FDR Admiration Society

[Camp]

FDR saved the free world....Great President

FDR made everyone born after March 9th, 1933 as a surety of the debt via their birth certificate.....how was that a good thing? He made everyone a 14th amendment citizen subject to acts, statutes and codes using Admiralty law instead of the organic Constitution....how did he "free" anyone???

It was good for a few hundred million American who retired with enough funds to live their last years with dignity and a level of comfort. That is provable undeniable fact. Seventy plus years of retired people able to collect funding for retirement. Those other things you mention are just speculations and opinions of a political nature and agenda. But those old times collecting monthly checks for over 70 years is fact, not speculation or opinion.

When the birth certificate was monetized, it was put as a worth of 1 million dollars that then turned into 9 million dollars worth of loans with usury attached to it due to fractional reserve banking. With the gold confiscation of the American people that was then stolen by the Fed bankers, our bills were to be essentially paid because we were no longer using money but debt notes so "da gubermint" DID not give anyone anything . The birth certificate bond matures when the "person" (i.e a corporate entity turns 18) and from that point on starts earning real interest for whichever bank purchased it based on your earnings, taxes and other "gubermint" penalties and fees that you pay over your lifetime. They collect the balance on that bond with your death certificate. The bond that was created could only be used as collateral with our permission and that was why the S.S law was put into place...once you signed off on it, you made "da gubermint" the trustee on that bond in exchange for social security, unemployment insurance that was later used to tax you and your employer to fund through an extraction of your labor...so much shit that you don't know and understand and I doubt that you even have the intellect to understand it.

I understand the method you use to imply intelligence and knowledge that may or may not exist in reality. People who are unable to perform intellectually due to a lack of formal education often delve into fringe beliefs and theories that most are not aware of or even interested in knowing about because they are thought to be wacko goofball stuff. However, becoming an expert on this kind of nonsense gives folks the ability to do exactly what you do. You can always be right and always be more knowledgeable than the other guys because nobody knows or gives a crap about knowing your expertise. Hence, you are an expert in your own little imaginative world.

 

[Dale Smith]

So when all is said and done, FDR is still rated one of the top three American presidents by conservative historians and number one by the other historians. All the historians being America's best presidential experts. Maybe arguing with historians is not the best way to defame FDR, how about a vision, Stalin appearing at night and telling the truth about FDR, or the discovery of FDR's secret papers?

FDR saved the free world....Great President

FDR made everyone born after March 9th, 1933 as a surety of the debt via their birth certificate.....how was that a good thing? He made everyone a 14th amendment citizen subject to acts, statutes and codes using Admiralty law instead of the organic Constitution....how did he "free" anyone???

It was good for a few hundred million American who retired with enough funds to live their last years with dignity and a level of comfort. That is provable undeniable fact. Seventy plus years of retired people able to collect funding for retirement. Those other things you mention are just speculations and opinions of a political nature and agenda. But those old times collecting monthly checks for over 70 years is fact, not speculation or opinion.

When the birth certificate was monetized, it was put as a worth of 1 million dollars that then turned into 9 million dollars worth of loans with usury attached to it due to fractional reserve banking. With the gold confiscation of the American people that was then stolen by the Fed bankers, our bills were to be essentially paid because we were no longer using money but debt notes so "da gubermint" DID not give anyone anything . The birth certificate bond matures when the "person" (i.e a corporate entity turns 18) and from that point on starts earning real interest for whichever bank purchased it based on your earnings, taxes and other "gubermint" penalties and fees that you pay over your lifetime. They collect the balance on that bond with your death certificate. The bond that was created could only be used as collateral with our permission and that was why the S.S law was put into place...once you signed off on it, you made "da gubermint" the trustee on that bond in exchange for social security, unemployment insurance that was later used to tax you and your employer to fund through an extraction of your labor...so much shit that you don't know and understand and I doubt that you even have the intellect to understand it.

I understand the method you use to imply intelligence and knowledge that may or may not exist in reality. People who are unable to perform intellectually due to a lack of formal education often delve into fringe beliefs and theories that most are not aware of or even interested in knowing about because they are thought to be wacko goofball stuff. However, becoming an expert on this kind of nonsense gives folks the ability to do exactly what you do. You can always be right and always be more knowledgeable than the other guys because nobody knows or gives a crap about knowing your expertise. Hence, you are an expert in your own little imaginative world.

You would be 100 percent wrong on this. I have spent thousands upon thousands of hours researching and vetting information because this is my passion. I threw off the "left versus right" paradigm a long time ago...you cling to it because ideology is more precious to you than facts. You cling to a belief because that is what you have been trained to believe...critical thinking be damned. The information is out there to enlighten people but you have to do due diligence and you have to have a true passion for it and I do. I care about everyone and I see how we have been deceived, used and manipulated. The sweat of our brow has been stolen while the elites have used the machinations of the financial system that they control to buy up assets using a worthless fiat currency while leaving us to fend for scraps. I understand more than you could even fathom. I started and studied from the inception of the Virginia Company of the 1600's of America to where we got to today. The history we were taught was a 100 percent total lie because the victors are the ones that get to write the history and change it to benefit them....yeah, I know quite a bit and I am trying to share what I have learned. There have been many that have done the heavy lifting that gave me some starting points and I took it from there. People like Eustace Mullins, Ezra Pound, William Still, Antony Sutton, Jordan Maxwell, Dr John Coleman, Eric Jon Phelps and many other others gave me a map to search for the real truth and not the bullshit that has been taught to us by a public educational system that has the goal of teaching us what to think instead of how to think.....I have a very good grasp as to what has been done to us.

 

[gipper]

That is too funny even coming from you...you don't know anyone who learned the truth about Stalin's Stooge in the public schools...hahahahhaha.....................Do you know why? Because the public schools don't teach the truth, you silly uninformed FDR sycophant.

Glad you can see that politicians today are epic liars. We can agree on that, but unlike you I realize that this is nothing new. Unfortunately, you can't see it in FDR, who was a much greatly liar who caused tremendous death and suffering.

I am a 65-year-old 2nd generation east European who grew up with first-hand stories of the USSR as well as grandparents and other relatives that survived the Great Depression and a father and several uncles and 2nd cousins who fought in WWII. Our homes were always full of immigrants escaping from the USSR during the Cold War. I knew more about Stalin and the USSR as a child than you know as an adult.

That is too funny even coming from you...you don't know anyone who learned the truth about Stalin's Stooge in the public schools...hahahahhaha.....................Do you know why? Because the public schools don't teach the truth, you silly uninformed FDR sycophant.

Glad you can see that politicians today are epic liars. We can agree on that, but unlike you I realize that this is nothing new. Unfortunately, you can't see it in FDR, who was a much greatly liar who caused tremendous death and suffering.

It could also be that public schools don't like to teach wacko right wing conspiracy theories.

Means nothing. FDR is still Stalin's Stooge and a disgusting corrupt a-hole.

And...There is no way you know more about Stalin than I do. You prove it all time in your posts. I studied him and your boy friend FDR, for decades...and I can match your immigrant shit too. My wife's entire family are Lithuanians. Most were murdered in cold blood by FDR's best bud in Moscow. My father and many other relatives fought in WWII, luckily FDR did not succeed in murdering any of them, but many close calls.

Labas, have you been to Lituva? Vilnius has a wonderful old town of cobblestone streets and medieval buildings that escaped destruction during WWll. There is a great museum/bookstore a block away from the National Assembly that focuses on WWII and post-war relations with the USSR. It is a small hole in the wall kind of place that is easy to miss. Not as large as the Museum of Soviet Occupation in Riga, Latvia, but you can often meet with an author at the Vilnius location. Look for anything written or edited by Dalia Kuodyte.
The WWII Museum in Kaunas is also very interesting.
The formal title to what I refer to as a museum and bookstore in Vilnius is The Genocide and Resistance Research Centre of Lithuania.

Labas to you.

Yes my wife, her father and brothers have been back. Her father went in the mid-90s. It was the first time he returned since he fled Stalin's murderous gangs during the war. He told me of many terrible incidents in which he was nearly murdered by crazy drunk Russian troops. He had four brothers and three sisters. Only two survived Stalin's death camps. His father was beaten to death by Russian troops because he did not know where his sons were. His mother was raped repeatedly and left for dead by FDR's buddies. My father in-law would not learn of these horrors until the mid-60s, when a letter managed to get through the Iron Curtain censors.

The horrors of FDR's war caused by his Uncle Joe, are unknown to most Americans.

He was held at a DP camp in western Germany at wars end. Mrs. Roosevelt came to the camp to tell all to return to their homelands and not to fear Uncle Joe. All laughed at her and thankfully ignored her stupid lies. Even she was a prolific liar.

The Lithuanians favored the Nazi's and the Russians viewed them as collaborators. Many east European nations fought alongside the Nazi's on the eastern front against Russia. Poland was the country that got screwed, but most of the rest were just viewed as Nazi collaborators.
Often overlooked is that Lithuania had a viable resistance against the Soviets after the war that stymied Russian colonization/immigration. The result is that today the percentage of ethnic Russians are far lower in Lietuva than the other Baltic countries of Latvia and Estonia and Belarus, Ukraine, etc. They fought in the forest until 1953. It was actually one of the longest guerrilla wars in Europe in the 20th Century (Kuodyte and Tracivskis "The Unknown War" 2006).

Very true.

 

[Camp]

The anti-FDR folks have some words, theories and opinions of varying degrees of subjective speculation and sometimes, maybe often, just outright lies and trash talk hateful speech.
In between this threads obsessive anti-FDR post, despite it being called FDR ADMIRATION SOCIETY, I am attempting to post links of why I admire the era and politics of FDR. These links are to things that can be physically seen, heard, felt, touched and used in positive ways. They are the tangibles of the FDR legacy. Things that can not be argued of debated about positivity, worth and value.
History from the University of North Carolina
docsouth.unc.edu/blueridgeparkway/about/about_parkway/parkway/


Short three minute video of the Parkway from a travel company
youtube.com/watch?v=0B7KsNreilI

 

[PoliticalChic]

The fact is, that by allowing Stalin to set the perimeters...'unconditional surrender,' rather than surrender.....Roosevelt added 200,000 dead and wounded to the American toll.

Wadda guy, huh?

Frau Braun

Haven't we been over this unconditional surrender screed before?
Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?

"Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?"
You know, liar, that I never said Hitler would have surrendered.
Why do you continue to advanced the fib?
Oh....right....to shield Roosevelt.

Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, head of the Abwehr would have.

"Admiral Wilhelm Canaris. The head of the German Secret Service told Earle there were many sensible German people feeling that Hitler was leading their nation down a destructive path. Admiral Canaris continued that an honorable surrender from the German army to the American forces could be arranged."
Wilhelm Canaris | Jewish Virtual Library

Hitler would have Canaris strung up by his testicles if he attempted to negotiate on behalf of Germany

Actually....Hitler had Canaris hung twice.
Because Roosevelt wouldn't aid the resistance.....he was bespoken for by Stalin.
Good to see I've reduced you to basing your views on the Magic 8-Ball....no facts, no education....simply blind obedience to Roosevelt.



Need the names of a dozen of so other anti-Nazi, anti-communist Germans in the resistance with whom Roosevelt wouldn't allow the Allies to provide support????

"In a certain sense there was not a single year between 1933 and 1945 during which there was not some contact or attempt at contact, between the anti-Hitler opposition and either Britain or the Unites States, or both." The Greatest War Crime

Wilhelm Canaris

Franz von Papen

Colonel General Ludwig Beck Beginning in early 1937,"the first 'cell' of the Resistance Movement" was formed by Ludwig Beck, Army Chief of staff, and Carl Goerdeler, who had just resigned as Mayor of Leipzig as a gesture in defiance of Nazi anti-Semitism (Ritter,Goerdeler's Struggle, pp. 35-3G, 75-79). As financial adviser to the Robert Bosch firm of Stuttgart, Goerdeler was sent abroad by his employer "on business" between early 1937 and late 1939 to the U.S., Britain, Switzerland, Palestine and a dozen other countries, making contact with persons interested in the overthrow of Hitler's regime (Ibid, pp. 47, 81, 83, 305, 484; and Hoffmann,German Resistance, p. 153). The Greatest War Crime


Carl Friedrich Goerderler

Ulrich von Hassell

Johannes Popitz

Kurt von Hammerstein

Job Wilhelm Georg Erdmann Erwin von Witzleben(4 December 1881 – 8 August 1944) was aGermanofficer, by 1940 in the rank of aField Marshal(Generalfeldmarschall), and army commander in theSecond World War. A leading conspirator in the20 July plot,[1]he was designated to become Commander-in-Chief of theWehrmachtarmed forces in a post-Nazi regimehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_von_Witzleben


There were lots more....




Smashed you in the kisser with a custard pie, huh?

There were some twenty odd attempts on Hitlers life. Untold conspiracies to unseat him or undermine his authority. The Gestapo was quite adept at sniffing them out and dealing with the perpetrators accordingly
Admiral Canaris would be no different

Here's why:

1. JosephStalin was far more farsighted and clever than either Adolph Hitler, or Franklin Roosevelt.He was allied with both, at one time or another, and used both to further world communist domination.

Stalin looked toward goals that included spreading his version of international socialism throughout Europe, post-war, and toward this end needed any possible German resistance obliterated.

He used America and the Allies for this purpose....FDR made it easy to do that.



2. The Allies had the contacts with the anti-Nazi resistance in every other nation....except Germany.
Stalin forbid any talks with anti-Nazi Germans.

a. The Allied command was not allowed to support or associate itself with the anti-Nazi resistance.Following the Soviet orders,only unconditional surrender would be considered....an order which obviously prolonged the war;the German army, which would have overthrown Hitler and surrendered to the Allies,would not be allowed to expect any hand in determining conditions of their post-war treatment.


b. "A SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force)directive prohibited activities aimed at promoting German revolt against the Nazi regime.
The Allied doctrine of unconditional surrender meant that "... those Germans — and particularly those German generals — who might have been ready to throw Hitler over, and were able to do so, were discouraged from making the attempt by their inability to extract from the Allies any sort of assurance that such action would improve the treatment meted out to their country." German Resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


c."Archival evidence indicates thatthe Soviet’s wanted the war to continuelong enough for them to conquer Eastern Europe and in order for Germany to be utterly destroyed or “pastoralized” which was called for inthe Morgenthau Plan which was actually written by Soviet spy Harry Dexter White.The Soviets were also clamoring for a “second front” in France in order to deflect the allies out of Italy and the Balkans which was too close to Russia."
Chuck Morse Speaks: The Canaris Cover-up



So.....Stalin forbid contacts with the anti-Nazi, anti-Communist Germans
Roosevelt acquiesced...even though it prolonged the war and created over a hundred thousand US casualties.
German anti-Nazis were hung out to dry.....by Roosevelt.



3. On May 10, 1945, shortly after the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany, General Dwight Eisenhower saluted and gave credit to Europe's resistance forces. He mentioned them by name, as follows: France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. 'You fought on,' he said in a speech carried by the BBC, "regardless of the disappointments you suffered and the danger you have undergone."
NYTimes, May 11, 1945, "Eisenhower Praises Anti-Nazi Resistance."


a.Who is missing from Eisenhower's list of national anti-Nazi resistance?

That's right:German anti-Nazis, of whom thousands were executed by the Reich.
"The History of the German Resistance, 1933-1945, Third Edition," by Peter Hoffman



b. Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).

On page 140, Dulles states"The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.



c. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."




Never doubt me.
I'm never wrong.

 

[Dale Smith]

The anti-FDR folks have some words, theories and opinions of varying degrees of subjective speculation and sometimes, maybe often, just outright lies and trash talk hateful speech.
In between this threads obsessive anti-FDR post, despite it being called FDR ADMIRATION SOCIETY, I am attempting to post links of why I admire the era and politics of FDR. These links are to things that can be physically seen, heard, felt, touched and used in positive ways. They are the tangibles of the FDR legacy. Things that can not be argued of debated about positivity, worth and value.
History from the University of North Carolina
docsouth.unc.edu/blueridgeparkway/about/about_parkway/parkway/


Short three minute video of the Parkway from a travel company
youtube.com/watch?v=0B7KsNreilI

 

[rightwinger]

But yet weepy leftards like you want a totally unsecured southern border while taking in thousands of un-vetted muslims during this alleged fake war on terrorism. Plenty of stipends, perks and benefits for illegals while we have veterans that can't get treatment, can't find jobs and are homeless. Let me tell ya something, douchebag, FDR goaded Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor. The FDR admin cut off oil and steel to Japan while they were warring with China. The Japanese code had been broken a year before the attack and ships were sent there to be sunk. Not only that, they intentionally let sailors die that were tapping out Morse code SOS signals for up to 16 days after Pearl Harbor and never lifted a finger to help them because they needed a high body count and it was all done so Americans would support entering WWII to fight the Nazis that were financed by the banking oligarchs, Wall Street and the corporations that made huge profits off of concentration camp labor. Hitler was a Rothschild agent and he could have never risen to power without the help of monarchs and the good ol' USA.INC's owners....and that is a fact.

Learn, grow, evolve....I am here to help....

Nothing in your conspiracy theory is even remotely provable. Most of it is not even logical or sensible. Just ramblings like a retard on acid.

But yet weepy leftards like you want a totally unsecured southern border while taking in thousands of un-vetted muslims during this alleged fake war on terrorism. Plenty of stipends, perks and benefits for illegals while we have veterans that can't get treatment, can't find jobs and are homeless. Let me tell ya something, douchebag, FDR goaded Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor. The FDR admin cut off oil and steel to Japan while they were warring with China. The Japanese code had been broken a year before the attack and ships were sent there to be sunk. Not only that, they intentionally let sailors die that were tapping out Morse code SOS signals for up to 16 days after Pearl Harbor and never lifted a finger to help them because they needed a high body count and it was all done so Americans would support entering WWII to fight the Nazis that were financed by the banking oligarchs, Wall Street and the corporations that made huge profits off of concentration camp labor. Hitler was a Rothschild agent and he could have never risen to power without the help of monarchs and the good ol' USA.INC's owners....and that is a fact.

Learn, grow, evolve....I am here to help....

Nothing in your conspiracy theory is even remotely provable. Most of it is not even logical or sensible. Just ramblings like a retard on acid.

Do your own due diligence and then come back and tell me that I am wrong...I shan't hold my breath.

But yet weepy leftards like you want a totally unsecured southern border while taking in thousands of un-vetted muslims during this alleged fake war on terrorism. Plenty of stipends, perks and benefits for illegals while we have veterans that can't get treatment, can't find jobs and are homeless. Let me tell ya something, douchebag, FDR goaded Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor. The FDR admin cut off oil and steel to Japan while they were warring with China. The Japanese code had been broken a year before the attack and ships were sent there to be sunk. Not only that, they intentionally let sailors die that were tapping out Morse code SOS signals for up to 16 days after Pearl Harbor and never lifted a finger to help them because they needed a high body count and it was all done so Americans would support entering WWII to fight the Nazis that were financed by the banking oligarchs, Wall Street and the corporations that made huge profits off of concentration camp labor. Hitler was a Rothschild agent and he could have never risen to power without the help of monarchs and the good ol' USA.INC's owners....and that is a fact.

Learn, grow, evolve....I am here to help....

Nothing in your conspiracy theory is even remotely provable. Most of it is not even logical or sensible. Just ramblings like a retard on acid.

It's not a theory nor is it even up for debate should you do even a little bit of digging...but I understand where you are coming from because you believe that "da gubermint" works for you and has your best interest at heart. I beg to differ. This corporate entity has been bending us over since the early 1970's after they felt that they no longer needed a strong middle class. because it wasn't "sustainable"...that was when the Rockefeller Foundation recruited the liberal stupid fucks into the "environmental movement" and funded them as they screamed that we were killing the earth. The term "theory" means that it is a systematic explanation of which can never be proven....I have documentation and the quotes of those invloved i this massive con job. Have you done any research about the Act of 1871, Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the conditions leading up to it? How about the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy March 9th of 1933 of this corporate entity.......how much do you know...or are you simply one of the booger picking morons that smear their snot on the urinal walls???

I think you know the answer.

Leftnutter, Regent, and Camp are statists. They were indoctrinated by the state, in the government schools, and unfortunately are incapable of over coming that indoctrination. They are not stupid people, just brainwashed people.

An easy way to determine if an American is uninformed or brainwashed, is ask them if FDR was a great POTUS. If they say he was, they have clearly identified themselves.

Even conservative historians acknowledge the greatness of FDR

As does most of the world

In the face of numerous revelations about Roosevelt's mistakes, gaffes, bias toward minorities, fiscal misadventures such as Social Security, extending both the Depression and WWII, and love affair with the homicidal killer, Joseph Stalin....


...we still hear that 'historians' "rated FDR as America's greatest president."


How much faith should one put into the scribblings of an amanuensis, one who simply takes dictation from a superior, who is neither objective, nor factual, in that said 'historian' can choose what to put in and what to leave out?




If historians depend on the folks in charge for both income and status, how much faith should be put in the truth of their conclusions?




And, btw....who owns academia and almost every avenue of the dissemination of information?
Yup....Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

No wonder so many undeserving individuals, read 'FDR' and Obama, get praises heaped upon them.






The answer as to how much to accept the view of said 'historians' is, or course,"trust, but verify."
A real President coined that phrase.

Frau Braun

Why not continue more with your fantasies about how well the Soviets had it and how Germany was willing to surrender to FDR if only he would listen?

The nations historians pale in comparison to your conspiracy theories

 

[Unkotare]

FDR had no leverage to negotiate Eastern Euorope. Millions of Red Army troops had control of it

Now, WESTERN Europe......FDR made its liberation the primary focus of his military strategy and his leading military advisor was responsible for rebuilding it

FDR saved the free world......Greatest modern president

A lie.

FDR turned over control of military strategy to Stalin, who demanded that an attack on Germany via Italy and the Adriatic be abandoned, and the furthest point from Eastern Europe.....Normandy....be chosen.

"his leading military advisor" agreed that Italy was the correct venue...until overruled by Roosevelt and Stalin's spy, Hopkins.

That D Day thing really kicked some Nazi ass didn't it?

While our troops bogged down in Italy

that FDR really knew his shit

Excellent.
As soon as you begin vulgarity, you reveal that you recognize that you are wrong.
It's one of those tells that are hard to hide.

Oh Lordy.........I do declare I feel a case of the vapors coming on

Such offensive language towards Mr Hitler

You never addressed any of my links, nuthugger.

.

 

[regent]

The sad fact is that until the Great Depressions, depressions and recessions were thought of as normal and had to run their course. With the Great one, that became scary, revolutions and all that. If any president could have led the nation in another direction it was FDR but that was never his intent. FDR said when elected he would try different things and he did, In 37 and 38 with signs of recovery they were fearful of the economy going in another direction so the New Deal was toned down but it was too quick. There are and were no instruction books on depressions and the only solution we have now is still Keynes.
Perhaps the difference between the Republican approach and the Democratic one was the Democrats put the American people first; No more expecting kids to go through garbage cans to find something to eat.

The sad fact is FDR PROLONGED the Great Depression with his childish and ignorant economic policies. Then pushed the nation into a disastrous war, to keep his disgusting diseased ass in power.

Sadly, your government paid historians have failed you once again...but then, you must learn to think for yourself and at this late date, that seems most unlikely.

I tried the Republican "think history method" that Republicans encourage people to use but it didn't work. In any case I think I'll just stick with the old "check it out method," I can till spot posters that are using the "think history method" however and they sound pretty stupid.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nothing in your conspiracy theory is even remotely provable. Most of it is not even logical or sensible. Just ramblings like a retard on acid.

Nothing in your conspiracy theory is even remotely provable. Most of it is not even logical or sensible. Just ramblings like a retard on acid.

Do your own due diligence and then come back and tell me that I am wrong...I shan't hold my breath.

Nothing in your conspiracy theory is even remotely provable. Most of it is not even logical or sensible. Just ramblings like a retard on acid.

It's not a theory nor is it even up for debate should you do even a little bit of digging...but I understand where you are coming from because you believe that "da gubermint" works for you and has your best interest at heart. I beg to differ. This corporate entity has been bending us over since the early 1970's after they felt that they no longer needed a strong middle class. because it wasn't "sustainable"...that was when the Rockefeller Foundation recruited the liberal stupid fucks into the "environmental movement" and funded them as they screamed that we were killing the earth. The term "theory" means that it is a systematic explanation of which can never be proven....I have documentation and the quotes of those invloved i this massive con job. Have you done any research about the Act of 1871, Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the conditions leading up to it? How about the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy March 9th of 1933 of this corporate entity.......how much do you know...or are you simply one of the booger picking morons that smear their snot on the urinal walls???

I think you know the answer.

Leftnutter, Regent, and Camp are statists. They were indoctrinated by the state, in the government schools, and unfortunately are incapable of over coming that indoctrination. They are not stupid people, just brainwashed people.

An easy way to determine if an American is uninformed or brainwashed, is ask them if FDR was a great POTUS. If they say he was, they have clearly identified themselves.

Even conservative historians acknowledge the greatness of FDR

As does most of the world

In the face of numerous revelations about Roosevelt's mistakes, gaffes, bias toward minorities, fiscal misadventures such as Social Security, extending both the Depression and WWII, and love affair with the homicidal killer, Joseph Stalin....


...we still hear that 'historians' "rated FDR as America's greatest president."


How much faith should one put into the scribblings of an amanuensis, one who simply takes dictation from a superior, who is neither objective, nor factual, in that said 'historian' can choose what to put in and what to leave out?




If historians depend on the folks in charge for both income and status, how much faith should be put in the truth of their conclusions?




And, btw....who owns academia and almost every avenue of the dissemination of information?
Yup....Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

No wonder so many undeserving individuals, read 'FDR' and Obama, get praises heaped upon them.






The answer as to how much to accept the view of said 'historians' is, or course,"trust, but verify."
A real President coined that phrase.

Frau Braun

Why not continue more with your fantasies about how well the Soviets had it and how Germany was willing to surrender to FDR if only he would listen?

The nations historians pale in comparison to your conspiracy theories

Don't you want to comment on this post?


1. Joseph Stalin was far more farsighted and clever than either Adolph Hitler, or Franklin Roosevelt.He was allied with both, at one time or another, and used both to further world communist domination.

Stalin looked toward goals that included spreading his version of international socialismthroughout Europe, post-war, and toward this end needed any possible German resistance obliterated.

He used America and the Allies for this purpose....FDR made it easy to do that.



2. The Allies had the contacts with the anti-Nazi resistance in every other nation....except Germany.
Stalin forbid any talks with anti-Nazi Germans.

a. The Allied command was not allowed to support or associate itself with the anti-Nazi resistance.Following the Soviet orders,only unconditional surrender would be considered....an order which obviously prolonged the war;the German army, which would have overthrown Hitler and surrendered to the Allies,would not be allowed to expect any hand in determining conditions of their post-war treatment.


b. "A SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force)directive prohibited activities aimed at promoting German revolt against the Nazi regime.
The Allied doctrine of unconditional surrender meant that "... those Germans — and particularly those German generals — who might have been ready to throw Hitler over, and were able to do so, were discouraged from making the attempt by their inability to extract from the Allies any sort of assurance that such action would improve the treatment meted out to their country." German Resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


c."Archival evidence indicates thatthe Soviet’s wanted the war to continuelong enough for them to conquer Eastern Europe and in order for Germany to be utterly destroyed or “pastoralized” which was called for inthe Morgenthau Plan which was actually written by Soviet spy Harry Dexter White.The Soviets were also clamoring for a “second front” in France in order to deflect the allies out of Italy and the Balkans which was too close to Russia."
Chuck Morse Speaks: The Canaris Cover-up



So.....Stalin forbid contacts with the anti-Nazi, anti-Communist Germans
Roosevelt acquiesced...even though it prolonged the war and created over a hundred thousand US casualties.
German anti-Nazis were hung out to dry.....by Roosevelt.



3. On May 10, 1945, shortly after the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany, General Dwight Eisenhower saluted and gave credit to Europe's resistance forces. He mentioned them by name, as follows: France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. 'You fought on,' he said in a speech carried by the BBC, "regardless of the disappointments you suffered and the danger you have undergone."
NYTimes, May 11, 1945, "Eisenhower Praises Anti-Nazi Resistance."


a.Who is missing from Eisenhower's list of national anti-Nazi resistance?

That's right:German anti-Nazis, of whom thousands were executed by the Reich.
"The History of the German Resistance, 1933-1945, Third Edition," by Peter Hoffman



b. Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).

On page 140, Dulles states"The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.



c. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."


Never doubt me.
I'm never wrong.




And....how about explaining this: when I pin you Roosevelt boot-lickers to the wall....why do you default to the really stupid "Frau Braun," when I've posted dozens of posts on the hateful six....

...Nazism, communism, Liberalism, socialism, Fascism, and Progressivism?


Why pretend I'm on your side?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The sad fact is that until the Great Depressions, depressions and recessions were thought of as normal and had to run their course. With the Great one, that became scary, revolutions and all that. If any president could have led the nation in another direction it was FDR but that was never his intent. FDR said when elected he would try different things and he did, In 37 and 38 with signs of recovery they were fearful of the economy going in another direction so the New Deal was toned down but it was too quick. There are and were no instruction books on depressions and the only solution we have now is still Keynes.
Perhaps the difference between the Republican approach and the Democratic one was the Democrats put the American people first; No more expecting kids to go through garbage cans to find something to eat.

The sad fact is FDR PROLONGED the Great Depression with his childish and ignorant economic policies. Then pushed the nation into a disastrous war, to keep his disgusting diseased ass in power.

Sadly, your government paid historians have failed you once again...but then, you must learn to think for yourself and at this late date, that seems most unlikely.

I tried the Republican "think history method" that Republicans encourage people to use but it didn't work. In any case I think I'll just stick with the old "check it out method," I can till spot posters that are using the "think history method" however and they sound pretty stupid.

Now....why try to lie like this:""think history method" that Republicans encourage people to use..."

You have never.....never....found any of my posts that are not linked, sourced, accurate and true.




Your comment just took the form of a boomerang, huh?

 

[rightwinger]

Do your own due diligence and then come back and tell me that I am wrong...I shan't hold my breath.
It's not a theory nor is it even up for debate should you do even a little bit of digging...but I understand where you are coming from because you believe that "da gubermint" works for you and has your best interest at heart. I beg to differ. This corporate entity has been bending us over since the early 1970's after they felt that they no longer needed a strong middle class. because it wasn't "sustainable"...that was when the Rockefeller Foundation recruited the liberal stupid fucks into the "environmental movement" and funded them as they screamed that we were killing the earth. The term "theory" means that it is a systematic explanation of which can never be proven....I have documentation and the quotes of those invloved i this massive con job. Have you done any research about the Act of 1871, Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the conditions leading up to it? How about the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy March 9th of 1933 of this corporate entity.......how much do you know...or are you simply one of the booger picking morons that smear their snot on the urinal walls???

I think you know the answer.

Leftnutter, Regent, and Camp are statists. They were indoctrinated by the state, in the government schools, and unfortunately are incapable of over coming that indoctrination. They are not stupid people, just brainwashed people.

An easy way to determine if an American is uninformed or brainwashed, is ask them if FDR was a great POTUS. If they say he was, they have clearly identified themselves.

Even conservative historians acknowledge the greatness of FDR

As does most of the world

In the face of numerous revelations about Roosevelt's mistakes, gaffes, bias toward minorities, fiscal misadventures such as Social Security, extending both the Depression and WWII, and love affair with the homicidal killer, Joseph Stalin....


...we still hear that 'historians' "rated FDR as America's greatest president."


How much faith should one put into the scribblings of an amanuensis, one who simply takes dictation from a superior, who is neither objective, nor factual, in that said 'historian' can choose what to put in and what to leave out?




If historians depend on the folks in charge for both income and status, how much faith should be put in the truth of their conclusions?




And, btw....who owns academia and almost every avenue of the dissemination of information?
Yup....Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

No wonder so many undeserving individuals, read 'FDR' and Obama, get praises heaped upon them.






The answer as to how much to accept the view of said 'historians' is, or course,"trust, but verify."
A real President coined that phrase.

Frau Braun

Why not continue more with your fantasies about how well the Soviets had it and how Germany was willing to surrender to FDR if only he would listen?

The nations historians pale in comparison to your conspiracy theories

Don't you want to comment on this post?


1. Joseph Stalin was far more farsighted and clever than either Adolph Hitler, or Franklin Roosevelt.He was allied with both, at one time or another, and used both to further world communist domination.

Stalin looked toward goals that included spreading his version of international socialismthroughout Europe, post-war, and toward this end needed any possible German resistance obliterated.

He used America and the Allies for this purpose....FDR made it easy to do that.



2. The Allies had the contacts with the anti-Nazi resistance in every other nation....except Germany.
Stalin forbid any talks with anti-Nazi Germans.

a. The Allied command was not allowed to support or associate itself with the anti-Nazi resistance.Following the Soviet orders,only unconditional surrender would be considered....an order which obviously prolonged the war;the German army, which would have overthrown Hitler and surrendered to the Allies,would not be allowed to expect any hand in determining conditions of their post-war treatment.


b. "A SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force)directive prohibited activities aimed at promoting German revolt against the Nazi regime.
The Allied doctrine of unconditional surrender meant that "... those Germans — and particularly those German generals — who might have been ready to throw Hitler over, and were able to do so, were discouraged from making the attempt by their inability to extract from the Allies any sort of assurance that such action would improve the treatment meted out to their country." German Resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


c."Archival evidence indicates thatthe Soviet’s wanted the war to continuelong enough for them to conquer Eastern Europe and in order for Germany to be utterly destroyed or “pastoralized” which was called for inthe Morgenthau Plan which was actually written by Soviet spy Harry Dexter White.The Soviets were also clamoring for a “second front” in France in order to deflect the allies out of Italy and the Balkans which was too close to Russia."
Chuck Morse Speaks: The Canaris Cover-up



So.....Stalin forbid contacts with the anti-Nazi, anti-Communist Germans
Roosevelt acquiesced...even though it prolonged the war and created over a hundred thousand US casualties.
German anti-Nazis were hung out to dry.....by Roosevelt.



3. On May 10, 1945, shortly after the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany, General Dwight Eisenhower saluted and gave credit to Europe's resistance forces. He mentioned them by name, as follows: France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. 'You fought on,' he said in a speech carried by the BBC, "regardless of the disappointments you suffered and the danger you have undergone."
NYTimes, May 11, 1945, "Eisenhower Praises Anti-Nazi Resistance."


a.Who is missing from Eisenhower's list of national anti-Nazi resistance?

That's right:German anti-Nazis, of whom thousands were executed by the Reich.
"The History of the German Resistance, 1933-1945, Third Edition," by Peter Hoffman



b. Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).

On page 140, Dulles states"The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.



c. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."


Never doubt me.
I'm never wrong.




And....how about explaining this: when I pin you Roosevelt boot-lickers to the wall....why do you default to the really stupid "Frau Braun," when I've posted dozens of posts on the hateful six....

...Nazism, communism, Liberalism, socialism, Fascism, and Progressivism?


Why pretend I'm on your side?

LOL

Political Chic thinks I will actually read that rambling cut and paste crap

 

[PoliticalChic]

I think you know the answer.

Leftnutter, Regent, and Camp are statists. They were indoctrinated by the state, in the government schools, and unfortunately are incapable of over coming that indoctrination. They are not stupid people, just brainwashed people.

An easy way to determine if an American is uninformed or brainwashed, is ask them if FDR was a great POTUS. If they say he was, they have clearly identified themselves.

Even conservative historians acknowledge the greatness of FDR

As does most of the world

In the face of numerous revelations about Roosevelt's mistakes, gaffes, bias toward minorities, fiscal misadventures such as Social Security, extending both the Depression and WWII, and love affair with the homicidal killer, Joseph Stalin....


...we still hear that 'historians' "rated FDR as America's greatest president."


How much faith should one put into the scribblings of an amanuensis, one who simply takes dictation from a superior, who is neither objective, nor factual, in that said 'historian' can choose what to put in and what to leave out?




If historians depend on the folks in charge for both income and status, how much faith should be put in the truth of their conclusions?




And, btw....who owns academia and almost every avenue of the dissemination of information?
Yup....Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

No wonder so many undeserving individuals, read 'FDR' and Obama, get praises heaped upon them.






The answer as to how much to accept the view of said 'historians' is, or course,"trust, but verify."
A real President coined that phrase.

Frau Braun

Why not continue more with your fantasies about how well the Soviets had it and how Germany was willing to surrender to FDR if only he would listen?

The nations historians pale in comparison to your conspiracy theories

Don't you want to comment on this post?


1. Joseph Stalin was far more farsighted and clever than either Adolph Hitler, or Franklin Roosevelt.He was allied with both, at one time or another, and used both to further world communist domination.

Stalin looked toward goals that included spreading his version of international socialismthroughout Europe, post-war, and toward this end needed any possible German resistance obliterated.

He used America and the Allies for this purpose....FDR made it easy to do that.



2. The Allies had the contacts with the anti-Nazi resistance in every other nation....except Germany.
Stalin forbid any talks with anti-Nazi Germans.

a. The Allied command was not allowed to support or associate itself with the anti-Nazi resistance.Following the Soviet orders,only unconditional surrender would be considered....an order which obviously prolonged the war;the German army, which would have overthrown Hitler and surrendered to the Allies,would not be allowed to expect any hand in determining conditions of their post-war treatment.


b. "A SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force)directive prohibited activities aimed at promoting German revolt against the Nazi regime.
The Allied doctrine of unconditional surrender meant that "... those Germans — and particularly those German generals — who might have been ready to throw Hitler over, and were able to do so, were discouraged from making the attempt by their inability to extract from the Allies any sort of assurance that such action would improve the treatment meted out to their country." German Resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


c."Archival evidence indicates thatthe Soviet’s wanted the war to continuelong enough for them to conquer Eastern Europe and in order for Germany to be utterly destroyed or “pastoralized” which was called for inthe Morgenthau Plan which was actually written by Soviet spy Harry Dexter White.The Soviets were also clamoring for a “second front” in France in order to deflect the allies out of Italy and the Balkans which was too close to Russia."
Chuck Morse Speaks: The Canaris Cover-up



So.....Stalin forbid contacts with the anti-Nazi, anti-Communist Germans
Roosevelt acquiesced...even though it prolonged the war and created over a hundred thousand US casualties.
German anti-Nazis were hung out to dry.....by Roosevelt.



3. On May 10, 1945, shortly after the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany, General Dwight Eisenhower saluted and gave credit to Europe's resistance forces. He mentioned them by name, as follows: France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. 'You fought on,' he said in a speech carried by the BBC, "regardless of the disappointments you suffered and the danger you have undergone."
NYTimes, May 11, 1945, "Eisenhower Praises Anti-Nazi Resistance."


a.Who is missing from Eisenhower's list of national anti-Nazi resistance?

That's right:German anti-Nazis, of whom thousands were executed by the Reich.
"The History of the German Resistance, 1933-1945, Third Edition," by Peter Hoffman



b. Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).

On page 140, Dulles states"The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.



c. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."


Never doubt me.
I'm never wrong.




And....how about explaining this: when I pin you Roosevelt boot-lickers to the wall....why do you default to the really stupid "Frau Braun," when I've posted dozens of posts on the hateful six....

...Nazism, communism, Liberalism, socialism, Fascism, and Progressivism?


Why pretend I'm on your side?

LOL

Political Chic thinks I will actually read that rambling cut and paste crap

Don't you want to comment on this post?


1. Joseph Stalin was far more farsighted and clever than either Adolph Hitler, or Franklin Roosevelt.He was allied with both, at one time or another, and used both to further world communist domination.

Stalin looked toward goals that included spreading his version of international socialismthroughout Europe, post-war, and toward this end needed any possible German resistance obliterated.

He used America and the Allies for this purpose....FDR made it easy to do that.



2. The Allies had the contacts with the anti-Nazi resistance in every other nation....except Germany.
Stalin forbid any talks with anti-Nazi Germans.

a. The Allied command was not allowed to support or associate itself with the anti-Nazi resistance.Following the Soviet orders,only unconditional surrender would be considered....an order which obviously prolonged the war;the German army, which would have overthrown Hitler and surrendered to the Allies,would not be allowed to expect any hand in determining conditions of their post-war treatment.


b. "A SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force)directive prohibited activities aimed at promoting German revolt against the Nazi regime.
The Allied doctrine of unconditional surrender meant that "... those Germans — and particularly those German generals — who might have been ready to throw Hitler over, and were able to do so, were discouraged from making the attempt by their inability to extract from the Allies any sort of assurance that such action would improve the treatment meted out to their country." German Resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


c."Archival evidence indicates thatthe Soviet’s wanted the war to continuelong enough for them to conquer Eastern Europe and in order for Germany to be utterly destroyed or “pastoralized” which was called for inthe Morgenthau Plan which was actually written by Soviet spy Harry Dexter White.The Soviets were also clamoring for a “second front” in France in order to deflect the allies out of Italy and the Balkans which was too close to Russia."
Chuck Morse Speaks: The Canaris Cover-up



So.....Stalin forbid contacts with the anti-Nazi, anti-Communist Germans
Roosevelt acquiesced...even though it prolonged the war and created over a hundred thousand US casualties.
German anti-Nazis were hung out to dry.....by Roosevelt.



3. On May 10, 1945, shortly after the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany, General Dwight Eisenhower saluted and gave credit to Europe's resistance forces. He mentioned them by name, as follows: France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. 'You fought on,' he said in a speech carried by the BBC, "regardless of the disappointments you suffered and the danger you have undergone."
NYTimes, May 11, 1945, "Eisenhower Praises Anti-Nazi Resistance."


a.Who is missing from Eisenhower's list of national anti-Nazi resistance?

That's right:German anti-Nazis, of whom thousands were executed by the Reich.
"The History of the German Resistance, 1933-1945, Third Edition," by Peter Hoffman



b. Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).

On page 140, Dulles states"The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.



c. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."


Never doubt me.
I'm never wrong.



I fully understand the basis of your lie......the post thoroughly destroys your position.

 

[Camp]

[QUOTE="PoliticalChic, post: 13632998, member: 12394"

1. JosephStalin was far more farsighted and clever than either Adolph Hitler, or Franklin Roosevelt.He was allied with both, at one time or another, and used both to further world communist domination.

Stalin looked toward goals that included spreading his version of international socialism throughout Europe, post-war, and toward this end needed any possible German resistance obliterated.

He used America and the Allies for this purpose....FDR made it easy to do that.


Never doubt me.
I'm never wrong.[/QUOTE]

Well, PoliticalChic is certainly wrong about this claim. He wasn't farsighted about Hilter or FDR. He made a deal with Hitler, before and after which he busily purged his best officers. Hitler turned on him and his lack of farsightedness almost cost him a defeat of the USSR if not for stupid mistakes by Hitler when he ignored the advice of his own military leadership in conducting the war against Stalin. That and the assistance of lend-lease is what kept Stalin alive, not his farsightedness.

World communist domination? The writer indicated that that actually happened. Spreading his international socialism throughout Europe? His brand of socialism was confined to eastern Europe and he had to build walls and barbed wire machine gun protected borders to confine it to his area of occupation.

FDR was the guy with the farsightedness that guided and helped produce the nation that actually reached global dominance, America. The USSR rise to power and military strength was far removed from FDR and not the fault of FDR. He died before WWII ended and the treatment of the Soviets and Stalin after his death lay squarely on the shoulders of Truman and Eisenhower.

Both the concept and conclusion made by the OP are distorted to the point of being nothing more than agenda hackery.

 

[rightwinger]

Even conservative historians acknowledge the greatness of FDR

As does most of the world

In the face of numerous revelations about Roosevelt's mistakes, gaffes, bias toward minorities, fiscal misadventures such as Social Security, extending both the Depression and WWII, and love affair with the homicidal killer, Joseph Stalin....


...we still hear that 'historians' "rated FDR as America's greatest president."


How much faith should one put into the scribblings of an amanuensis, one who simply takes dictation from a superior, who is neither objective, nor factual, in that said 'historian' can choose what to put in and what to leave out?




If historians depend on the folks in charge for both income and status, how much faith should be put in the truth of their conclusions?




And, btw....who owns academia and almost every avenue of the dissemination of information?
Yup....Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

No wonder so many undeserving individuals, read 'FDR' and Obama, get praises heaped upon them.






The answer as to how much to accept the view of said 'historians' is, or course,"trust, but verify."
A real President coined that phrase.

Frau Braun

Why not continue more with your fantasies about how well the Soviets had it and how Germany was willing to surrender to FDR if only he would listen?

The nations historians pale in comparison to your conspiracy theories

Don't you want to comment on this post?


1. Joseph Stalin was far more farsighted and clever than either Adolph Hitler, or Franklin Roosevelt.He was allied with both, at one time or another, and used both to further world communist domination.

Stalin looked toward goals that included spreading his version of international socialismthroughout Europe, post-war, and toward this end needed any possible German resistance obliterated.

He used America and the Allies for this purpose....FDR made it easy to do that.



2. The Allies had the contacts with the anti-Nazi resistance in every other nation....except Germany.
Stalin forbid any talks with anti-Nazi Germans.

a. The Allied command was not allowed to support or associate itself with the anti-Nazi resistance.Following the Soviet orders,only unconditional surrender would be considered....an order which obviously prolonged the war;the German army, which would have overthrown Hitler and surrendered to the Allies,would not be allowed to expect any hand in determining conditions of their post-war treatment.


b. "A SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force)directive prohibited activities aimed at promoting German revolt against the Nazi regime.
The Allied doctrine of unconditional surrender meant that "... those Germans — and particularly those German generals — who might have been ready to throw Hitler over, and were able to do so, were discouraged from making the attempt by their inability to extract from the Allies any sort of assurance that such action would improve the treatment meted out to their country." German Resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


c."Archival evidence indicates thatthe Soviet’s wanted the war to continuelong enough for them to conquer Eastern Europe and in order for Germany to be utterly destroyed or “pastoralized” which was called for inthe Morgenthau Plan which was actually written by Soviet spy Harry Dexter White.The Soviets were also clamoring for a “second front” in France in order to deflect the allies out of Italy and the Balkans which was too close to Russia."
Chuck Morse Speaks: The Canaris Cover-up



So.....Stalin forbid contacts with the anti-Nazi, anti-Communist Germans
Roosevelt acquiesced...even though it prolonged the war and created over a hundred thousand US casualties.
German anti-Nazis were hung out to dry.....by Roosevelt.



3. On May 10, 1945, shortly after the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany, General Dwight Eisenhower saluted and gave credit to Europe's resistance forces. He mentioned them by name, as follows: France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. 'You fought on,' he said in a speech carried by the BBC, "regardless of the disappointments you suffered and the danger you have undergone."
NYTimes, May 11, 1945, "Eisenhower Praises Anti-Nazi Resistance."


a.Who is missing from Eisenhower's list of national anti-Nazi resistance?

That's right:German anti-Nazis, of whom thousands were executed by the Reich.
"The History of the German Resistance, 1933-1945, Third Edition," by Peter Hoffman



b. Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).

On page 140, Dulles states"The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.



c. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."


Never doubt me.
I'm never wrong.




And....how about explaining this: when I pin you Roosevelt boot-lickers to the wall....why do you default to the really stupid "Frau Braun," when I've posted dozens of posts on the hateful six....

...Nazism, communism, Liberalism, socialism, Fascism, and Progressivism?


Why pretend I'm on your side?

LOL

Political Chic thinks I will actually read that rambling cut and paste crap

Don't you want to comment on this post?


1. Joseph Stalin was far more farsighted and clever than either Adolph Hitler, or Franklin Roosevelt.He was allied with both, at one time or another, and used both to further world communist domination.

Stalin looked toward goals that included spreading his version of international socialismthroughout Europe, post-war, and toward this end needed any possible German resistance obliterated.

He used America and the Allies for this purpose....FDR made it easy to do that.



2. The Allies had the contacts with the anti-Nazi resistance in every other nation....except Germany.
Stalin forbid any talks with anti-Nazi Germans.

a. The Allied command was not allowed to support or associate itself with the anti-Nazi resistance.Following the Soviet orders,only unconditional surrender would be considered....an order which obviously prolonged the war;the German army, which would have overthrown Hitler and surrendered to the Allies,would not be allowed to expect any hand in determining conditions of their post-war treatment.


b. "A SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force)directive prohibited activities aimed at promoting German revolt against the Nazi regime.
The Allied doctrine of unconditional surrender meant that "... those Germans — and particularly those German generals — who might have been ready to throw Hitler over, and were able to do so, were discouraged from making the attempt by their inability to extract from the Allies any sort of assurance that such action would improve the treatment meted out to their country." German Resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


c."Archival evidence indicates thatthe Soviet’s wanted the war to continuelong enough for them to conquer Eastern Europe and in order for Germany to be utterly destroyed or “pastoralized” which was called for inthe Morgenthau Plan which was actually written by Soviet spy Harry Dexter White.The Soviets were also clamoring for a “second front” in France in order to deflect the allies out of Italy and the Balkans which was too close to Russia."
Chuck Morse Speaks: The Canaris Cover-up



So.....Stalin forbid contacts with the anti-Nazi, anti-Communist Germans
Roosevelt acquiesced...even though it prolonged the war and created over a hundred thousand US casualties.
German anti-Nazis were hung out to dry.....by Roosevelt.



3. On May 10, 1945, shortly after the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany, General Dwight Eisenhower saluted and gave credit to Europe's resistance forces. He mentioned them by name, as follows: France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. 'You fought on,' he said in a speech carried by the BBC, "regardless of the disappointments you suffered and the danger you have undergone."
NYTimes, May 11, 1945, "Eisenhower Praises Anti-Nazi Resistance."


a.Who is missing from Eisenhower's list of national anti-Nazi resistance?

That's right:German anti-Nazis, of whom thousands were executed by the Reich.
"The History of the German Resistance, 1933-1945, Third Edition," by Peter Hoffman



b. Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).

On page 140, Dulles states"The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.



c. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."


Never doubt me.
I'm never wrong.



I fully understand the basis of your lie......the post thoroughly destroys your position.

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice....um...um...I won't get fooled again
G W Bush

Been there, done that
Your cut and pastes are not worth the effort

 

[PoliticalChic]

Operation Gladio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]


Without the tireless efforts of Franklin Roosevelt, Stalin might not have survived,leaving a free and democratic Russia.....hence no military threat, no Korean War, no Vietnam....

 

[PoliticalChic]

In the face of numerous revelations about Roosevelt's mistakes, gaffes, bias toward minorities, fiscal misadventures such as Social Security, extending both the Depression and WWII, and love affair with the homicidal killer, Joseph Stalin....


...we still hear that 'historians' "rated FDR as America's greatest president."


How much faith should one put into the scribblings of an amanuensis, one who simply takes dictation from a superior, who is neither objective, nor factual, in that said 'historian' can choose what to put in and what to leave out?




If historians depend on the folks in charge for both income and status, how much faith should be put in the truth of their conclusions?




And, btw....who owns academia and almost every avenue of the dissemination of information?
Yup....Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

No wonder so many undeserving individuals, read 'FDR' and Obama, get praises heaped upon them.






The answer as to how much to accept the view of said 'historians' is, or course,"trust, but verify."
A real President coined that phrase.

Frau Braun

Why not continue more with your fantasies about how well the Soviets had it and how Germany was willing to surrender to FDR if only he would listen?

The nations historians pale in comparison to your conspiracy theories

Don't you want to comment on this post?


1. Joseph Stalin was far more farsighted and clever than either Adolph Hitler, or Franklin Roosevelt.He was allied with both, at one time or another, and used both to further world communist domination.

Stalin looked toward goals that included spreading his version of international socialismthroughout Europe, post-war, and toward this end needed any possible German resistance obliterated.

He used America and the Allies for this purpose....FDR made it easy to do that.



2. The Allies had the contacts with the anti-Nazi resistance in every other nation....except Germany.
Stalin forbid any talks with anti-Nazi Germans.

a. The Allied command was not allowed to support or associate itself with the anti-Nazi resistance.Following the Soviet orders,only unconditional surrender would be considered....an order which obviously prolonged the war;the German army, which would have overthrown Hitler and surrendered to the Allies,would not be allowed to expect any hand in determining conditions of their post-war treatment.


b. "A SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force)directive prohibited activities aimed at promoting German revolt against the Nazi regime.
The Allied doctrine of unconditional surrender meant that "... those Germans — and particularly those German generals — who might have been ready to throw Hitler over, and were able to do so, were discouraged from making the attempt by their inability to extract from the Allies any sort of assurance that such action would improve the treatment meted out to their country." German Resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


c."Archival evidence indicates thatthe Soviet’s wanted the war to continuelong enough for them to conquer Eastern Europe and in order for Germany to be utterly destroyed or “pastoralized” which was called for inthe Morgenthau Plan which was actually written by Soviet spy Harry Dexter White.The Soviets were also clamoring for a “second front” in France in order to deflect the allies out of Italy and the Balkans which was too close to Russia."
Chuck Morse Speaks: The Canaris Cover-up



So.....Stalin forbid contacts with the anti-Nazi, anti-Communist Germans
Roosevelt acquiesced...even though it prolonged the war and created over a hundred thousand US casualties.
German anti-Nazis were hung out to dry.....by Roosevelt.



3. On May 10, 1945, shortly after the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany, General Dwight Eisenhower saluted and gave credit to Europe's resistance forces. He mentioned them by name, as follows: France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. 'You fought on,' he said in a speech carried by the BBC, "regardless of the disappointments you suffered and the danger you have undergone."
NYTimes, May 11, 1945, "Eisenhower Praises Anti-Nazi Resistance."


a.Who is missing from Eisenhower's list of national anti-Nazi resistance?

That's right:German anti-Nazis, of whom thousands were executed by the Reich.
"The History of the German Resistance, 1933-1945, Third Edition," by Peter Hoffman



b. Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).

On page 140, Dulles states"The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.



c. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."


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And....how about explaining this: when I pin you Roosevelt boot-lickers to the wall....why do you default to the really stupid "Frau Braun," when I've posted dozens of posts on the hateful six....

...Nazism, communism, Liberalism, socialism, Fascism, and Progressivism?


Why pretend I'm on your side?

LOL

Political Chic thinks I will actually read that rambling cut and paste crap

Don't you want to comment on this post?


1. Joseph Stalin was far more farsighted and clever than either Adolph Hitler, or Franklin Roosevelt.He was allied with both, at one time or another, and used both to further world communist domination.

Stalin looked toward goals that included spreading his version of international socialismthroughout Europe, post-war, and toward this end needed any possible German resistance obliterated.

He used America and the Allies for this purpose....FDR made it easy to do that.



2. The Allies had the contacts with the anti-Nazi resistance in every other nation....except Germany.
Stalin forbid any talks with anti-Nazi Germans.

a. The Allied command was not allowed to support or associate itself with the anti-Nazi resistance.Following the Soviet orders,only unconditional surrender would be considered....an order which obviously prolonged the war;the German army, which would have overthrown Hitler and surrendered to the Allies,would not be allowed to expect any hand in determining conditions of their post-war treatment.


b. "A SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force)directive prohibited activities aimed at promoting German revolt against the Nazi regime.
The Allied doctrine of unconditional surrender meant that "... those Germans — and particularly those German generals — who might have been ready to throw Hitler over, and were able to do so, were discouraged from making the attempt by their inability to extract from the Allies any sort of assurance that such action would improve the treatment meted out to their country." German Resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


c."Archival evidence indicates thatthe Soviet’s wanted the war to continuelong enough for them to conquer Eastern Europe and in order for Germany to be utterly destroyed or “pastoralized” which was called for inthe Morgenthau Plan which was actually written by Soviet spy Harry Dexter White.The Soviets were also clamoring for a “second front” in France in order to deflect the allies out of Italy and the Balkans which was too close to Russia."
Chuck Morse Speaks: The Canaris Cover-up



So.....Stalin forbid contacts with the anti-Nazi, anti-Communist Germans
Roosevelt acquiesced...even though it prolonged the war and created over a hundred thousand US casualties.
German anti-Nazis were hung out to dry.....by Roosevelt.



3. On May 10, 1945, shortly after the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany, General Dwight Eisenhower saluted and gave credit to Europe's resistance forces. He mentioned them by name, as follows: France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. 'You fought on,' he said in a speech carried by the BBC, "regardless of the disappointments you suffered and the danger you have undergone."
NYTimes, May 11, 1945, "Eisenhower Praises Anti-Nazi Resistance."


a.Who is missing from Eisenhower's list of national anti-Nazi resistance?

That's right:German anti-Nazis, of whom thousands were executed by the Reich.
"The History of the German Resistance, 1933-1945, Third Edition," by Peter Hoffman



b. Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).

On page 140, Dulles states"The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.



c. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."


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I fully understand the basis of your lie......the post thoroughly destroys your position.

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice....um...um...I won't get fooled again
G W Bush

Been there, done that
Your cut and pastes are not worth the effort

Stop lying.

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Without the tireless efforts of Franklin Roosevelt, Stalin might not have survived,leaving a free and democratic Russia.....hence no military threat, no Korean War, no Vietnam....

 

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Without the tireless efforts of Franklin Roosevelt, Stalin might not have survived,leaving a free and democratic Russia.....hence no military threat, no Korean War, no Vietnam....

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Without the tireless efforts of Franklin Roosevelt, Stalin might not have survived,leaving a free and democratic Russia.....hence no military threat, no Korean War, no Vietnam....

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Luckily for all, Truman stopped the military aggression that Roosevelt encouraged...
Truman formed NATO

 

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Even conservative historians acknowledge the greatness of FDR

As does most of the world

2. The Allies had the contacts with the anti-Nazi resistance in every other nation....except Germany.
Stalin forbid any talks with anti-Nazi Germans.

a. The Allied command was not allowed to support or associate itself with the anti-Nazi resistance.Following the Soviet orders,only unconditional surrender would be considered....an order which obviously prolonged the war;the German army, which would have overthrown Hitler and surrendered to the Allies,would not be allowed to expect any hand in determining conditions of their post-war treatment.


b. "A SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force)directive prohibited activities aimed at pr"


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I'm never wrong.

There were other reasons for

Here the FDR/New Deal hater shows her lack of WWII history knowledge. Most of the resistance in Germany was impacted and influenced by the socialist and communist that escaped capture and annihilation. Like the resistance groups in the Nazi-occupied countries, the resistance people would have great influence and impact after the Nazi's were defeated. SHAEF wanted to limit the size and scope of the resistance that would be confronted after that defeat. Assistance to them during the war would only strengthen the communist contingent after the wars end.
Of course, add to these factors the one that the resistance in other countries were not German, rather peoples who were living under occupation of a brutal foreign military occupation, to the fact that what the OP is suggesting is a scenario that puts the resistance in Germany one of entering into a civil war and killing their fellow countrymen. No one at SHAEF viewed that as a viable concept or possibility.