Father Tells his Obamacare Horror Story

[Greenbeard]

"If I had been allowed to keep my pre-ACA plan, as Obama promised, my daughter today and forever, for the rest of her life, would have ensured (or "insured?"), durable access to medical care.

His daughter was diagnosed with leukemia and they found out how bad their ACA insurance was. They were "medical serfs," confined to treatement near their zip code, tied to the land.

The linchpin of his story is that in 2018, "Cigna wouldn’t cover Colette at Inova Fairfax."

Cigna 'Connect' customers on the Exchange: Inova Health System is now in-network

Looking for coverage on the health insurance exchange in Northern Virginia? Inova wants to be a part of your family’s health care, so please note these important changes to the health insurance plans on the Virginia Exchange. As of April 1, 2018, Inova is now an in-network provider for Cigna’s...

www.inovanewsroom.org

 

[JoeB131]

She was a CHILD.

What part of that is hard for you?

Jebus, do you seriously think that any adult can do anything they want to a child as log as they can claim that the child wanted it?

Oh, get ******* real. If it were a black 15-year-old robbing a 7-11, you'd be insisting he be treated as an "adult".

You make it sound like Kaiser Permanente grabbed her off the street and cut off her titties, not that she insisted for years she was transgender and demanded treatment.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Oh, get ******* real. If it were a black 15-year-old robbing a 7-11, you'd be insisting he be treated as an "adult".

I wouldn't, actually. Your mind reading skills need work.

You make it sound like Kaiser Permanente grabbed her off the street and cut off her titties, not that she insisted for years she was transgender and demanded treatment.

And the adults were shocked, shocked! Who knew that a child might grow up and change her mind?

Has that ever happened before that you know of?

 

[JoeB131]

I wouldn't, actually. Your mind reading skills need work.

And the adults were shocked, shocked! Who knew that a child might grow up and change her mind?

Has that ever happened before that you know of?

If she wasn't gender dysphoric, but just one of her 20 other mental problems, than that was malpractice.

That doesn't mean other minors can't benefit from GAC.

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[JoeB131]

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I don't know who these 70% were.

If you already had good insurance through your job or your union, ACA had no effect on you.

 

[Captain Caveman]

You mean the car to escape the UK in?

(CNN) Judges on the UK Court of Appeal once again ruled against 23-month-old Alfie Evans’ family.

Wednesday’s ruling rejected new arguments intended to overturn a decision by the High Court on Tuesday that prevented the terminally ill toddler from leaving Britain for medical treatment, said Roger Kiska, a lawyer with Christian Legal Center and part of the legal team representing Alfie’s parents.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/25/health/alfie-evans-appeal-bn

Or did you mean waiting in the car with the heater running, hoping to get closer to the top of the waitlist?

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Yes, there are cases like this where the person is terminally ill that treatment anywhere is a waste of time. They crop up in the news now and then. The doctors deem it's a waste of time and seek a court injunction to stop them being sent off as a guinea pig, or life support needs switched off. Thousands of families and parents agree and that happens. Now and then, the odd disagreeing parents take the decision to court/appeal. Life is not fair, thank goodness I have two healthy boys, now young men, and I didn't have to go through what the parents in the court case did.

We pay half in tax per month what Americans pay in health insurance. That means Brits can save up to £500 per month and pay privately for any part of their healthcare. The NHS is made up of thousands of clinics, hospitals etc.. Also, waiting lists vary based on the health issue.

Children wait longer than necessary for cancer diagnosis. Is that 5 minutes, a day, a week, a year?

 

[Dr Grump]

They would not and you know full well that they wouldn't.

Every first-world nation that has single-payer has nothing but horror stories. You won't ever see it because they won't tell you about it. That is the level of corruption we have in the information age. It's all controlled by those who get rich of your misery.

I've lived in three such countries and their health systems are not only fine but affordable to most. The US system sucks....unless you're rich...

 

[Darkwind]

I've lived in three such countries and their health systems are not only fine but affordable to most. The US system sucks....unless you're rich...

IF you say so, Elmer.

 

[Greenbeard]

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82% like their coverage today (a number that now includes ~8% more of the population than your pre-Obamacare figure).

Poll: Most are satisfied with their health insurance, but a quarter report denials or delays

A large majority of Americans, 82%, said they’re satisfied with their coverage in the new NBC News Decision Desk Poll.

www.nbcnews.com

And it did pay for itself, and then some.

Name the much-criticized federal program that has saved the U.S. $2.3 trillion. Hint: it starts with Affordable

Despite constant criticism and occasional sabotage, the Affordable Care Act has successfully expanded health insurance coverage and helped control runaway health care costs.

www.statnews.com

 

[Seymour Flops]

If she wasn't gender dysphoric, but just one of her 20 other mental problems, than that was malpractice.

It was, yes.

That doesn't mean other minors can't benefit from GAC.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. Hormones or surgery should be the last resort after years of therapy and after the person has the chance to mature into an adult.

Libertarian I am, I would not ban GAC for 18 and over. But doctors are well aware that 18 is not the end of brain development and they are unethical if they do not make sure a person's brain is developed enough for such a decision.

Do you believe that there is no one way to be a girl or one way to be a boy?

 

[Dr Grump]

IF you say so, Elmer.

Not what I say. It's easily provable.

 

[JoeB131]

I guess we'll agree to disagree. Hormones or surgery should be the last resort after years of therapy and after the person has the chance to mature into an adult.

That's an argument.

Here's another. If one is undoubtably transgender, the treatments should be done early, before the body develops into the wrong gender.

Libertarian I am, I would not ban GAC for 18 and over. But doctors are well aware that 18 is not the end of brain development and they are unethical if they do not make sure a person's brain is developed enough for such a decision.

Um, about that. For most of history, 14 was considered "Adult". Usually, when little Timmy got Little Sally knocked up, they got married. (Today, little Sally just gets an abortion, and we are all better off.)

Shit, how many ******* 30-year-olds still live with their parents, something earlier generations would have considered pathetic.

Do you believe that there is no one way to be a girl or one way to be a boy?

I believe gender identity is far more complex than that.

 

[Seymour Flops]

That's an argument.

Here's another. If one is undoubtably transgender, the treatments should be done early, before the body develops into the wrong gender.

How in the world can a ten year old be "undoubtably transgender?"

How in the world can they be the "wrong gender" if gender is a social construct and people can simply choose their gender?

Um, about that. For most of history, 14 was considered "Adult". Usually, when little Timmy got Little Sally knocked up, they got married. (Today, little Sally just gets an abortion, and we are all better off.)

Factually wrong. Teen marriage was allowed, but the rights and privileges of being an adult were reserved until at least 18, and often 21.

Doesn't change the fact that the brain is not nearly developed enough in a ten-year-old to make decisions like that. Especially in your supposed scenario in which a fifteen year old girl is begging reluctant doctors to lop off her breasts. I doubt that you really believe that, but still . . .

No, you don't believe that the profit-seeking doctors in the transgender industry tried to talk her out of it.

Shit, how many ******* 30-year-olds still live with their parents, something earlier generations would have considered pathetic.

True, so maybe a thirty-something still living with parents should not be allowed the option of whacking off his peter and should be told to get a job and grow up and then do the attention seeking in his spare time, if he has the energy after working forty hours per week (he won't).

I believe gender identity is far more complex than that.

Correct (that you believe it). Therefore a ten year old boy who begs to be hormonalized to avoid puberty (you do really believe that is the way it happens, correct?) should be told that there is more than one way to be a girl, and that some girls have penises and hairy chests. "She" can shave the hair on her chest as easily as the hair on her legs, but the surgery will have to wait until they are an adult.

I don't know, Joe. You sure you actually believe this about ten year olds needing hormones and surgery? It sounds far fetched even as a claimed belief.

 

[sparky]

How? How exactly did he lose it?

skyrocketing premiums

~S~

 

[JoeB131]

How in the world can a ten year old be "undoubtably transgender?"

How in the world can they be the "wrong gender" if gender is a social construct and people can simply choose their gender?

Nobody chooses their gender. Some people just have genders that don't match their biology.

Factually wrong. Teen marriage was allowed, but the rights and privileges of being an adult were reserved until at least 18, and often 21.

Yes, that was pretty fucked up that we sent 18 year olds to war, but didn't let them vote until they were 21, and we still don't let them drink.

Doesn't change the fact that the brain is not nearly developed enough in a ten-year-old to make decisions like that. Especially in your supposed scenario in which a fifteen year old girl is begging reluctant doctors to lop off her breasts. I doubt that you really believe that, but still . . .

A fifteen-year-old is different than a 10-year-old.

No, you don't believe that the profit-seeking doctors in the transgender industry tried to talk her out of it.

Given that out of 300,000 Transgender youth, only a handful even get hormone therapy, then it's not the profitable industry you think it is. Private insurance usually doesn't cover it.

True, so maybe a thirty-something still living with parents should not be allowed the option of whacking off his peter and should be told to get a job and grow up and then do the attention seeking in his spare time, if he has the energy after working forty hours per week (he won't).

Given few of us will have any jobs after AI takes over, not sure what you are babbling about.

Correct (that you believe it). Therefore a ten year old boy who begs to be hormonalized to avoid puberty (you do really believe that is the way it happens, correct?) should be told that there is more than one way to be a girl, and that some girls have penises and hairy chests. "She" can shave the hair on her chest as easily as the hair on her legs, but the surgery will have to wait until they are an adult.

Again, I've been pretty clear that surgery on minors should be a rare thing. I just don't use my fear of trans people as a justification for that like you do.

I don't know, Joe. You sure you actually believe this about ten year olds needing hormones and surgery? It sounds far fetched even as a claimed belief.

I think IN SOME CASES, it might be the best course of action.

Puberty blockers are already prescribed for children undergoing early onset puberty.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Nobody chooses their gender. Some people just have genders that don't match their biology.

Sure, however it goes. Point is that the body does not determine gender, is the ideology. If that is the case, then we're talking about "looking like" a girl based on some arbitrary society concept of a what a girl looks like.

Yes, that was pretty fucked up that we sent 18 year olds to war, but didn't let them vote until they were 21, and we still don't let them drink.

Yes, but to stick to the point, in no case is a fifteen year old mentally and emotionally prepared to make such a permanently life-altering decisions has having healthy breasts removed for the sake of "looking more like a boy."

A fifteen-year-old is different than a 10-year-old.

in no case is a ten year old mentally and emotionally prepared to fifteen year old mentally and emotionally prepared to make such a permanently life-altering decision as stopping their puberty to avoid "looking like a boy," any more than a fifteen year old is prepared to make such a permanently life-altering decisions has having healthy breasts removed for the sake of "looking more like a boy."

Given that out of 300,000 Transgender youth, only a handful even get hormone therapy, then it's not the profitable industry you think it is. Private insurance usually doesn't cover it.

Again, Joe, you want to use your own facts, but facts are not as mutable as opinions.

Given few of us will have any jobs after AI takes over, not sure what you are babbling about.

Again, I've been pretty clear that surgery on minors should be a rare thing. I just don't use my fear of trans people as a justification for that like you do.

It is rare because it is absurdly inappropriate, and few doctors are greedy enough to do it.

Few adults are evel enough to molest children, but that doesn't mean it should be allowed.

I think IN SOME CASES, it might be the best course of action.

Puberty blockers are already prescribed for children undergoing early onset puberty.

Which is a completely different reason. Hormones and surgery for healthy children to prevent them from experiencing normal puberty is what you are advocating.

 

[JoeB131]

Sure, however it goes. Point is that the body does not determine gender, is the ideology. If that is the case, then we're talking about "looking like" a girl based on some arbitrary society concept of a what a girl looks like.

I think your transphobia is confusing your argument.

Yes, but to stick to the point, in no case is a fifteen year old mentally and emotionally prepared to make such a permanently life-altering decisions has having healthy breasts removed for the sake of "looking more like a boy."

Well, Chloe Brockman wasn't, but she was such a basket case that it was hard to tell the difference.

some patients, however, DO benefit from such procedures.

in no case is a ten year old mentally and emotionally prepared to fifteen year old mentally and emotionally prepared to make such a permanently life-altering decision as stopping their puberty to avoid "looking like a boy," any more than a fifteen year old is prepared to make such a permanently life-altering decisions has having healthy breasts removed for the sake of "looking more like a boy."

We pump SSRIs into millions of kids to make them more manageable in the classroom. YOu have no problem with that.

Again, Joe, you want to use your own facts, but facts are not as mutable as opinions.

Whatever AI shit you find doesn't matter to me

Which is a completely different reason. Hormones and surgery for healthy children to prevent them from experiencing normal puberty is what you are advocating.

When it's medically appropriate.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I think your transphobia is confusing your argument.

That's what people say when they lose arguments.

Well, Chloe Brockman wasn't, but she was such a basket case that it was hard to tell the difference.

some patients, however, DO benefit from such procedures.

They can wait.

We pump SSRIs into millions of kids to make them more manageable in the classroom. YOu have no problem with that.

Deflection.

I have a big problem with that, and I work with kids with behavior problems.

Whatever AI shit you find doesn't matter to me


When it's medically appropriate.

It isn't.

"Sex changes" are purely cosmetic. The person's sex does not change and neither does their gender even by woke standards since Gender is not physical but sociological (in woke logic).

 

[JoeB131]

Deflection.

I have a big problem with that, and I work with kids with behavior problems.

yet I don't see you turning every thread on health care into an argument about SSRI overuse.

You know, like you work your transphobia into just about every thread.

It isn't.

"Sex changes" are purely cosmetic. The person's sex does not change and neither does their gender even by woke standards since Gender is not physical but sociological (in woke logic).

again, I think your transphobia is confusing your argument.

If you met HER on the street, you'd never know she was assigned male at birth.