Facts about the Jewish Nation

[dread]

1. Israel became a state circa 1030 B.C., more than two millennia before Islam.

2. Arabs from Israel first began to be called “Palestinians” in 1967 by Yasser Arafat and other Arab leaders, two decades after modern Israeli statehood.

3. After conquering the land in about 1250 B.C., Jews ruled it for more than 1,300 years and have maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years.

4. For over 3,000 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.

5. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur’an.

6. King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it.

7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.

8. In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence—some 70% of them fled without ever being ordered by Israel to leave, most of those without ever having seen an Israeli soldier.

9. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.

10. Some 650,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while about 850,000 Jews were forced to leave Muslim countries.

11. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees from Palestine were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War II, they are the only group to have never integrated with their coreligionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel, a country no larger than New Jersey.

12. There are 22 Arab countries (with 800 times the land mass of Israel), not counting the Palestinian territories. There is only one Jewish state. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.

13. The Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel has agreed under several proposals to cede most of the West Bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian Authority, and even supported the arming of its police force after the Oslo Accords in 1993.

14. During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths and maintained in good order at Israel’s expense.

15. Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 General Assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel;

16. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the Temple Mount and Western Wall

 

[The_Hammer]

Territorial claims that are several thousand years old don't mean jack diddly. With that same logic, native americans should get the whole continent from whitey.

Also using that same logic, the Irish shouldn't have their north taken from them either but you didn't see the brits pulling out of Ulster did you?

In addition, an independent Jewish state ended somewhere between 607BCE and 587 BCE depending on whether you trust biblical or secular sources. From then on they were in captivity and when the persians let them back in, they were a subject nation, ie not sovereign and had to conform to persian rule as lax as it was. They were then subject to the greeks and then the romans, so lets get this idea of them being independent for over almosts 3000 years out of our heads. In addition, lets not forget that the kingdom split in half and the people whom we modernly call "Jews" are the descendants primarily of the southern kingdom of judea, which consisted of the tribes of judah, levi, and benjamin.

Second. It's entirely right to call Arabs living in Palestine, Palestinians. Just like it makes sense to call anyone who lives in New York, a New Yorker. The only reason a jewish individual living in palestine wouldn't be called a palestininan is probably because the jews as a group, no matter what country they've been in, have always refered to themselves as jews.

After the second destruction of jerusalem by the romans, Jewish people were largely forced out of the territory. Though some remained, they weren't the strong presence there that they had been. Arabs established themselves in the region and held on to it until modern times.

Jewish people have only recently returned to the region en masse and in such a way to have a majority presence.

 

[Shogun]

OH, Im sorry.. was this zionist propaganda supposed to validate something?


I mean, besides giving John Hagee and the rest of the zionists raging hardons and a mouth for war?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Territorial claims that are several thousand years old don't mean jack diddly. With that same logic, native americans should get the whole continent from whitey.

Also using that same logic, the Irish shouldn't have their north taken from them either but you didn't see the brits pulling out of Ulster did you?

In addition, an independent Jewish state ended somewhere between 607BCE and 587 BCE depending on whether you trust biblical or secular sources. From then on they were in captivity and when the persians let them back in, they were a subject nation, ie not sovereign and had to conform to persian rule as lax as it was. They were then subject to the greeks and then the romans, so lets get this idea of them being independent for over almosts 3000 years out of our heads. In addition, lets not forget that the kingdom split in half and the people whom we modernly call "Jews" are the descendants primarily of the southern kingdom of judea, which consisted of the tribes of judah, levi, and benjamin.

Second. It's entirely right to call Arabs living in Palestine, Palestinians. Just like it makes sense to call anyone who lives in New York, a New Yorker. The only reason a jewish individual living in palestine wouldn't be called a palestininan is probably because the jews as a group, no matter what country they've been in, have always refered to themselves as jews.

After the second destruction of jerusalem by the romans, Jewish people were largely forced out of the territory. Though some remained, they weren't the strong presence there that they had been. Arabs established themselves in the region and held on to it until modern times.

Jewish people have only recently returned to the region en masse and in such a way to have a majority presence.

Well when the League of Nations allowed the separation of the Territory controlled by the British and the UN accepted that old promise NO one had a Government there either, so claiming the Arabs owned it is JUST as idiotic. But thanks for playing.

 

[nibor]

1. Israel became a state circa 1030 B.C., more than two millennia before Islam.

2. Arabs from Israel first began to be called “Palestinians” in 1967 by Yasser Arafat and other Arab leaders, two decades after modern Israeli statehood.

3. After conquering the land in about 1250 B.C., Jews ruled it for more than 1,300 years and have maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years.

4. For over 3,000 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.

5. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur’an.

6. King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it.

7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.

8. In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence—some 70% of them fled without ever being ordered by Israel to leave, most of those without ever having seen an Israeli soldier.

9. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.

10. Some 650,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while about 850,000 Jews were forced to leave Muslim countries.

11. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees from Palestine were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War II, they are the only group to have never integrated with their coreligionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel, a country no larger than New Jersey.

12. There are 22 Arab countries (with 800 times the land mass of Israel), not counting the Palestinian territories. There is only one Jewish state. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.

13. The Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel has agreed under several proposals to cede most of the West Bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian Authority, and even supported the arming of its police force after the Oslo Accords in 1993.

14. During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths and maintained in good order at Israel’s expense.

15. Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 General Assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel;

16. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the Temple Mount and Western Wall

Actually I have world atlases from the thirties and forties that state the country as Palestine.........................

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Actually I have world atlases from the thirties and forties that state the country as Palestine.........................

It was NOT a country. It was a mandate controlled by Britain. A mandate that the British agreed would be split between Arab and Jew. And both the League of Nations and the UN agreed.

The Arabs refused to form a Government , the Jews chose to make one.

 

[jillian]

Actually I have world atlases from the thirties and forties that state the country as Palestine.........................

Well, d'uh...that's because that's what the Brits called it when it was part of their little empire.

 

[Dr Grump]

OH, Im sorry.. was this zionist propaganda supposed to validate something?


I mean, besides giving John Hagee and the rest of the zionists raging hardons and a mouth for war?

I am so glad to see, finally, that you used your superior intellect to dispute - point by point - the little fact sheet presented to you.

 

[The_Hammer]

Well when the League of Nations allowed the separation of the Territory controlled by the British and the UN accepted that old promise NO one had a Government there either, so claiming the Arabs owned it is JUST as idiotic. But thanks for playing.

I didn't say that they had a government there. I said they had established themselves in the region and held on to it. They were essentially the majority presence.

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

Territorial claims that are several thousand years old don't mean jack diddly. With that same logic, native americans should get the whole continent from whitey.

Also using that same logic, the Irish shouldn't have their north taken from them either but you didn't see the brits pulling out of Ulster did you?

In addition, an independent Jewish state ended somewhere between 607BCE and 587 BCE depending on whether you trust biblical or secular sources. From then on they were in captivity and when the persians let them back in, they were a subject nation, ie not sovereign and had to conform to persian rule as lax as it was. They were then subject to the greeks and then the romans, so lets get this idea of them being independent for over almosts 3000 years out of our heads. In addition, lets not forget that the kingdom split in half and the people whom we modernly call "Jews" are the descendants primarily of the southern kingdom of judea, which consisted of the tribes of judah, levi, and benjamin.

Second. It's entirely right to call Arabs living in Palestine, Palestinians. Just like it makes sense to call anyone who lives in New York, a New Yorker. The only reason a jewish individual living in palestine wouldn't be called a palestininan is probably because the jews as a group, no matter what country they've been in, have always refered to themselves as jews.

After the second destruction of jerusalem by the romans, Jewish people were largely forced out of the territory. Though some remained, they weren't the strong presence there that they had been. Arabs established themselves in the region and held on to it until modern times.

Jewish people have only recently returned to the region en masse and in such a way to have a majority presence.

A well stated answer, thanks.

 

[Swamp Fox]

Then, by that logic, Israel still gets the right to exist because they're there now and have whipped all comers.

 

[Gungnir]

1. Israel became a state circa 1030 B.C., more than two millennia before Islam.

Israel, as ruled by the descendants of Isaac which rigidly rejected the claimants of their kin who interbred with the locals. This later split into Israel and Judea each of which was destroyed and conquered. By your arguments the Assyrian Christian Church has more right to that country than the Palestinian Arabs.

Find me a full blooded descendant of Isaac while you are at it.

2. Arabs from Israel first began to be called “Palestinians” in 1967 by Yasser Arafat and other Arab leaders, two decades after modern Israeli statehood.

Why not just call them Saracens or Levanteens?

3. After conquering the land in about 1250 B.C., Jews ruled it for more than 1,300 years and have maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years.

And all the other -istines, -ites, and -eans that have historically lived there even after Israel abandonned the country for greener pasteurs in Egypt?

5. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur’an.

Ishmael was born before Jerusalem was built. Mohammedians originally prayed in the direction of Jerusalem.

7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.

Humans have only one head and one arse, that is anatomy!

8. In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence—some 70% of them fled without ever being ordered by Israel to leave, most of those without ever having seen an Israeli soldier.

Palestine had been in civil war since before World War 2; Jews killing Arabs, Muslims killing Jews; no one gets out free of blood.

9. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.

A lot of Russian Jews left because of pogroms, does that give them a claim to New York City as a Jewish State?

12. There are 22 Arab countries (with 800 times the land mass of Israel), not counting the Palestinian territories.

Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and possibly the Sudan. Which am I missing? I know England is Pakistani...

There are a whole slew of European countries, don't the Native Americans deserve some chunk of North America? Don't the Hawaiians deserve Hawaii?

How much of that landmass is unarable land?

There is only one Jewish state.

The last country that had an explicit franchisement of one people was the South African Republic. The last country that had an explicit franchisement of one people and was populated by a majority of one people was NSDAP Germany. Most people do not respond too well to either of those, why should Jewish Israel get a pass?

Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.

The Six Day War? There is nothing wrong with starting a war for your country's survival either -- so long as YOU win.

13. The Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel has agreed under several proposals to cede most of the West Bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian Authority, and even supported the arming of its police force after the Oslo Accords in 1993.

So you want us to support a state that willingly jeopordizes the security of its own population for the benefit of international popularity?

After the Gaza Settlements withdraw, the territory was used for rocketeering. There is historical precedence.

Territorial claims that are several thousand years old don't mean jack diddly.

Agreed.

With that same logic, native americans should get the whole continent from whitey.

See above. Find me some pure blooded descendants of the first Bering Sea Migration while you are at it. They are probably only found in the Amazon actually.

...and when you do, have them go to court against the nearest ancestors of the Kinnewick people.

Also using that same logic, the Irish shouldn't have their north taken from them either but you didn't see the brits pulling out of Ulster did you?

Tell the Welsh to go complain about Mercian, Frisian, Jutish, Anglican, Saxon, and Norman oppression... see where that gets them. And while we are at this game (it is fun) lets start finding any descendants of the Neanderthals and the Erecti!

Ahh, stupidity, what I do best.

Arabs established themselves in the region and held on to it until modern times.

Right, for a millenium on the Muslim Arabs have dominated the region. Though I would say the European Jewish migration did a good deal more with the region in a few decades than the Arabs did for a few centuries. Though when you are getting boat loads of "reparation" money, you can afford to do a lot.

I mean, besides giving John Hagee and the rest of the zionists raging hardons and a mouth for war?

Ditto.

Then, by that logic, Israel still gets the right to exist because they're there now and have whipped all comers.

Absolutely.

By the way, is your username taken from a Revolutionary War hero?

 

[William Joyce]

17. It's a bunch of whiny, pushy, self-absorbed, self-pitying, ugly human annoyances who get white gentiles to do all their military heavy lifting, guilt the U.S., Germany, Britain and France into funding them, and haven't produced a damn thing except worldwide violence and bloodshed.

 

[jillian]

What a sicko you are. I thought people like you died out.

Pity that you haven't ....

But do tell us what you've produced other than a lot of whining that you're not somehow able to lord yourself over the rest of us because you were born lily white. Wonder how many slaves' descendents are running around with your "pure" blood.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What a sicko you are. I thought people like you died out.

Pity that you haven't ....

But do tell us what you've produced other than a lot of whining that you're not somehow able to lord yourself over the rest of us because you were born lily white. Wonder how many slaves' descendents are running around with your "pure" blood.

Actually given the history of the US, I would require Joyce to provide a detailed History of his ancestory going back to Europe and depending on where in Europe that goes I would require more history to prove no "tainted" blood from there. I mean he keeps claiming he is white, prove it.

 

[jillian]

Actually given the history of the US, I would require Joyce to provide a detailed History of his ancestory going back to Europe and depending on where in Europe that goes I would require more history to prove no "tainted" blood from there. I mean he keeps claiming he is white, prove it.

I agree... I think the pathetic little weenie should put up or shut up.

 

[Gungnir]

All blood is pure blood.

What else could blood be? Concrete mix?

 

[jillian]

All blood is pure blood.

What else could blood be? Concrete mix?

WJ would disagree with you about all blood being "pure".

 

[roomy]

The original post was well researched and written whether you agree with it or not, some of the subsequent non responses bordered on the desperate, I give the op rep

 

[roomy]

Actually given the history of the US, I would require Joyce to provide a detailed History of his ancestory going back to Europe and depending on where in Europe that goes I would require more history to prove no "tainted" blood from there. I mean he keeps claiming he is white, prove it.

My sentiment exactly Guns, I dare bet the fucking moron has coloured blood coursing through his blood, much like the rest of us ... whether we realise it or not.