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FDR did not make the Depression worse. The peak of the Depression's 'worstness' was in 1933, when FDR had been in office less than a year. From then on things improved.
That FDR made the Depression worse stands as a textbook example of how the Right uses mythology for propaganda purposes.
You're a pathological liar, NYcarbineer.
I asked what are the components of FDR's legacy that most Americans today object to?
So far no one has been able to name ONE.
You're a liar. The following is what you wrote, and the following is what I responded to:
And what, precisely and specifically, did Roosevelt do that qualifies as uniquely fascist under any sane definition of fascism, and that was uniquely an FDR policy?
You have yet to address this blatant falsehood.
FDR's demand-side interventions in the economy, particularly his progressive corporatist regime of artificially inflated prices and wages, made the Depression worse as they prolonged it for years against the market's self-correcting forces. Unemployment peaked at roughly 24% in 1933, but never got below 17% prior to the war production years. In short, roughly 16 to 17 million remained unemployed for years for no good reason at all. The matter has been well-understood for decades.
Anything that doesn't jell with lefty's magical world of Disney is myth. Myth. Yeah. That's one of lefty's favorite words. For more than a century, the American economy grew at a rate unparalleled in all of history, with cyclical downtowns and rapid recoveries. And then suddenly, for the first time in American history, the government got all jiggy with it and turned a depression into a Great Depression lasting nearly 14 years.
But for lefty all that history and subsequent economic experience and analyses is . . . well . . . you know, myth.
In truth, most leftists are pathological liars, and I'm done with this one in particular, because like most leftists nowadays, he's also an anti-Semitic. By the way, what is it with these liberal/progressive fascists and Jews ever since Wilson especially? They just can't seem to shake of the myths off that ancient disease.
Sure.
You act as if stupidity were a virtue.
Seems to be just about all you have going for you.
Laminate this for your wallet....'you can't beat something with nothing.'
'Nothing'....your nickname.
No you're wrong again, there are no legitimate historians who would support Goldberg's view.....just a lot of dummies on the internet.
Other works:
The Road to Serfdom by F. A. Hayek.
Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany by Wolfgang Schivelbusch.
Retrospectives: Eugenics and Economics in the Progressive Era by Thomas Leonard.
Progressivism and the Doctrine of Natural Rights and Nature and History in American Political Development by James W. Ceaser.
How Roosevelt, Taft, and Wilson Reshaped the American Regime of Self-Government by Will Morrisey
Eugenics and the Progressives by D. Pickens.
Defending the Master Race: Conservation, Eugenics, and the Legacy of Madison Grant by Jonathan Spiro.
Southern Progressivism by Dewey W. Grantham.
The Progressive Era and Race: Reaction and Reform by David W. Southern
And these are just a few of the works on my self. Let me know when you're ready for more.
BTW, Taft was a conservative progressive; that is to say, he flirted with the elitist notion that classical liberalism's traditional emphasis on natural rights and limited government were the historical relics of agrarian society. He became disillusioned with the movement after Teddy betrayed him and essentially put that maniac Wilson in the White House. Latter Chief Justice Taft authored judicial opinions that slapped down a number of especially egregious constitutional transgressions fancied by progressives, particularly those touching on immigration law.
See also:
Fascism Comes to America by Ralph Raico
The Free Market: How FDR Made the Depression Worse
I also have a few titles on my self written by leftist historians. Their view of the Progressive movement is generally more favorable, of course. But the author's of these works don't entirely white wash the influences of Euro-fascism on American progressivism or deny the striking parallels between the two forms of national socialism in historical practice. In truth, the only things that frustrated the implementation of some of the more, shall we say, adventurous aspects of the progressive agenda favored by its leading lights were the constraints of constitutional law, the prevailing influence of Christian ethics, the pervasive rugged individualism of the American character and the devastating revelations of WWII. Incidentally, progressivism's eugenics movement in America had a profound influence on the thinking of European fascists, on the German Nazis especially!
FDR did not make the Depression worse. The peak of the Depression's 'worstness' was in 1933, when FDR had been in office less than a year. From then on things improved.
That FDR made the Depression worse stands as a textbook example of how the Right uses mythology for propaganda purposes.
Other works:
The Road to Serfdom by F. A. Hayek.
Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany by Wolfgang Schivelbusch.
Retrospectives: Eugenics and Economics in the Progressive Era by Thomas Leonard.
Progressivism and the Doctrine of Natural Rights and Nature and History in American Political Development by James W. Ceaser.
How Roosevelt, Taft, and Wilson Reshaped the American Regime of Self-Government by Will Morrisey
Eugenics and the Progressives by D. Pickens.
Defending the Master Race: Conservation, Eugenics, and the Legacy of Madison Grant by Jonathan Spiro.
Southern Progressivism by Dewey W. Grantham.
The Progressive Era and Race: Reaction and Reform by David W. Southern
And these are just a few of the works on my self. Let me know when you're ready for more.
BTW, Taft was a conservative progressive; that is to say, he flirted with the elitist notion that classical liberalism's traditional emphasis on natural rights and limited government were the historical relics of agrarian society. He became disillusioned with the movement after Teddy betrayed him and essentially put that maniac Wilson in the White House. Latter Chief Justice Taft authored judicial opinions that slapped down a number of especially egregious constitutional transgressions fancied by progressives, particularly those touching on immigration law.
See also:
Fascism Comes to America by Ralph Raico
The Free Market: How FDR Made the Depression Worse
I also have a few titles on my self written by leftist historians. Their view of the Progressive movement is generally more favorable, of course. But the author's of these works don't entirely white wash the influences of Euro-fascism on American progressivism or deny the striking parallels between the two forms of national socialism in historical practice. In truth, the only things that frustrated the implementation of some of the more, shall we say, adventurous aspects of the progressive agenda favored by its leading lights were the constraints of constitutional law, the prevailing influence of Christian ethics, the pervasive rugged individualism of the American character and the devastating revelations of WWII. Incidentally, progressivism's eugenics movement in America had a profound influence on the thinking of European fascists, on the German Nazis especially!
FDR did not make the Depression worse. The peak of the Depression's 'worstness' was in 1933, when FDR had been in office less than a year. From then on things improved.
That FDR made the Depression worse stands as a textbook example of how the Right uses mythology for propaganda purposes.
"FDR did not make the Depression worse."
'In "The High Tide of American Conservatism: Davis, Coolidge, and the 1924 Election," Garland Tucker casts new light on the election and the two candidates, Democrat John W. Davis and Republican Calvin Coolidge. He quotes Paul Rubin: "We now know that FDR's policies likely prolonged the Great Depression because the economy never fully recovered in the 1930s, and actually got worse in the latter half of the decade." And then, quotes Paul Johnson: "Coolidge Prosperity was huge, real, widespread and it showed that the concept of a property-owning democracy could be realized."
No you're wrong again, there are no legitimate historians who would support Goldberg's view.....just a lot of dummies on the internet.
Other works:
The Road to Serfdom by F. A. Hayek.
Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany by Wolfgang Schivelbusch.
Retrospectives: Eugenics and Economics in the Progressive Era by Thomas Leonard.
Progressivism and the Doctrine of Natural Rights and Nature and History in American Political Development by James W. Ceaser.
How Roosevelt, Taft, and Wilson Reshaped the American Regime of Self-Government by Will Morrisey
Eugenics and the Progressives by D. Pickens.
Defending the Master Race: Conservation, Eugenics, and the Legacy of Madison Grant by Jonathan Spiro.
Southern Progressivism by Dewey W. Grantham.
The Progressive Era and Race: Reaction and Reform by David W. Southern
And these are just a few of the works on my self. Let me know when you're ready for more.
BTW, Taft was a conservative progressive; that is to say, he flirted with the elitist notion that classical liberalism's traditional emphasis on natural rights and limited government were the historical relics of agrarian society. He became disillusioned with the movement after Teddy betrayed him and essentially put that maniac Wilson in the White House. Latter Chief Justice Taft authored judicial opinions that slapped down a number of especially egregious constitutional transgressions fancied by progressives, particularly those touching on immigration law.
See also:
Fascism Comes to America by Ralph Raico
The Free Market: How FDR Made the Depression Worse
I also have a few titles on my self written by leftist historians. Their view of the Progressive movement is generally more favorable, of course. But the author's of these works don't entirely white wash the influences of Euro-fascism on American progressivism or deny the striking parallels between the two forms of national socialism in historical practice. In truth, the only things that frustrated the implementation of some of the more, shall we say, adventurous aspects of the progressive agenda favored by its leading lights were the constraints of constitutional law, the prevailing influence of Christian ethics, the pervasive rugged individualism of the American character and the devastating revelations of WWII. Incidentally, progressivism's eugenics movement in America had a profound influence on the thinking of European fascists, on the German Nazis especially!
FDR did not make the Depression worse. The peak of the Depression's 'worstness' was in 1933, when FDR had been in office less than a year. From then on things improved.
That FDR made the Depression worse stands as a textbook example of how the Right uses mythology for propaganda purposes.
1. Mussolini exalts Capitalism, as would all you good conservatives:
"We affirm that the true story of capitalism is now beginning, because capitalism is not a system of oppression only, but is also a selection of values, a coordination of hierarchies, a more amply developed sense of individual responsibility."
2. Mussolini expresses disdain for more government programs, as do all you good conservatives:
"They ask us for programs but there are already too many. It is not programs that are wanting for the salvation of Italy but men and will power."
3. Mussolini scorns Democracy, in good conservative fashion:
"Democracy is beautiful in theory; in practice it is a fallacy. You in America will see that some day."
4. Mussolini despises Socialism, as do all good conservatives:
"The Socialists ask what is our program? Our program is to smash the heads of the Socialists."
and, as the topper, Mussolini channels the comic arrogance of PoliticalChic:
"I am making superhuman efforts to educate this people. When they have learnt to obey, they will believe what I tell them."
...So, RWnuts, how do you like your conservative pal Mussolini now?
lolol
Benito Mussolini - Wikiquote
FDR did not make the Depression worse. The peak of the Depression's 'worstness' was in 1933, when FDR had been in office less than a year. From then on things improved.
That FDR made the Depression worse stands as a textbook example of how the Right uses mythology for propaganda purposes.
"FDR did not make the Depression worse."
'In "The High Tide of American Conservatism: Davis, Coolidge, and the 1924 Election," Garland Tucker casts new light on the election and the two candidates, Democrat John W. Davis and Republican Calvin Coolidge. He quotes Paul Rubin: "We now know that FDR's policies likely prolonged the Great Depression because the economy never fully recovered in the 1930s, and actually got worse in the latter half of the decade." And then, quotes Paul Johnson: "Coolidge Prosperity was huge, real, widespread and it showed that the concept of a property-owning democracy could be realized."
That is baseless speculation inspired by a political agenda.
Seems to be just about all you have going for you.
Laminate this for your wallet....'you can't beat something with nothing.'
'Nothing'....your nickname.
You might someday actually have something if you didn't get all your information from websites. Who knows, you might even come up with some thoughts of your own.
"FDR did not make the Depression worse."
'In "The High Tide of American Conservatism: Davis, Coolidge, and the 1924 Election," Garland Tucker casts new light on the election and the two candidates, Democrat John W. Davis and Republican Calvin Coolidge. He quotes Paul Rubin: "We now know that FDR's policies likely prolonged the Great Depression because the economy never fully recovered in the 1930s, and actually got worse in the latter half of the decade." And then, quotes Paul Johnson: "Coolidge Prosperity was huge, real, widespread and it showed that the concept of a property-owning democracy could be realized."
That is baseless speculation inspired by a political agenda.
Hardly....
....it is revealing you to be the equivalent of a SNL comedy skit.
Oh, and btw, I'm still waiting for anyone to cite anything in FDR's legacy that a consensus of modern day Americans finds objectionable.
That is baseless speculation inspired by a political agenda.
Hardly....
....it is revealing you to be the equivalent of a SNL comedy skit.
It's become painfully apparent that you have no idea what Fascism is, no clue what it looks like. So I think it's time to begin your education. Let's start your lesson with learning about some actual Fascists....rather than the one's of your imagination.
This is Francisco Franco, Fascist dictator of Spain.
That is baseless speculation inspired by a political agenda.
Hardly....
....it is revealing you to be the equivalent of a SNL comedy skit.
It's become painfully apparent that you have no idea what Fascism is, no clue what it looks like. So I think it's time to begin your education. Let's start your lesson with learning about some actual Fascists....rather than the one's of your imagination.
This is Francisco Franco, Fascist dictator of Spain.
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1. Mussolini exalts Capitalism, as would all you good conservatives:
"We affirm that the true story of capitalism is now beginning, because capitalism is not a system of oppression only, but is also a selection of values, a coordination of hierarchies, a more amply developed sense of individual responsibility."
2. Mussolini expresses disdain for more government programs, as do all you good conservatives:
"They ask us for programs but there are already too many. It is not programs that are wanting for the salvation of Italy but men and will power."
3. Mussolini scorns Democracy, in good conservative fashion:
"Democracy is beautiful in theory; in practice it is a fallacy. You in America will see that some day."
4. Mussolini despises Socialism, as do all good conservatives:
"The Socialists ask what is our program? Our program is to smash the heads of the Socialists."
and, as the topper, Mussolini channels the comic arrogance of PoliticalChic:
"I am making superhuman efforts to educate this people. When they have learnt to obey, they will believe what I tell them."
...So, RWnuts, how do you like your conservative pal Mussolini now?
lolol
Benito Mussolini - Wikiquote
So no one wants to even attempt to dispute my portrayal of Mussolini as a conservative?
lol. See how your own medicine tastes?
Oh, and btw, I'm still waiting for anyone to cite anything in FDR's legacy that a consensus of modern day Americans finds objectionable.
No one made such a claim, so why would we bother?
BTW, popular is not the same thing as "right."
Oh, and btw, I'm still waiting for anyone to cite anything in FDR's legacy that a consensus of modern day Americans finds objectionable.
No one made such a claim, so why would we bother?
BTW, popular is not the same thing as "right."
Oh, and btw, I'm still waiting for anyone to cite anything in FDR's legacy that a consensus of modern day Americans finds objectionable.
No one made such a claim, so why would we bother?
BTW, popular is not the same thing as "right."
So we're all in agreement that despite whatever wacky label some nut like PC wants to attach to FDR,
in the end it must be conceded that his legacy is a positive one?
Okay. Fair enough.
Oh, and btw, I'm still waiting for anyone to cite anything in FDR's legacy that a consensus of modern day Americans finds objectionable.
No one made such a claim, so why would we bother?
BTW, popular is not the same thing as "right."
He ignored that point when I pointed out that when Hitler entered Vienna, je was greeted by an enthusiastic crowd of up to one million people. A plebiscite was held in less than a month, and 99.7% of Austrians voted to join the Third Reich.
Oh, and btw, I'm still waiting for anyone to cite anything in FDR's legacy that a consensus of modern day Americans finds objectionable.
No one made such a claim, so why would we bother?
BTW, popular is not the same thing as "right."
He ignored that point when I pointed out that when Hitler entered Vienna, je was greeted by an enthusiastic crowd of up to one million people. A plebiscite was held in less than a month, and 99.7% of Austrians voted to join the Third Reich.
No one made such a claim, so why would we bother?
BTW, popular is not the same thing as "right."
He ignored that point when I pointed out that when Hitler entered Vienna, je was greeted by an enthusiastic crowd of up to one million people. A plebiscite was held in less than a month, and 99.7% of Austrians voted to join the Third Reich.
And what does that have to do with Roosevelt's legacy?
Are you trying to establish a premise that all public opinion is of no value? Isn't that an argument against democratic government?
What's your alternative to democratic government that will save us from the will of the People?
