Federal District Court judge Orders Return of El Salvador Citizen from El Salvador

[toobfreak]

Facilitate does not mean to initiate

In the loosest sense of the world, all facilitate means is to cooperate, assist, and Trump has already done that, his administration saying days ago that if El Salvador did not want the guy, Trump would arrange for him to be picked up and brought back here, to which the president of El Salvador said no thanks, we got him, we are keeping him.

Trump's job is done.

 

[schmidlap]

He is, he’s facilitated his return.

Moreover, Garcia status changed once his gang became a terrorist organization

As previously noted, the government has provided no evidence, to a grand jury or to a magistrate or to any third party, that Garcia is a member of a terrorist organization.

I shall defer to Districe Court Judge Xinis who will will assess whatever Trump submits, if anything, to show that he is complying with the Supreme Court's order to facilitate his release.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Pam Bondi offered to provide a plane, if El Salvador releases Kilmar Abrego Garcia:

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NAYIB BUKELE, EL SALVADORAN PRESIDENT: How can I return him to the United States, like I smuggle him into the United States.

I don't have the power to return him to the United States.

PAM BONDI, ATTORNEY GENERAL: That's up to El Salvador. If they want to return him, that's not up to us.

If they wanted to return him, we would facilitate it, meaning provide a plane.

TOM HOMAN, BORDER CZAR: El Salvador would have to agree to release him. It doesn't sound like they're going to,

STEPHEN MILLER, WHITE HOUSE DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF FOR POLICY: That would be kidnapping that we have to kidnap an El Salvadoran citizen against the will of his government and fly him back to America, which would be an unimaginable act and an invasion of El Salvador's sovereignty.

CNN.com - Transcripts

So, why are we even discussing whether the Trump administration is complying with the USSC order to facilitate his being sent to the U.S. again?

 

[Seymour Flops]

The Supreme Court, in a unanimous ruling, ordered the Trump regime to facilitate the release of the man it had improperly deported and is paying El Salvador to keep imprisoned.

It has done that. See above.

 

[struth]

As previously noted, the government has provided no evidence, to a grand jury or to a magistrate or to any third party, that Garcia is a member of a terrorist organization.

I shall defer to the judge who will will assess whatever Trump submits to show that he is complying with the Supreme Court's order to facilitate his release.

Not sure what you are noting rheg have offered plenty of evidence. You seem to just want to ignore it. The overwhelming evidence is why he was denied bond by the immigrant judges

Not sure what you mean by a grand jury, this was a immigrant hearing, there is no grand jury

 

[schmidlap]

It has done that. See above.

That is for District Judge Xinis to determine.

 

[struth]

That is for District Judge Xinis to determine.

Well no it’s for scotus to determine

 

[schmidlap]

Not sure what you are noting rheg have offered plenty of evidence. You seem to just want to ignore it. The overwhelming evidence is why he was denied bond by the immigrant judges

Not sure what you mean by a grand jury, this was a immigrant hearing, there is no grand jury

The Trump regime has offered no proof that Garcia is a member of MS-13, nor ever been convicted of any crimes.

That is why the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that Trump must facilitate his release.

 

[struth]

The Trump regime has offered no proof that Garcia is a member of MS-13, nor ever been convicted of any crimes.

That is why the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that Trump must facilitate his release.

Yes the trump admin has. He didn’t have to be convicted of a crime to be deported

They ruled he had to facilitate his return because the prior deportation order said he couldn’t be deported to his home due to credibile threats from a rival gang.

 

[schmidlap]

Yes the trump admin has. He didn’t have to be convicted of a crime to be deported

They ruled he had to facilitate his return because the prior deportation order said he couldn’t be deported to his home due to credibile threats from a rival gang.

Specifically, what MS-13 terrorist activities has Abrego Garcia been confirmed as having participated in over the thirteen years he has lived and worked in Maryland?

 

[struth]

Specifically, what MS-13 terrorist activities has Abrego Garcia been confirmed as having participated in over the thirteen years he has lived and worked in Maryland?

Don’t know, dont care

 

[schmidlap]

Don’t know, dont care

If there is no evidence of his ever engaging in any MS-13 activities, you may want to consider that Trump minions have cited credible reports of his wearing a Chicago Bulls cap.

 

[schmidlap]

schmidlap

It has done that. See above.

No.​

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...“The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order,” U.S. Circuit Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson wrote for the unanimous three-judge panel. ​

Wilkinson, an appointee of former President Reagan, rebuked the Trump administration’s claim that “there is nothing that can be done,” writing, “This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.”​

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[WEATHER53]

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    Due Process and the Abrego Garcia Case

    One hardly had to be Nostradamus to have predicted, as I did soon after Trump was sworn in, that the day was fast approaching when President Trump would

    reason.com
  • A 2019 court order expressly prohibits Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador because he faced a "clear probability of future persecution" there and had "demonstrated that El Salvadoran authorities were and would be unable or unwilling to protect him."
  • In March, 2025 without any notice or a warrant, ICE agents seized him, placed him on a plane, and transported him to an El Salvadoran prison (the "Center for Terrorism Confinement," (CECOT)).
  • Abrego Garcia has not been charged with any crime. No warrants have been issued against him or his property.
  • The government has asserted ... that he is a member of MS-13...
  • The government, however, has provided no evidence, to a grand jury or to a magistrate or to any third party, that it is true.
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• If Trump corrects his admitted mistake in deporting a man with no criminal record, he can then charge him with whatever he can present evidence to document.

Trump must comply with the law. He is not above it.

El Salvador has to comply with zero and that’s where the responsibility lies. Libs so do not understand responsibility that they do not only avoid it but try to assign it to the wrong party

 

[schmidlap]

El Salvador has to comply with zero and that’s where the responsibility lies. Libs so do not understand responsibility that they do not only avoid it but try to assign it to the wrong party

I'm not interested in your obsession with your "libs."

My concern is for deference to the U.S, Constitution and the requirement of "due process" - in this case, a unanimous Supreme Court ruling that the Trump regime must facilitate the release of the man it illegally deported, and is paying a dictator to keep imprisoned.

If the regime can confirm evidence of his having ever participated in terrorist activities - beyond wearing a Chicago Bulls cap - it can then legally deport him somewhere.

 

[WEATHER53]

I'm not interested in your obsession with your "libs."

My concern is for deference to the U.S, Constitution and the requirement of "due process" - in this case, a unanimous Supreme Court ruling that the Trump regime must facilitate the release of the man it illegally deported, and is paying a dictator to keep imprisoned.

If the regime can confirm evidence of his having ever participated in terrorist activities - beyond wearing a Chicago Bulls cap - it can then legally deport him somewhere.

That guy does not have constitutional benefits so first words from you are wrong

 

[EvilCat Breath]

These activist judges are ordering foreign governments to turn over their citizens to be sent to the United States. What do they intend to do when heads of state refuse?

 

[WEATHER53]

These activist judges are ordering foreign governments to turn over their citizens to be sent to the United States. What do they intend to do when heads of state refuse?

They are avoiding that very obvious situation and choose their fanciful declarations instead

 

[schmidlap]

That guy does not have constitutional benefits so first words from you are wrong

You appear to be confused. Even if the father of three legally residing in Maryland for a decade, with no criminal record, had been seen wearing a Chicago Bulls cap, he is protected under the 5th and 14th Amendments.

Noncitizens undeniably have a wide range of rights under the Constitution. Indeed, within the borders of the United States, they have most of the same rights as citizens do... There is little if any serious controversy among experts over this matter.​

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The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.​

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https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep533/usrep533678/usrep533678.pdf

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Again, I support the Constitution and the Supreme Court being respected.

We are a nation of laws.

 

[j-mac]

My concern is for deference to the U.S, Constitution and the requirement of "due process" - in this case, a unanimous Supreme Court ruling that the Trump regime must facilitate the release of the man it illegally deported, and is paying a dictator to keep imprisoned.

Hmmm....I guess FDR was a dictator as well?

If the regime can confirm evidence of his having ever participated in terrorist activities - beyond wearing a Chicago Bulls cap - it can then legally deport him somewhere.

You like most other dems, are two steps behind....

The fact is, he already gone, and not coming back.