FBI doubted probable cause for Mar-a-Lago raid but pushed forward amid pressure from Biden DOJ, emails reveal

[Delldude]

First page of the report.

"We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter."

(That doesn't mean "We could convict him, but nah.")

"We conclude that the evidence does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Second paragraph:

Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained
and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private
citizen. These materials included (1) marked classified documents about military and
foreign policy in Afghanistan, and (2) notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten
entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive
intelligence sources and methods. FBI agents recovered these materials from the
garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home.

 

[meaner gene]

He established that without a doubt. Been proven here from his transcript.


He established that without a doubt. Been proven here from his transcript.

Who we got here?

Marener, Postman or Meaner Gene?

Hur actually refuted that he could prove Biden knew he had what he had.
By describing Biden as having a poor memory, he provided exculpatory evidence against the crime.

 

[Delldude]

Hur actually refuted that he could prove Biden knew he had what he had.
By describing Biden as having a poor memory, he provided exculpatory evidence against the crime.

Still doesn't make his statement of Biden's violating the law go away.

Who I'm talking to, Marener, Postman or Meaner Gene?

 

[meaner gene]

Still doesn't make his statement of Biden's violating the law go away.

Who I'm talking to, Marener, Postman or Meaner Gene?

That's why Hur opened with, as was pointed out endlessly

First page of the report.

"We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter."

 

[Delldude]

That's why Hur opened with, as was pointed out endlessly

Yet he said this:

Second paragraph:

Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained
and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private
citizen. These materials included (1) marked classified documents about military and
foreign policy in Afghanistan, and (2) notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten
entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive
intelligence sources and methods. FBI agents recovered these materials from the
garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home.

How many posting identities are you using?

 

[meaner gene]

Second paragraph:

Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained
and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private
citizen. These materials included (1) marked classified documents about military and
foreign policy in Afghanistan, and (2) notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten
entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive
intelligence sources and methods. FBI agents recovered these materials from the
garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home.

Hur also admitted he couldn't prove what he found.

 

[Delldude]

Hur also admitted he couldn't prove what he found.

Hur said he didn't think he could convince a jury due to Biden's failing mental state on recollection, Marener.

 

[meaner gene]

Hur said he didn't think he could convince a jury due to Biden's failing mental state on recollection, Marener.

Congrats, you just posted where Hur just said he couldn't prove Biden knew he had the documents.
If you can't prove he knew he had them. You cant' prove he intended to keep them.

QED

That's why Hur started out saying "We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter."

 

[meaner gene]

Remember Mike Pence also had classified documents.
But they also concluded no charges were warranted.

 

[meaner gene]

The classified document charges against Mike Pence were dropped, with the Department of Justice (DOJ) informing his team in June 2023 that they wouldn't pursue criminal charges after a small number of classified documents were found at his Indiana home. The DOJ concluded there was no evidence of criminal intent, viewing the presence of documents as an unintentional mistake, especially since Pence's team proactively disclosed them and cooperated with the investigation, unlike the situation with Donald Trump

 

[Delldude]

Congrats, you just posted where Hur just said he couldn't prove Biden knew he had the documents.
If you can't prove he knew he had them. You cant' prove he intended to keep them.

QED

That's why Hur started out saying "We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter.

Well you're wrong, period.

Marener, you think nobody can tell you post under different identites?

It's terribly obvious and we're surprised it's been overlooked this long.

 

[meaner gene]

Well you're wrong, period.

Marener, you think nobody can tell you post under different identites?

It's terribly obvious and we're surprised it's been overlooked this long.

Well you're wrong, period.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Second paragraph:

Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained
and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private
citizen. These materials included (1) marked classified documents about military and
foreign policy in Afghanistan, and (2) notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten
entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive
intelligence sources and methods. FBI agents recovered these materials from the
garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home.

Right, they had some evidence. But not enough to convict, especially in light of his cooperation.

Which they also said. That matters.

Now look at the Trump indictment.

No comparison whatsoever.

 

[Mick2]

Right, they had some evidence. But not enough to convict, especially in light of his cooperation.

Which they also said. That matters.

Goalposts be a moving for the winger! You've gon from saying he "didn't do nuthin" to admitting the special counsel had evidence of his crimes. You are starting to figure it out. And stop TELLING people what you claim the Special Counsel said. We can read it in the report in their own words. This is WHAT they said...


"Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone from whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt," the report states. "It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him—by then a former president well into his eighties—of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness."


Amazing the difference between what they were actually QUOTED as saying in the report and the deranged left-wing spin the mentally ill come up with.

The fact is their problem was that they'd have a hard time convicting a senile old man of non-violent crimes. The evidence of the crime, however, is irrefutable. He willfully retained classified documents when he had no authority to declassify anything.

 

[ThisIsMe]

That's right, Biden didn't do what Trump.did, so he got a pass.

Yes the report existed to explain why. First and foremost, there was not enough evidence.

But now you're just playing the attention begging game. No need to go in circles anymore.

I asked you to provide the quote and the page number, you haven’t. I’ve shown you several times what the report said, but I’m wanting to see if you have another place that says it differently, because I’ve already shown you where he said they concluded that Biden willfully retained classified material. That means they must have evidence to support that, and indeed he does show that evidence in his report, however, once again, they evidence wouldn’t be sufficient to convince a jury, because they couldn’t prove intent and bidens state at the time would create a sympathetic jury.

Show me where there is something contradicting that.

 

[Marener]

I asked you to provide the quote and the page number, you haven’t. I’ve shown you several times what the report said, but I’m wanting to see if you have another place that says it differently, because I’ve already shown you where he said they concluded that Biden willfully retained classified material. That means they must have evidence to support that, and indeed he does show that evidence in his report, however, once again, they evidence wouldn’t be sufficient to convince a jury, because they couldn’t prove intent and bidens state at the time would create a sympathetic jury.

Show me where there is something contradicting that.

So Hur didn’t have proof. End of story.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Absolutely not.
The particular statute is taking classified documents with the intent to retain

Retention requires that you do something to actively keep it. Such as moving it from place to place. Lying that you have it. or involving other people in it's concealment.

Where did you derive that definition. If you willingly do something, that’s intent. Biden already had shown that he knew the documents were there, that means he willingly retained them, the Hur report said he did so.

Again, the part about intent was in relation to what they could use to convince a jury. The whole thing boils down to that they didn’t think the could get a conviction, because “I forgot” and “poor memory”.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Proof the person knew that he had it.
Not just mere possession, but proof they were cognizant of being in possession of it.

Start with proof that Biden packed the box.

When Biden told his ghost writer that he had the materials, that’s your proof.

That shows that Biden was cognizant of what was in those boxes when the were moved to his house.


IF by chance they were accidentally packed up, then that shows he was careless in handling them, because he left them laying in places where people who didn’t have security clearances were able to view them, in order for them to pack them.

Not to mention that, IF he forgot about them, but suddenly had a recollection when trump started to get raided, doesn’t seem plausible. What are the odds that when trump was getting raided, Biden said “oh wow, I have 30 year old classified materials I better surrender! Likely it was “oh shit, I better come forward with these documents lest i get discovered as well”

There is no explanation as to why all of the security apparatus that surrounds these materials, all suddenly broke down for Biden, for over 30 years, but when trump left office, they were hounding him within a few weeks.

 

[ThisIsMe]

So Hur didn’t have proof. End of story.

Of course he did:

• Recorded conversations with his ghostwriter: An audio recording from February 2017 captured Biden telling his ghostwriter, "I just found all this classified stuff downstairs," at his rental home in Virginia. Investigators believe this referred to documents related to the Afghanistan troop surge debate, which were later found in his Delaware garage.
• Reading classified info aloud: Biden was recorded on several occasions reading near-verbatim entries from his notebooks containing classified information to his ghostwriter, who did not have a security clearance.
• Knowledge of classification protocols: Due to his decades in government service, the report stated there was evidence Biden should have known his handwritten notebooks contained classified information.
• Motive to retain: The report suggested Biden had strong motivations to keep documents relevant to his legacy, such as the 2009 handwritten memo to President Obama opposing the Afghanistan troop surge, and viewed his notebooks as his personal property.
• Physical location of documents: Classified materials were found in unsecured locations at his home, including a damaged box in his garage "near a collapsed dog crate, a dog bed, a Zappos box, an empty bucket, a broken lamp wrapped with duct tape, potting soil, and synthetic firewood". The report noted, however, that a reasonable juror could find this consistent with a person who had forgotten about the documents, not one intentionally safeguarding them.

Note at the end where he said a JUROR would find it innocent, it doesn’t mean Biden didn’t act with intent, but the jury might not be convinced.

You can’t willfully take something you know you’re not supposed to have, and then later use the “I forgot” defense.

 

[Marener]

Of course he did

He said he didn’t. End of story.