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[USApatriotz]

More evidence dinosaurs existed than Jesus

A.*We have no firsthand testimony from anyone who knew Jesus or wrote anything about him during his life time. (All the Gospels are late and anonymous). No person living in Roman Palestine neither saw, knew of, nor heard of either Jesus or his followers.*

B.*We have nothing written by Jesus himself. Ironically, Jesus is portrayed as highly educated speaking Hebrew (Luke 4: 16 – 20), Aramaic (Matt. 27: 46), Greek (Matt. 16: 6) and Latin (Matt. 8: 5 -13), yet he remained unable to write anything. (The story of Jesus writing in the sand in John 8: 2 – 11 is textually late and begs the question as to why Jesus wrote nothing. This could be because the author(s) of these forged accounts didn’t know either Hebrew or Aramaic.) (1) Even Jesus’ contemporary, the itinerant miracle working Apollonius of Tyana had works ascribed to him. (2) In short, the lack of Jesus having left anything in writing could be due to the fact that the forgers of the Gospel traditions viewed their detailed verbatim creations as totally sufficient.*

C.*The Jesus of the Gospels cannot be separated from the context of myth and theology. Jesus will (and must) remain an integrated part of myth and faith joined at the head just as Siamese twins who share vital organs are joined. To remove some type of reconstructed “Historical Jesus” from his world of faith and myth will only destroy both.*

D.*The Gospels don’t tell us where they were composed. However, the fact they were composed in Greek and not a Semitic language which was native to Roman Palestine (such as Aramaic or Hebrew) points to their composition outside of Palestine. (See point, H)*

E.*While Roman Palestine is center-stage for the Gospels events, there has never been found any early manuscript of any Gospels or section of any Gospel or wall graffiti to validate Jesus ever lived in the entire country from Galilee to Jerusalem. In short, when scholars look to first century Roman Palestine for any evidence for the Gospel Jesus, they find totally nothing!

F.*The early (65 -90 CE) traditional dates for the Gospels or purely based on conjecture and faith.*

G.*Philo (the only contemporary source during Jesus life time) doesn’t mention Jesus although Philo was acutely interested in the Jerusalem Temple and anything that happened there. *A Jesus who fought with the Temple Priest and Jewish leaders in Jerusalem would have mostly likely caught Philo's attention.

H.*Josephus’s account of Jesus (as well as his account of James and John the Baptist) is little more than Greek stories which tell us no more than what is stated in the Gospels composed outside of first century Palestine. These Gospels accounts were composed in Hellenistic Greek most likely in Asia Minor or somewhere around Alexander Egypt. (3) So far facts point to the case that early papyri such has P52, P45, P46, P47, P66, P72, and P75 (all found disposed of in Egypt) were likely also composed in Egypt. If this fact is correct, the statements by Josephus used to support a Historical Jesus have totally nothing to do with Roman Palestine, but Christian Egypt. This can be supported by the fact that most all quotations cited by the Old Testament are taken from the LXX ; a text which, like Jesus, never uses God’s personal name (Yahweh / Jehovah), but Theos. This very likely gives us a hint of the Gnostic theological beliefs of the composers as well as a location somewhere in Egypt for the creation of the Gospels traditions. (4)*

I.*I have discussed Josephus’s often wild and unreliable fabrications dealing with the Bible stated as history*HERE***Regardless, Josephus NEVER said he had any firsthand knowledge of these three Gospel events nor does he tell us how he got his information. His use of this material (that which a Christian did not interpolate) in his*Jewish Antiquities*has more to do with the embellishment of his work (a standard ploy of Josephus in his*Antiquities)*than with truth.

J.*St. Paul NEVER saw or met any earthly Jesus. Paul’s letters are little more than theological discussions. If Paul had the Gospels at hand, why does he know so little about Jesus? It has long been known among scholars that the account of Paul’s life in the latter half of the Book of Acts and his Epistles can’t be reconciled. Moreover, like the Gospels themselves, neither Paul’s letters nor the New Testament as a whole can textually be dated with any certainty prior to 200 CE as there is no manuscript evidence.*

K.*None of the original apostles (be they 12 (Mark 6:7) or 72 (Luke 10: 1) or 120 (Acts 1: 15) left us anything. 1 and 2 Peter knows little of any Historical Jesus, but is highly theological.*

L.*The so-called*Historical Jesus is nothing more than a straw man. To construct a so-called "Historical Jesus" out of the myth and theology of the Gospels is purely conjecture rebuilt on subjective ideas using the conflicting and contradicting Gospel accounts. There have been several dozen*Historical Jesus*figures created to vindicate anything that can come close to reality. When cut out of the mythical environment of the Gospels, we have nothing but a straw man created in the scholars own image. TheHistorical Jesus*created by Bart Ehrman carries no more value that the*Historical Jesus*created by Thomas Jefferson after he took a knife to the Gospels stories in his Bible.*

M.*The use of “Jesus” by the Early Church Fathers is purely theological and used for rhetorical purposes. The confession of Jesus Christ is a statement of faith and not history.*

N.*While Christianity is mentioned by ten pagan writers, Jesus never is. (5)*

O.*Jesus is not mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Though we have about 930 texts and fragments of scrolls preserved by the dry climate of Palestine (often under bat dung), we find no Christian textual material from the first two centuries CE in Palestine. (6) Yet, with similar climate conditions in Egypt, the textual traditions of has left us with fifty-two texts, most dealing with Gnosticism.*

P.*The idea that Jesus was an itinerant non-literary prophet preacher is modeled after the same theory that Elijah and Elisha were also itinerant, non-literary prophets / preachers, but whose lives we now know are based entirely in fiction.*

Q.*Josephus, as governor of Galilee, had firsthand knowledge of the area and tells us that Galilee had “two hundred and four cities and villages” (7), yet he knows nothing about any town or village in lower Galilee called Nazareth . . . a place so important to Jesus in the Gospels. *Neither is Nazareth mentioned in the Old Testament, nor in the Talmud nor in the Midrash.

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[irosie91]

so? there is no real historic proof that lots of people existed. I doubt that there would have been SO MUCH writing about a non-existent person within less that
100 years of his death if he had not existed. I have no idea where you get the
idea that the Jesus as described in the NT-----was literate in Greek and Latin----
there is clear indication that he did Hebrew and Aramaic which would be entirely
plausible for a jew at his time (we got records that indicate that moderately
educated jewish males in Judea were literate in both Aramaic and Hebrew

 

[yiostheoy]

More evidence dinosaurs existed than Jesus

A.*We have no firsthand testimony from anyone who knew Jesus or wrote anything about him during his life time. (All the Gospels are late and anonymous). No person living in Roman Palestine neither saw, knew of, nor heard of either Jesus or his followers.*

B.*We have nothing written by Jesus himself. Ironically, Jesus is portrayed as highly educated speaking Hebrew (Luke 4: 16 – 20), Aramaic (Matt. 27: 46), Greek (Matt. 16: 6) and Latin (Matt. 8: 5 -13), yet he remained unable to write anything. (The story of Jesus writing in the sand in John 8: 2 – 11 is textually late and begs the question as to why Jesus wrote nothing. This could be because the author(s) of these forged accounts didn’t know either Hebrew or Aramaic.) (1) Even Jesus’ contemporary, the itinerant miracle working Apollonius of Tyana had works ascribed to him. (2) In short, the lack of Jesus having left anything in writing could be due to the fact that the forgers of the Gospel traditions viewed their detailed verbatim creations as totally sufficient.*

C.*The Jesus of the Gospels cannot be separated from the context of myth and theology. Jesus will (and must) remain an integrated part of myth and faith joined at the head just as Siamese twins who share vital organs are joined. To remove some type of reconstructed “Historical Jesus” from his world of faith and myth will only destroy both.*

D.*The Gospels don’t tell us where they were composed. However, the fact they were composed in Greek and not a Semitic language which was native to Roman Palestine (such as Aramaic or Hebrew) points to their composition outside of Palestine. (See point, H)*

E.*While Roman Palestine is center-stage for the Gospels events, there has never been found any early manuscript of any Gospels or section of any Gospel or wall graffiti to validate Jesus ever lived in the entire country from Galilee to Jerusalem. In short, when scholars look to first century Roman Palestine for any evidence for the Gospel Jesus, they find totally nothing!

F.*The early (65 -90 CE) traditional dates for the Gospels or purely based on conjecture and faith.*

G.*Philo (the only contemporary source during Jesus life time) doesn’t mention Jesus although Philo was acutely interested in the Jerusalem Temple and anything that happened there. *A Jesus who fought with the Temple Priest and Jewish leaders in Jerusalem would have mostly likely caught Philo's attention.

H.*Josephus’s account of Jesus (as well as his account of James and John the Baptist) is little more than Greek stories which tell us no more than what is stated in the Gospels composed outside of first century Palestine. These Gospels accounts were composed in Hellenistic Greek most likely in Asia Minor or somewhere around Alexander Egypt. (3) So far facts point to the case that early papyri such has P52, P45, P46, P47, P66, P72, and P75 (all found disposed of in Egypt) were likely also composed in Egypt. If this fact is correct, the statements by Josephus used to support a Historical Jesus have totally nothing to do with Roman Palestine, but Christian Egypt. This can be supported by the fact that most all quotations cited by the Old Testament are taken from the LXX ; a text which, like Jesus, never uses God’s personal name (Yahweh / Jehovah), but Theos. This very likely gives us a hint of the Gnostic theological beliefs of the composers as well as a location somewhere in Egypt for the creation of the Gospels traditions. (4)*

I.*I have discussed Josephus’s often wild and unreliable fabrications dealing with the Bible stated as history*HERE***Regardless, Josephus NEVER said he had any firsthand knowledge of these three Gospel events nor does he tell us how he got his information. His use of this material (that which a Christian did not interpolate) in his*Jewish Antiquities*has more to do with the embellishment of his work (a standard ploy of Josephus in his*Antiquities)*than with truth.

J.*St. Paul NEVER saw or met any earthly Jesus. Paul’s letters are little more than theological discussions. If Paul had the Gospels at hand, why does he know so little about Jesus? It has long been known among scholars that the account of Paul’s life in the latter half of the Book of Acts and his Epistles can’t be reconciled. Moreover, like the Gospels themselves, neither Paul’s letters nor the New Testament as a whole can textually be dated with any certainty prior to 200 CE as there is no manuscript evidence.*

K.*None of the original apostles (be they 12 (Mark 6:7) or 72 (Luke 10: 1) or 120 (Acts 1: 15) left us anything. 1 and 2 Peter knows little of any Historical Jesus, but is highly theological.*

L.*The so-called*Historical Jesus is nothing more than a straw man. To construct a so-called "Historical Jesus" out of the myth and theology of the Gospels is purely conjecture rebuilt on subjective ideas using the conflicting and contradicting Gospel accounts. There have been several dozen*Historical Jesus*figures created to vindicate anything that can come close to reality. When cut out of the mythical environment of the Gospels, we have nothing but a straw man created in the scholars own image. TheHistorical Jesus*created by Bart Ehrman carries no more value that the*Historical Jesus*created by Thomas Jefferson after he took a knife to the Gospels stories in his Bible.*

M.*The use of “Jesus” by the Early Church Fathers is purely theological and used for rhetorical purposes. The confession of Jesus Christ is a statement of faith and not history.*

N.*While Christianity is mentioned by ten pagan writers, Jesus never is. (5)*

O.*Jesus is not mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Though we have about 930 texts and fragments of scrolls preserved by the dry climate of Palestine (often under bat dung), we find no Christian textual material from the first two centuries CE in Palestine. (6) Yet, with similar climate conditions in Egypt, the textual traditions of has left us with fifty-two texts, most dealing with Gnosticism.*

P.*The idea that Jesus was an itinerant non-literary prophet preacher is modeled after the same theory that Elijah and Elisha were also itinerant, non-literary prophets / preachers, but whose lives we now know are based entirely in fiction.*

Q.*Josephus, as governor of Galilee, had firsthand knowledge of the area and tells us that Galilee had “two hundred and four cities and villages” (7), yet he knows nothing about any town or village in lower Galilee called Nazareth . . . a place so important to Jesus in the Gospels. *Neither is Nazareth mentioned in the Old Testament, nor in the Talmud nor in the Midrash.

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[yiostheoy]

For the record, the two historians on point regarding Jesus are Josephus and Eusebius.

 

[USApatriotz]

I'm just saying even my college history professor said not a SINGLE eyewitness or contemporary account exists that there was an earthly Jesus existed! Jesus never did so much as sign his name! There were 126 writers in Palestine at the alleged time of Jesus & not ONE of them even mentioned him! I can post that list another day.

Remember the bible was written DECADES later by authors who NEVER saw Jesus!

 

[USApatriotz]

For the record, the two historians on point regarding Jesus are Josephus and Eusebius.

Both were born AFTER Jesus allegedly died so they were just repeating stories about people they NEVER met.

At BEST it's hearsay which is not even admissible in court

 

[defcon4]

For the record, the two historians on point regarding Jesus are Josephus and Eusebius.

Both were born AFTER Jesus allegedly died so they were just repeating stories about people they NEVER met.

At BEST it's hearsay which is not even admissible in court

What's your point? Are you on a jihad to single handedly destroy Christianity? Many tried before you with no success. Good luck in your endeavor.

 

[PurpleOwl]

I'm just saying even my college history professor said not a SINGLE eyewitness or contemporary account exists that there was an earthly Jesus existed! Jesus never did so much as sign his name! There were 126 writers in Palestine at the alleged time of Jesus & not ONE of them even mentioned him! I can post that list another day.

Remember the bible was written DECADES later by authors who NEVER saw Jesus!

great thread everything you wrote is 100% true dont let the bible thumping terrorists around here tell you different

 

[frigidweirdo]

More evidence dinosaurs existed than Jesus

A.*We have no firsthand testimony from anyone who knew Jesus or wrote anything about him during his life time. (All the Gospels are late and anonymous). No person living in Roman Palestine neither saw, knew of, nor heard of either Jesus or his followers.*

B.*We have nothing written by Jesus himself. Ironically, Jesus is portrayed as highly educated speaking Hebrew (Luke 4: 16 – 20), Aramaic (Matt. 27: 46), Greek (Matt. 16: 6) and Latin (Matt. 8: 5 -13), yet he remained unable to write anything. (The story of Jesus writing in the sand in John 8: 2 – 11 is textually late and begs the question as to why Jesus wrote nothing. This could be because the author(s) of these forged accounts didn’t know either Hebrew or Aramaic.) (1) Even Jesus’ contemporary, the itinerant miracle working Apollonius of Tyana had works ascribed to him. (2) In short, the lack of Jesus having left anything in writing could be due to the fact that the forgers of the Gospel traditions viewed their detailed verbatim creations as totally sufficient.*

C.*The Jesus of the Gospels cannot be separated from the context of myth and theology. Jesus will (and must) remain an integrated part of myth and faith joined at the head just as Siamese twins who share vital organs are joined. To remove some type of reconstructed “Historical Jesus” from his world of faith and myth will only destroy both.*

D.*The Gospels don’t tell us where they were composed. However, the fact they were composed in Greek and not a Semitic language which was native to Roman Palestine (such as Aramaic or Hebrew) points to their composition outside of Palestine. (See point, H)*

E.*While Roman Palestine is center-stage for the Gospels events, there has never been found any early manuscript of any Gospels or section of any Gospel or wall graffiti to validate Jesus ever lived in the entire country from Galilee to Jerusalem. In short, when scholars look to first century Roman Palestine for any evidence for the Gospel Jesus, they find totally nothing!

F.*The early (65 -90 CE) traditional dates for the Gospels or purely based on conjecture and faith.*

G.*Philo (the only contemporary source during Jesus life time) doesn’t mention Jesus although Philo was acutely interested in the Jerusalem Temple and anything that happened there. *A Jesus who fought with the Temple Priest and Jewish leaders in Jerusalem would have mostly likely caught Philo's attention.

H.*Josephus’s account of Jesus (as well as his account of James and John the Baptist) is little more than Greek stories which tell us no more than what is stated in the Gospels composed outside of first century Palestine. These Gospels accounts were composed in Hellenistic Greek most likely in Asia Minor or somewhere around Alexander Egypt. (3) So far facts point to the case that early papyri such has P52, P45, P46, P47, P66, P72, and P75 (all found disposed of in Egypt) were likely also composed in Egypt. If this fact is correct, the statements by Josephus used to support a Historical Jesus have totally nothing to do with Roman Palestine, but Christian Egypt. This can be supported by the fact that most all quotations cited by the Old Testament are taken from the LXX ; a text which, like Jesus, never uses God’s personal name (Yahweh / Jehovah), but Theos. This very likely gives us a hint of the Gnostic theological beliefs of the composers as well as a location somewhere in Egypt for the creation of the Gospels traditions. (4)*

I.*I have discussed Josephus’s often wild and unreliable fabrications dealing with the Bible stated as history*HERE***Regardless, Josephus NEVER said he had any firsthand knowledge of these three Gospel events nor does he tell us how he got his information. His use of this material (that which a Christian did not interpolate) in his*Jewish Antiquities*has more to do with the embellishment of his work (a standard ploy of Josephus in his*Antiquities)*than with truth.

J.*St. Paul NEVER saw or met any earthly Jesus. Paul’s letters are little more than theological discussions. If Paul had the Gospels at hand, why does he know so little about Jesus? It has long been known among scholars that the account of Paul’s life in the latter half of the Book of Acts and his Epistles can’t be reconciled. Moreover, like the Gospels themselves, neither Paul’s letters nor the New Testament as a whole can textually be dated with any certainty prior to 200 CE as there is no manuscript evidence.*

K.*None of the original apostles (be they 12 (Mark 6:7) or 72 (Luke 10: 1) or 120 (Acts 1: 15) left us anything. 1 and 2 Peter knows little of any Historical Jesus, but is highly theological.*

L.*The so-called*Historical Jesus is nothing more than a straw man. To construct a so-called "Historical Jesus" out of the myth and theology of the Gospels is purely conjecture rebuilt on subjective ideas using the conflicting and contradicting Gospel accounts. There have been several dozen*Historical Jesus*figures created to vindicate anything that can come close to reality. When cut out of the mythical environment of the Gospels, we have nothing but a straw man created in the scholars own image. TheHistorical Jesus*created by Bart Ehrman carries no more value that the*Historical Jesus*created by Thomas Jefferson after he took a knife to the Gospels stories in his Bible.*

M.*The use of “Jesus” by the Early Church Fathers is purely theological and used for rhetorical purposes. The confession of Jesus Christ is a statement of faith and not history.*

N.*While Christianity is mentioned by ten pagan writers, Jesus never is. (5)*

O.*Jesus is not mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Though we have about 930 texts and fragments of scrolls preserved by the dry climate of Palestine (often under bat dung), we find no Christian textual material from the first two centuries CE in Palestine. (6) Yet, with similar climate conditions in Egypt, the textual traditions of has left us with fifty-two texts, most dealing with Gnosticism.*

P.*The idea that Jesus was an itinerant non-literary prophet preacher is modeled after the same theory that Elijah and Elisha were also itinerant, non-literary prophets / preachers, but whose lives we now know are based entirely in fiction.*

Q.*Josephus, as governor of Galilee, had firsthand knowledge of the area and tells us that Galilee had “two hundred and four cities and villages” (7), yet he knows nothing about any town or village in lower Galilee called Nazareth . . . a place so important to Jesus in the Gospels. *Neither is Nazareth mentioned in the Old Testament, nor in the Talmud nor in the Midrash.

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[S.J.]

Let me guess...The OP is a liberal?

 

[defcon4]

Let me guess...The OP is a liberal?

No, he is one of those who think Christians stole something from them.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The truth is there's more evidence that Aliens exist and of big foot then jesus.

 

[PurpleOwl]

Let me guess...The OP is a liberal?

are you saying only brainwashed creationists vote republican?

 

[defcon4]

Let me guess...The OP is a liberal?

No, he is one of those who think Christians stole something from them.

fuck off retard

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[Missourian]

Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44.[1]

The context of the passage is the six-day Great Fire of Rome that burned much of the city in AD 64 during the reign of Roman Emperor Nero.[2] The passage is one of the earliest non-Christian references to the origins of Christianity, the execution of Christ described in the canonical gospels, and the presence and persecution of Christians in 1st-century Rome.[3][4]

Scholars generally consider Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]​

 

[HaShev]

For the record, the two historians on point regarding Jesus are Josephus and Eusebius.

Actually Eusebius being the grest liar forger is proof that Josephus accts of Jesus is forged aka placed in out of context.
Josephus being a Jew would not call him Christ and ask yourself this logical question, why would every Jewish figure have their Hebrew name entact except Jesus.
The earliest copiest of Josephus have no mention of Jesus, it's not untill the time of Eusebius and Constantine does the name and out of context magically appear.

In fact on doing some research I stumbled upon the fact that Josephus was related distantly to Salome wife of King Jannaeus (100bc) as she married into the Maccabee lineage as his great relative did. One of the many Christ figures making up the Jesus image was Yeshu son of the harlot Mary of 100bc. Yeshu is supposed to be related to Salome who was also a follower therefore
YESHU was related to Josephus and yet Josephus makes no mention of Yeshu whats so ever. He mentions the other 2 christ figures Yehuda of Galilee and Theudas by the Jordan as does the Book of acts, but never does he speak of his relative the son of mary christ figure. And that figure alone is not Jesus, 0nly the "harlot" church favors the half roman sorcerer Yeshu and made the harlot the queen mother (Isis) of their baal worship church. Called the church of Satan in the NT and by John of Patmos.

 

[shockedcanadian]

There is no historical evidence for many famous people, from Attila the Hun to Alexander the Great. This is why we have history books, they didn't have cameras and video back then, just the written word. The bible is a historical reference, confirmed by multiple eyewitnesses, Jesus acknowledged by multiple religious texts and even Roman government officials and historians.

You can have your opinion, but some balance might be beneficial here. Unless you are expecting DNA evidence for every important person in history to be available in order for something to be confirmed.

 

[HaShev]

There is no historical evidence for many famous people, from Attila the Hun to Alexander the Great. This is why we have history books, they didn't have cameras and video back then, just the written word. The bible is a historical reference, confirmed by multiple eyewitnesses, Jesus acknowledged by multiple religious texts and even Roman government officials and historians.

You can have your opinion, but some balance might be beneficial here. Unless you are expecting DNA evidence for every important person in history to be available in order for something to be confirmed.

The Jesus story uses 3 different era christ figures accts and can be proven not historically accurate or possible by things like: Character claimed in the time of
King Herod & Lysania yet Herod died in 4bc and Lysanias 35bc census was in 7bc so they moved his date back to 6bc to fit Herod hoping you'd miss the Lysanias dating(by not teaching history) and not know when the census was. The widows mite mentioned in the NT is a Jannaeus Alexander (100bc)
coin where the half roman christ of 100bc was stoned & hanged on passover, which is what the NT says accting both a hanging and another later 2 were the ones Crucified.
Salome the friend follower is Jannaeus wifexthus dated on 100bc not AD Pilate where Theudas by the Jordan whocs apostles were martyred died in 45ad.
So no singular historical figure record but many compiled figures used to CREATE THE IMAGE OF THE SON OF PERDITION
-Ezekiel 28

But even the church admits the image borrows other cultures pagan mythologies.
The image is also borrowing Baal, Mithra, Krishna (called Christos), Esus the tri god, Dagon the fishman god father of baal, Zeus, Osirus, Horus, etc.
Jesus has everything you expect a compiled fictitious figure to have.
A new name, a new birthdate, had 2 jobs carpenter and fisherman, 2 blames =Yeshu was some of his own elect due to forb8dden maggis scaming but Yehuda and Theudas was Rome due to revolt, 3 home towns Nazareth, Galilee, and Capernaum , era does not add up to characters in the story, 2 ages he lasted to 33 and closer to 50 says John, 2 methods of persecution hanged & crucified, 2 descriptions of appearances clean shaved and bearded mean look, etc...all proof of a compiled figure, given Baal's bithday and death scene, but also the other figures stoning and hanging scene, given the mithraic symbol sickly man on the cross, and baal sun circle cross...etc etc..
Christianity is that 0ne world (compilation) religion that they claim Rome would use the false prophet and deceive the world with.
Rome got itcs foot into every kingdom untouched through the guise of Religion masking the political tithes to this god they are new authority of, masking the taxes it collects.

 

[USApatriotz]

For the record, the two historians on point regarding Jesus are Josephus and Eusebius.

Both were born AFTER Jesus allegedly died so they were just repeating stories about people they NEVER met.

At BEST it's hearsay which is not even admissible in court

What's your point? Are you on a jihad to single handedly destroy Christianity? Many tried before you with no success. Good luck in your endeavor.

Not at all. I'm just saying to be FAIR and objective and look at all the evidence. There is a difference between theology and ACTUAL history. There is ZERO scientific evidence of a god or afterlife & it's CLEAR upon historical analysis that MAN created these stories of god due to FEAR of death and the unknown. Remember when the bible was written many people only saw half their children even make it to adulthood! It was a VERY hard, cruel, & SHORT life hence god and religion were created by ancient men.

It's true I'm not religious but I have been to church with friend before and I'll go again. It's a place where people meet, talk, and have refreshments after the service. It's a social club! I'll put it this way. I'd rather have a Christian nation WITH freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion than have the increasing influnce of ISLAM!! I've been to Asia and seen the HORROR of Islam up close. Either Sharia law or a version of it. Like how a Christian female student in Indonesia was WHIPPED for simply standing too close to a male student! Just STANDING next to him!! And Indonesia is supposed to be a MODERATE Muslim nation!

Islam is nothing but a MENTAL ILLNESS and I'll do whatever it takes to prevent their INSANE influence to come here in large numbers and do the damage they're doing in Europe! Sure, small numbers are ok but you can't keep letting it grow and grow and grow or they'll eventually demand their own Sharia zones and partial self rule like they're already doing in Europe! Certain restaurant CHAINS in Europe now serve Halal meat just to satisfy sick Muslims!! Look up "Halal meat EVIL" and you'll see how it's basically TORTURE as the animals suffer HORRIBLY all because of a middle eastern DELUSION!!

We actually have humane slaughter laws in America which were lobbied for by the Humane society. The word HUMANE does NOT exist in Islam!! Sorry for the digression and length!

 

[defcon4]

For the record, the two historians on point regarding Jesus are Josephus and Eusebius.

Both were born AFTER Jesus allegedly died so they were just repeating stories about people they NEVER met.

At BEST it's hearsay which is not even admissible in court

What's your point? Are you on a jihad to single handedly destroy Christianity? Many tried before you with no success. Good luck in your endeavor.

Not at all. I'm just saying to be FAIR and objective and look at all the evidence. There is a difference between theology and ACTUAL history. ALL religion has very little evidence to back it up and it's CLEAR upon historical analysis that MAN created these stories of god due to FEAR of death and the unknown. Remember when the bible was written many people only saw half their children even make it to adulthood! It was a VERY hard, cruel, & SHORT life hence god and religion were created by ancient men.

It's true I'm not religious but I have been to church with friend before and I'll go again. It's a place where people meet, talk, and have refreshments after the service. It's a social club! I'll put it this way. I'd rather have a religious Christian nation WITH freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion than have the increasing influnce of ISLAM!! I've been to Asia and seen the HORROR of Islam up close. Either Sharia law or a version of it. Like how a Christian female student in Indonesia was WHIPPED for simply standing too close to a male student! Just STANDING next to him!!

Islam is nothing but a MENTAL ILLNESS and I'll do whatever it takes to prevent their INSANE influence to come here in large numbers and do the damage they're doing in Europe! Sure, small numbers are ok but you can't keep letting it grow and grow and grow or they'll eventually demand their own Sharia zones and partial self rule like they're already doing in Europe! Certain restaurant CHAINS in Europe now serve Halal meat just to satisfy sick Muslims!! Look up "Halal meat EVIL" and you'll see how it's basically TORTURE as the animals suffer HORRIBLY just based on a middle eastern LIE!!

We actually have humane slaughter laws in America which were lobbied for by the Humane society. The word HUMANE does NOT exist in Islam!! Sorry if too long!

I have no problem with any religion as long as it is peaceful and does not harm others. Religion is very important to lead people to the understanding of our existence. Of course, it is easy to misunderstand what I just said. Some will understand it but most won't.