Fake News - what it is, what it isn't....

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Fake news isn't the media "getting it wrong".
Fake news isn't making a mistake and printing a retraction.
Fake news isn't making wrong predictions.

All of the above are part and parcel of the media business.

Fake news is a story that is completely false.

What is interesting isn't that it's something new, it isn't, but social media has given it an engine and the mainstream public doesn't seem to have the tools to untangle truth from fiction yet. The media is also behind the ball in taking responsibility, fact checking before a story is passed on and also - taking fake news to task and dissecting the story. The reason fake news has become such a player recently may be as simple as economics (earning money through ad click revenue) combined with the rather lawless playing field of social media and the lack of will to factcheck material that confirms with one's own preconceptions or bias.

What's interesting about fake news however, is not the story itself but what lies beneath the surface....

Craig Silverman was interviewed on Fresh Air this evening.
Our guest, Craig Silverman, has spent much of his career as a journalist writing about issues of accuracy in media. He wrote a column for the Poynter Institute called Regret the Error and later a book of the same name on the harm done by erroneous reporting. He also launched a web-based startup called Emergent devoted to crowdsourcing the fact-checking of fake news.


He's now the media editor for the website BuzzFeed, and he spent much of this year writing about fake news, rumors and conspiracy theories that gained currency in the presidential campaign - where they came from, why they got so much engagement on social media and what should be done to reduce their impact on public discourse.
Fascinating interview. Some of the main points covered:

Fake election news outperformed real news sites in social media such as facebook - significantly so 3 months and closer to election. 9 months and 6 months prior to the election, real news sites performed better. What is interesting is he provides the data: BuzzFeed News: Election content engagement and everyone of those fake news articles was a thread in Politics here on USMB. Less then half of the real news articles were.


Here's How Fake Election News Outperformed Real Election News On Facebook
Of the 20 top-performing false election stories identified in the analysis, all but three were overtly pro-Donald Trump or anti-Hillary Clinton. Two of the biggest false hits were a story claiming Clinton sold weapons to ISIS and a hoax claiming the pope endorsed Trump, which the site removed after publication of this article. The only viral false stories during the final three months that were arguably against Trump’s interests were a false quote from Mike Pence about Michelle Obama, a false report that Ireland was accepting American “refugees” fleeing Trump, and a hoax claiming RuPaul said he was groped by Trump.


...These developments follow a study by BuzzFeed News that revealed hyperpartisan Facebook pages and their websites were publishing false or misleading content at an alarming rate — and generating significant Facebook engagement in the process. The same was true for the more than 100 US politics websites BuzzFeed News found being run out of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

...All the false news stories identified in BuzzFeed News’ analysis came from either fake news websites that only publish hoaxes or from hyperpartisan websites that present themselves as publishing real news. The research turned up only one viral false election story from a hyperpartisan left-wing site. The story from Winning Democrats claimed Ireland was accepting anti-Trump “refugees” from the US. It received over 810,000 Facebook engagements, and was debunked by an Irish publication. (There was also one post from an LGBTQ site that used a false quote from Trump in its headline.)


Now, that leads to another point - WTF - Macedonia? The other point it found was these sites were overwelmingly pro-Trump. What interest or knowledge does a small town in Macedonia (and a large number of those sites are run out of one town) have in American Politics?

Back to the Silverman interview on Fresh Air.

The Guardian months earlier had pointed to over a hundred websites about U.S. politics in this small town of Veles. So we did our own research and we turned up a number of 140 sites...And as I filled out the spreadsheet it became very clear that they were overwhelmingly pro-Trump. And as I visited the websites and read their content, I saw that a lot of the stuff that they were pushing was misleading, was to the extreme of partisanship and also occasionally was false. And so we dug in even more and realized that among the top shared articles from, you know, these range of sites, the majority of, like, the top five were actually completely false. So at that point, once we understood the content that they were publishing and how many there were, we really wanted to understand so who are the people behind these sites?

These sites came out of a Veles, a town in Macedonia. The owners were mostly young people - teens and early twenties, and college students. They weren't driven by ideology but by econonics. They could earn money directing traffic to their sites through Google AdSense and they were "using Facebook to drive the traffic to the websites where they had ads from Google and where they would earn money from that traffic" They don't create the content - they find it elsewhere, but they copy it and proliferate it.



The article goes into a lot more, including what should be done or shouldn't be done to combat it, but this statement was particularly compelling because we're all susceptable to it:

Silverman:
We shouldn't think of this as just being something for people who are very partisan. We love to hear things that confirm what we think and what we feel and what we already believe. It's - it makes us feel good to get information that aligns with what we already believe or what we want to hear.

And on the other side of that is when we're confronted with information that contradicts what we think and what we feel, the reaction isn't to kind of sit back and consider it. The reaction is often to double down on our existing beliefs. So if you're feeding people information that basically just tells them what they want to hear, they're probably going to react strongly to that. And the other layer that these pages are very good at is they bring in emotion into it, anger or hate or surprise or, you know, joy. And so if you combine information that aligns with their beliefs, if you can make it something that strikes an emotion in them, then that gets them to react.
 
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You keep parroting the same bullshit, and it keeps getting ridiculed and refuted.

Get a a new fucking record bed wetter.

 
Fake news isn't the media "getting it wrong".
Fake news isn't making a mistake and printing a retraction.
Fake news isn't making wrong predictions.

All of the above are part and parcel of the media business.

Fake news is a story that is completely false.

What is interesting isn't that it's something new, it isn't, but social media has given it an engine and the mainstream public doesn't seem to have the tools to untangle truth from fiction yet. The media is also behind the ball in taking responsibility, fact checking before a story is passed on and also - taking fake news to task and dissecting the story. The reason fake news has become such a player recently may be as simple as economics (earning money through ad click revenue) combined with the rather lawless playing field of social media and the lack of will to factcheck material that confirms with one's own preconceptions or bias.

What's interesting about fake news however, is not the story itself but what lies beneath the surface....

Craig Silverman was interviewed on Fresh Air this evening.
Our guest, Craig Silverman, has spent much of his career as a journalist writing about issues of accuracy in media. He wrote a column for the Poynter Institute called Regret the Error and later a book of the same name on the harm done by erroneous reporting. He also launched a web-based startup called Emergent devoted to crowdsourcing the fact-checking of fake news.


He's now the media editor for the website BuzzFeed, and he spent much of this year writing about fake news, rumors and conspiracy theories that gained currency in the presidential campaign - where they came from, why they got so much engagement on social media and what should be done to reduce their impact on public discourse.
Fascinating interview. Some of the main points covered:

Fake election news outperformed real news sites in social media such as facebook - significantly so 3 months and closer to election. 9 months and 6 months prior to the election, real news sites performed better. What is interesting is he provides the data: BuzzFeed News: Election content engagement and everyone of those fake news articles was a thread in Politics here on USMB. Less then half of the real news articles were.


Here's How Fake Election News Outperformed Real Election News On Facebook
Of the 20 top-performing false election stories identified in the analysis, all but three were overtly pro-Donald Trump or anti-Hillary Clinton. Two of the biggest false hits were a story claiming Clinton sold weapons to ISIS and a hoax claiming the pope endorsed Trump, which the site removed after publication of this article. The only viral false stories during the final three months that were arguably against Trump’s interests were a false quote from Mike Pence about Michelle Obama, a false report that Ireland was accepting American “refugees” fleeing Trump, and a hoax claiming RuPaul said he was groped by Trump.


...These developments follow a study by BuzzFeed News that revealed hyperpartisan Facebook pages and their websites were publishing false or misleading content at an alarming rate — and generating significant Facebook engagement in the process. The same was true for the more than 100 US politics websites BuzzFeed News found being run out of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

...All the false news stories identified in BuzzFeed News’ analysis came from either fake news websites that only publish hoaxes or from hyperpartisan websites that present themselves as publishing real news. The research turned up only one viral false election story from a hyperpartisan left-wing site. The story from Winning Democrats claimed Ireland was accepting anti-Trump “refugees” from the US. It received over 810,000 Facebook engagements, and was debunked by an Irish publication. (There was also one post from an LGBTQ site that used a false quote from Trump in its headline.)


Now, that leads to another point - WTF - Macedonia? The other point it found was these sites were overwelmingly pro-Trump. What interest or knowledge does a small town in Macedonia (and a large number of those sites are run out of one town) have in American Politics?

Back to the Silverman interview on Fresh Air.

The Guardian months earlier had pointed to over a hundred websites about U.S. politics in this small town of Veles. So we did our own research and we turned up a number of 140 sites...And as I filled out the spreadsheet it became very clear that they were overwhelmingly pro-Trump. And as I visited the websites and read their content, I saw that a lot of the stuff that they were pushing was misleading, was to the extreme of partisanship and also occasionally was false. And so we dug in even more and realized that among the top shared articles from, you know, these range of sites, the majority of, like, the top five were actually completely false. So at that point, once we understood the content that they were publishing and how many there were, we really wanted to understand so who are the people behind these sites?

These sites came out of a Veles, a town in Macedonia. The owners were mostly young people - teens and early twenties, and college students. They weren't driven by ideology but by econonics. They could earn money directing traffic to their sites through Google AdSense and they were "using Facebook to drive the traffic to the websites where they had ads from Google and where they would earn money from that traffic" They don't create the content - they find it elsewhere, but they copy it and proliferate it.



The article goes into a lot more, including what should be done or shouldn't be done to combat it, but this statement was particularly compelling because we're all susceptable to it:

Silverman:
We shouldn't think of this as just being something for people who are very partisan. We love to hear things that confirm what we think and what we feel and what we already believe. It's - it makes us feel good to get information that aligns with what we already believe or what we want to hear.

And on the other side of that is when we're confronted with information that contradicts what we think and what we feel, the reaction isn't to kind of sit back and consider it. The reaction is often to double down on our existing beliefs. So if you're feeding people information that basically just tells them what they want to hear, they're probably going to react strongly to that. And the other layer that these pages are very good at is they bring in emotion into it, anger or hate or surprise or, you know, joy. And so if you combine information that aligns with their beliefs, if you can make it something that strikes an emotion in them, then that gets them to react.


Zackly - this is simple advertising psychology. Emotional manipulation. The Macedonians are doing the same thing TV has always done--- capture attention, rake in money for it. Whatever collateral damage done is just --- somebody else's problem. Advertising is inherently self-centred and dishonest.

As Rump University told its fraudsters, "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions — you sell feelings”. And the gullible suck it up to such a degree that somebody actually posted the story of three million Amish mobilizing to vote for Rump, oblivious to how they were getting played.

It's hard to believe. Critical thinking seems to be a lost art. :(
 
Fake news isn't the media "getting it wrong".
Fake news isn't making a mistake and printing a retraction.
Fake news isn't making wrong predictions.
Depends on the intent I would think.
 
Mmm. How do you label the media co ordinating with a political party to plant news items that turn out to be false such as the situation with Michelle Fields and the lie that Corey almost dragged her down?

Or Miss Universe aka Miss Piggy who's story was blown out of the water but Hillary used her in the campaign and the very next day Miss Universe was on every talk show going.

Or how about the fake groping stories that the media was all over. Everyone of those women got busted.

How about the lying story of the Trump raping the 13 year old girl?

Any retractions? Any apologies? Only one I know of was the Daily Mail retracting the story that Melania had acted as an escort and apologized.
 
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Fake news isn't the media "getting it wrong".
Fake news isn't making a mistake and printing a retraction.
Fake news isn't making wrong predictions.
Depends on the intent I would think.

Intent is harder to judge objectively.
Exactly, how can you know the motivation of the author to say his/her intent was not to deceive?

You can make some educated guesses, in some cases. If they print retractions, then I would guess the intent wasn't to decieve. But I think it's better to just look the evidence - is a story completely false or majorly false?
 
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Fake news is a story that is completely false.

You mean like, "Hands in the air, don't shoot?"

Possibly, but I'm not sure. I haven't followed that story closely.

How would you classify "The Daily Show?" Because, the network itself calls it a "fake news show" and Jon Stewart is acclaimed as "America's Favorite Fake Newsman!" But a recent poll found that something like 12% of online Americans say they get their news from The Daily Show. 45% of Liberals say they trust The Daily Show.

Can't give an opinion there either because I don't watch it.
 
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Mmm. How do you label the media co ordinating with a political party to plant news items that turn out to be false such as the situation with Michelle Fields and the lie that Corey almost dragged her down?

WAS it a lie? Evidence seems to support it. I wouldn't call it "false news". Contestable maybe, but not false news.

Or Miss Universe aka Miss Piggy who's story was blown out of the water but Hillary used her in the campaign and the very next day Miss Universe was on every talk show going.

Again, not false news. Even if Miss Universe (and I don't know why you have to demean her with "Miss Piggy" simply because she had the audacity to speak out against the Donald) - falsified her claim, that would make HER a liar, but the news story about her claim isn't false.

Or how about the fake groping stories that the media was all over. Everyone of those women got busted.
Who says they are fake? Or got busted? At this point - the best you can say is he said/she said. I'll point out - you believed all of Clinton's accusers, right?

How about the lying story of the Trump raping the 13 year old girl?

Still not a fake news story. Whether or not it happened is unverified. The lawsuit occurred. Hasn't gone to court. The events are true: a girl "claimed" she was raped by Trump. That is true. Was she? We don't know.

Any retractions? Any apologies? Only one I know of was the Daily Mail retracting the story that Melania had acted as an escort and apologized.

At this point, nothing has been disproven in the above, that needs a retraction. For example, the MSM stories usually make it clear that the women are claiming that Trump did X,Y and Z. Not that he DID it.
 
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Fake news is a story that is completely false.

Wrong. The best lies contain a little truth.

What "little truth" is in the Birther story?
Or the story that Megyn Kelly was fired after endorsing Clinton? (she wasn't, Fox news offered her over 20 million to remain with the network).
Or Elizabeth Warren endorses Bernie Sanders? (that one put egg on the face of NYT)
 
Fake news is a story that is completely false.

Wrong. The best lies contain a little truth.

What "little truth" is in the Birther story?
Or the story that Megyn Kelly was fired after endorsing Clinton? (she wasn't, Fox news offered her over 20 million to remain with the network).
Or Elizabeth Warren endorses Bernie Sanders? (that one put egg on the face of NYT)

Which of those came from the Republican Party?
 
Fake news is a story that is completely false.

You mean like, "Hands in the air, don't shoot?"

How would you classify "The Daily Show?" Because, the network itself calls it a "fake news show" and Jon Stewart is acclaimed as "America's Favorite Fake Newsman!" But a recent poll found that something like 12% of online Americans say they get their news from The Daily Show. 45% of Liberals say they trust The Daily Show.

That's not news or purported news --- that's satire.

Duh.
 
Or how about the fake groping stories that the media was all over. Everyone of those women got busted.

That ^^ is an example of fake news right there.

Or since we're on a message board, more correctly an internet myth. There's a whole lotta wags on this site, and a couple in this thread already, who think they can just make it up.
 
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Fake news is a story that is completely false.

Wrong. The best lies contain a little truth.

What "little truth" is in the Birther story?
Or the story that Megyn Kelly was fired after endorsing Clinton? (she wasn't, Fox news offered her over 20 million to remain with the network).
Or Elizabeth Warren endorses Bernie Sanders? (that one put egg on the face of NYT)

Which of those came from the Republican Party?

The issue isn't really whether it came from a party or not - I'm not sure any of them can be traced to "parties". None of them came from the DNC either.

The Birther story:
No, Clinton didn't start the birther thing. This guy did.

The Megyn Kelly story:
BREAKING: Fox News Exposes Traitor Megyn Kelly, Kicks Her Out For Backing Hillary – Conservative 101

Elizabeth Warren story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/u...elizabeth-warren-endorsed-bernie-sanders.html
 
Fake news is a story that is completely false.

You mean like, "Hands in the air, don't shoot?"

Possibly, but I'm not sure. I haven't followed that story closely.

How would you classify "The Daily Show?" Because, the network itself calls it a "fake news show" and Jon Stewart is acclaimed as "America's Favorite Fake Newsman!" But a recent poll found that something like 12% of online Americans say they get their news from The Daily Show. 45% of Liberals say they trust The Daily Show.

Can't give an opinion there either because I don't watch it.

So you know nothing about the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri, which dominated the news for several months? Following the shooting, the black community promoted a claim that he had his hands in the ear yelling "don't shoot" when he was shot by police. This sparked rioting and protests for weeks and major news outlets promoted the "hands in the air, don't shoot" narrative, going so far as to begin a symbolic gesturing that swept the liberal media like a wildfire. The US Dept of Justice eventually concluded his hands were not in the air and he never yelled "don't shoot," and that he was, in fact, killed in self defense. To this day, there are still people who believe the FAKE news.

The Daily Show is intended to be political satire from a distinctly liberal viewpoint. Much like Saturday Night Live's segment "Weekend Update" where news items are parodied. Most non-retarded thinking adults understand it is parody and satire. Like The Onion.
 

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