deport them without a trial, and the second it is verified they are illegal boot their ******* asses out of THE US. DUE PROCESS DOES NOT APPLY.

The 2nd Level of Jurisdiction is US FEDERAL CODE. Illegals come under US JURISDICTION WHEN THEY VIOLATE IT, and THEN THEY CAN HAVE A TRIAL, NOT FOR entering the country illegally, but for Violating US CODE, and for SENTENCING. After Sentencing and serving it, they are remanded back to the 1st level and should be immediately deported.

The 3rd and 4th levels of Jurisdiction, are State and Local codes.

An IlIegal under the 1st level can violate the 2nd, 3rd and 4th levels of Law, and come under that jurisdiction and be prosecuted for offenses. After they serve sentence, they are remanded back to the 1st level where DUE PROCESS does not apply, same as when they are remanded from 2nd Level back to 1st under IMMIGRATION LAW.

Just get the **** out of here, because you have ZERO Knowledge about THE LAW.

Ok, I will post yet another video of people refusing to show their ID at border checkpoints, because the BP has no constitutional right to demand IDs unless they have probable cause that you are committing a crime:


?----/ Why be a dick? Are you hiding something?


It may not appear this way to you, but I am trying to hide my contempt for those that want to repeal the Bill of Rights.

/----/ Save your contempt for the Left who riot against free speech.


I, personally, have never been in a riot. Nor, have I killed anyone with my car who disagreed with me, politically.
 
15th post
You are clueless. You can't have past an 8th grade education and you can barely read and write English. US IMMIGRATION LAW determines who is an ILLEGAL, not your SCUMBAG OBAMA CUM GUZZLING ACTIVIST JUDGES trying to change the laws in this country.

And don't think I didn't notice your running away from my factual post on the 14th Amendment, Jurisdiction, & what a naturalized citizen is.

Damn, Tree. I had no idea! All my life, I have thought that only a judge or jury can rule on whether or not someone broke the law.!!!

Somebody needs to let the Supreme Court in on this!

Again, you are a moron.

There are different types of JURISDICTION IDIOT.

The First JURISDICTION is Immigration Law in THE US which applies to all NON CITIZENS.
The Bill of Rights does not apply to these people, and that is why we can Detain and Deport them without a trial, and the second it is verified they are illegal boot their ******* asses out of THE US. DUE PROCESS DOES NOT APPLY.

The 2nd Level of Jurisdiction is US FEDERAL CODE. Illegals come under US JURISDICTION WHEN THEY VIOLATE IT, and THEN THEY CAN HAVE A TRIAL, NOT FOR entering the country illegally, but for Violating US CODE, and for SENTENCING. After Sentencing and serving it, they are remanded back to the 1st level and should be immediately deported.

The 3rd and 4th levels of Jurisdiction, are State and Local codes.

An IlIegal under the 1st level can violate the 2nd, 3rd and 4th levels of Law, and come under that jurisdiction and be prosecuted for offenses. After they serve sentence, they are remanded back to the 1st level where DUE PROCESS does not apply, same as when they are remanded from 2nd Level back to 1st under IMMIGRATION LAW.

Just get the **** out of here, because you have ZERO Knowledge about THE LAW.

Ok, I will post yet another video of people refusing to show their ID at border checkpoints, because the BP has no constitutional right to demand IDs unless they have probable cause that you are committing a crime:


?----/ Why be a dick? Are you hiding something?


It may not appear this way to you, but I am trying to hide my contempt for those that want to repeal the Bill of Rights.



No one wants to do that. Hell, I like guns, porn (old school 80's) I like to come on here and say tasteless nasty things. Simply being able to prove who you are is not an assault on your rights. Matter of fact, it is a way of protecting them. When I used to go to Mexico I had to show ID to get across . Same for when I went into and out of Canada. Now I guess you need a passport. State ID, $21.00. Passport mine was 110 when I got it. Both were easy.
 
BTW, folks, you don't have to cooperate at a DUI checkpoint unless they have probable cause, either:



No, but you'll more than likely be arrested if you don't.

Arrested for what?


For not cooperating. Now, you don't have to answer questions, etc. But you just can't not cooperate. You can't refuse to stop, you can't refuse to roll down the window. You can refuse to take a breath test and you know what? They'll lock your ass up and forcibly draw blood from you.


{sigh!}

 
An illegal alien is someone who is living in the United States illegally; either without the correct legal documentation or by violating the terms of documentation, such as overstaying the time period specified on a tourist or student visa. Illegal aliens have no legal status in the United States. Among other things, illegal immigrants cannot vote, receive social services from federally funded programs, social security benefits, or hold United States passports.

Illegal aliens are subject to detainment and deportation at any time, as are legal aliens if they commit and are convicted of a crime.

If being an illegal alien was a crime, why aren't they in jail?

Because it's not a crime, it's an administrative violation, subjecting them to deportation.
/---/ OK so call LegalZoom and countless other Immigration law firms and set them straight. Give 'em a good talkin' too.
Immigration | Visa Overstay and Illegal Presence in the US | ISSS | Temple University
Visa Overstay and Illegal Presence in the US
OVERSTAY AND UNLAWFUL PRESENCE PROVISIONS
In September 1996, Congress passed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), which imposed penalties on those who stay in the United States beyond the period authorized by the Attorney General. Two new sections of the Immigration and Nationality Act were created to define these penalties:
 
Damn, Tree. I had no idea! All my life, I have thought that only a judge or jury can rule on whether or not someone broke the law.!!!

Somebody needs to let the Supreme Court in on this!

Again, you are a moron.

There are different types of JURISDICTION IDIOT.

The First JURISDICTION is Immigration Law in THE US which applies to all NON CITIZENS.
The Bill of Rights does not apply to these people, and that is why we can Detain and Deport them without a trial, and the second it is verified they are illegal boot their ******* asses out of THE US. DUE PROCESS DOES NOT APPLY.

The 2nd Level of Jurisdiction is US FEDERAL CODE. Illegals come under US JURISDICTION WHEN THEY VIOLATE IT, and THEN THEY CAN HAVE A TRIAL, NOT FOR entering the country illegally, but for Violating US CODE, and for SENTENCING. After Sentencing and serving it, they are remanded back to the 1st level and should be immediately deported.

The 3rd and 4th levels of Jurisdiction, are State and Local codes.

An IlIegal under the 1st level can violate the 2nd, 3rd and 4th levels of Law, and come under that jurisdiction and be prosecuted for offenses. After they serve sentence, they are remanded back to the 1st level where DUE PROCESS does not apply, same as when they are remanded from 2nd Level back to 1st under IMMIGRATION LAW.

Just get the **** out of here, because you have ZERO Knowledge about THE LAW.

Ok, I will post yet another video of people refusing to show their ID at border checkpoints, because the BP has no constitutional right to demand IDs unless they have probable cause that you are committing a crime:


?----/ Why be a dick? Are you hiding something?


It may not appear this way to you, but I am trying to hide my contempt for those that want to repeal the Bill of Rights.



No one wants to do that. Hell, I like guns, porn (old school 80's) I like to come on here and say tasteless nasty things. Simply being able to prove who you are is not an assault on your rights. Matter of fact, it is a way of protecting them. When I used to go to Mexico I had to show ID to get across . Same for when I went into and out of Canada. Now I guess you need a passport. State ID, $21.00. Passport mine was 110 when I got it. Both were easy.


If you don't mind someone trampling on your civil rights, that is fine with me. If someone tramples on mine, it is NOT alright with me.
 

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