Fact is fact, Tea Partiers are extremists

[AllieBaba]

Oh dude. Are you really saying that Tea Partiers don't think he's a Muslim? Really? Seriously?

You dont remember everyone trying to play "gotcha" with the Stephanopolous interview where he talks about "my faith" and everyone took that out of context as he's a Muslim?

You dont remember that whacky YouTube video of the redneck crack lady on the ATV calling him a Muslim and an A-RAB?

To this there's a large contingent that think he's a Muslim.

Now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your argument actually is that you cant prove TeaPartiers in specific, as opposed to simply conservatives (broader group) think he's a Muslim. To which I say, I'm sure you could find some, although I doubt it can be called a platform in their party.

There was a redneck crack lady on an ATV at a tea party?

I missed that one.

The tea party participants don't belong to "The Tea Party". There is no "Tea Party". Tea PARTIES are gatherings.

 

[Dante]

If you wish to imply that referencing a large group of Americans that were against the policies of a President is nonsense when comparing to a large group of Americans that are against the policies of a President, then I stand corrected.

You are NOT better than that.

My mistake. I apologize.

I am not comparing, you are---and the comparison is weak within the context of the argument I make.

the comparison is outside of the context of the argument. The argument is not about oppostition to polices. The argument is about extreme views in opposition.

No sir. You took it the way you wanted to take it, in an effort to avoid my rebuttle.

My comparison was to your collage (sp?).

The tea party movement, by no means is represented by your collage (sp?).

If it were, you would not need to make a collage (sp?).

You would only need to use a wide shot photo of one of the gatherings.

Your silly use of a collage (sp.) may work with partisan fools. It will not work with me.

A collage is by definition an opinion. Nowhere is it to be seen as evidence of fact. it is anecdotal evidence.

My collage is backed up by the statements and stated beliefs, as well as the denials of Tea Party attendees---on what exactly they are about.

btw, you seem a bit miffed and put out by an artistic expression of an opinion. maybe you need to start taking yourself so seriously. It is clouding your perception(s).

 

[Dante]

Oh dude. Are you really saying that Tea Partiers don't think he's a Muslim? Really? Seriously?

You dont remember everyone trying to play "gotcha" with the Stephanopolous interview where he talks about "my faith" and everyone took that out of context as he's a Muslim?

You dont remember that whacky YouTube video of the redneck crack lady on the ATV calling him a Muslim and an A-RAB?

To this there's a large contingent that think he's a Muslim.

Now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your argument actually is that you cant prove TeaPartiers in specific, as opposed to simply conservatives (broader group) think he's a Muslim. To which I say, I'm sure you could find some, although I doubt it can be called a platform in their party.

There was a redneck crack lady on an ATV at a tea party?

I missed that one.

The tea party participants don't belong to "The Tea Party". There is no "Tea Party". Tea PARTIES are gatherings.

exactly, a gathering of extremists, misfits and misanthropic troglodytes.

..

we use the term Tea Party, because the people who organized these gatherings and who have supplied material as well as other support, refer to a Tea Party.

 

[beowolfe]

Really?

Please provide a link to tea party members saying Obama's a Muslim.

Lying sack of shit.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtK_LcsZETk]YouTube - Teabaggers and Minutemen conspriacy theory ." Obama was born in Kenya and he is a Muslim" .[/ame]

Try this one.

 

[Jarhead]

I am not comparing, you are---and the comparison is weak within the context of the argument I make.

the comparison is outside of the context of the argument. The argument is not about oppostition to polices. The argument is about extreme views in opposition.

No sir. You took it the way you wanted to take it, in an effort to avoid my rebuttle.

My comparison was to your collage (sp?).

The tea party movement, by no means is represented by your collage (sp?).

If it were, you would not need to make a collage (sp?).

You would only need to use a wide shot photo of one of the gatherings.

Your silly use of a collage (sp.) may work with partisan fools. It will not work with me.

A collage is by definition an opinion. Nowhere is it to be seen as evidence of fact. it is anecdotal evidence.

My collage is backed up by the statements and stated beliefs, as well as the denials of Tea Party attendees---on what exactly they are about.

btw, you seem a bit miffed and put out by an artistic expression of an opinion. maybe you need to start taking yourself so seriously. It is clouding your perception(s).

Ahh. So it seems that you now feel the need to question my credibility. I appreciate that. It means I backed you in a corner.

Now, just for record purposes:

If you recall, (I know it has been several posts now), you used the collage as your proof of "fact" in a rebuttle to my post meant to remind all that such perception of the tea party movement is "opinion".

So, interestingly, you supported my original post as you tried to minimize my credibility.

I like it when my opponenet uses my sentiments to debate with me. It makes for an easy win.

Reminds me of an old Bugs Bunny / Daffy Duck dialogue.

 

[Dante]

Really?

Please provide a link to tea party members saying Obama's a Muslim.

Lying sack of shit.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtK_LcsZETk]YouTube - Teabaggers and Minutemen conspriacy theory ." Obama was born in Kenya and he is a Muslim" .[/ame]

Try this one.

there were quite a few who took the position of ali-fuckface. they will ignore the proof. but thanks for being so reasonable.

 

[Dante]

No sir. You took it the way you wanted to take it, in an effort to avoid my rebuttle.

My comparison was to your collage (sp?).

The tea party movement, by no means is represented by your collage (sp?).

If it were, you would not need to make a collage (sp?).

You would only need to use a wide shot photo of one of the gatherings.

Your silly use of a collage (sp.) may work with partisan fools. It will not work with me.

A collage is by definition an opinion. Nowhere is it to be seen as evidence of fact. it is anecdotal evidence.

My collage is backed up by the statements and stated beliefs, as well as the denials of Tea Party attendees---on what exactly they are about.

btw, you seem a bit miffed and put out by an artistic expression of an opinion. maybe you need to start taking yourself so seriously. It is clouding your perception(s).

Ahh. So it seems that you now feel the need to question my credibility. I appreciate that. It means I backed you in a corner.

Now, just for record purposes:

If you recall, (I know it has been several posts now), you used the collage as your proof of "fact" in a rebuttle to my post meant to remind all that such perception of the tea party movement is "opinion".

So, interestingly, you supported my original post as you tried to minimize my credibility.

I like it when my opponenet[sic] uses my sentiments to debate with me. It makes for an easy win.

Reminds me of an old Bugs Bunny / Daffy Duck dialogue.

I never supported your original post.

You have focused on the collage and ignored my posted words: Fact:
Tea Partiers are extremists. The collage was, added flavor to a meal served on a platter.

---

your sophomoric attempt would be amusing if it wasn't so typical of USMB Right Wing Idiocy.

the collage, was used as anecdotal evidence.

your sensitivity about your credibility is an issue that should be addressed with a professional therapist and not on an open message board.

 

[AllieBaba]

What's my position, liar?

 

[Jarhead]

Really?

Please provide a link to tea party members saying Obama's a Muslim.

Lying sack of shit.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtK_LcsZETk]YouTube - Teabaggers and Minutemen conspriacy theory ." Obama was born in Kenya and he is a Muslim" .[/ame]

Try this one.

teher were quite a few who took the position of ali-fuckface. they will ignore the proof. but thanks for being so reasonable.

There was a gentleman who killed in cold blood, a poor elderly man sitting on his lawn chair across the street from an abortion clinic. The man that was shot was quietly sitting there as he held "pro life" sign.

The murderer admitted that he was part of the abortion rights movement.

Are you pro abortion rights? If yes, should I then assume you are one that may murder?

I am neither. A woman can do what she wants to do, but I would never support her doing it; but likewise, I would never fight for her losing her right to do what she wishes.

SO then are you saying that I, too, am a suspect of a possible murder in the future?

Your opinion is your opinion. You are entitled to it. Your attempt to rationalize it has too many holes in it for me to go along with it. So call me a Jar-f*ckface if you wish.

Make a better case and maybe I will agree.

 

[Jarhead]

A collage is by definition an opinion. Nowhere is it to be seen as evidence of fact. it is anecdotal evidence.

My collage is backed up by the statements and stated beliefs, as well as the denials of Tea Party attendees---on what exactly they are about.

btw, you seem a bit miffed and put out by an artistic expression of an opinion. maybe you need to start taking yourself so seriously. It is clouding your perception(s).

Ahh. So it seems that you now feel the need to question my credibility. I appreciate that. It means I backed you in a corner.

Now, just for record purposes:

If you recall, (I know it has been several posts now), you used the collage as your proof of "fact" in a rebuttle to my post meant to remind all that such perception of the tea party movement is "opinion".

So, interestingly, you supported my original post as you tried to minimize my credibility.

I like it when my opponenet[sic] uses my sentiments to debate with me. It makes for an easy win.

Reminds me of an old Bugs Bunny / Daffy Duck dialogue.

I never supported your original post.

You have focused on the collage and ignored my posted words: Fact:
Tea Partiers are extremists. The collage was, added flavor to a meal served on a platter.

---

your sophomoric attempt would be amusing if it wasn't so typical of USMB Right Wing Idiocy.

the collage, was used as anecdotal evidence.

your sensitivity about your credibility is an issue that should be addressed with a professional therapist and not on an open message board.

I am so sorry. I backed you into a corner and youy are now squirming to a point where you dont know what to do.

You now deny your attempt to prove a fact? So you simply said it was a "fact" and added nothing more?

Hey, go for it.

You are not a worthy opponent. You make statements without supporting them; or you do support them and when such support is proven to be useless, you deny it was meant as support.

So we are back to you making statements without supporting them.

Either way, you are not a worthy opponent.

Love the right wing crap. Love it. I mean I really love it.

Go for it.

Cya.

 

[Dante]

YouTube - Teabaggers and Minutemen conspriacy theory ." Obama was born in Kenya and he is a Muslim" .

Try this one.

teher were quite a few who took the position of ali-fuckface. they will ignore the proof. but thanks for being so reasonable.

There was a gentleman who killed in cold blood, a poor elderly man sitting on his lawn chair across the street from an abortion clinic. The man that was shot was quietly sitting there as he held "pro life" sign.

The murderer admitted that he was part of the abortion rights movement.

Are you pro abortion rights? If yes, should I then assume you are one that may murder?

I am neither. A woman can do what she wants to do, but I would never support her doing it; but likewise, I would never fight for her losing her right to do what she wishes.

SO then are you saying that I, too, am a suspect of a possible murder in the future?

Your opinion is your opinion. You are entitled to it. Your attempt to rationalize it has too many holes in it for me to go along with it. So call me a Jar-f*ckface if you wish.

Make a better case and maybe I will agree.

First: The pro-choice people do not advocate or condone violence against anti-choice people. Leaders like Terry Randall have played hard and loose with words and reality:

George Tiller was a mass murderer. He routinely killed innocent children who were “viable.” For the unlearned, that means that they could live outside the womb on their own. He specialized in killing “handicapped” children whose parents decided that they were not fit to live. He even offered photographs of the dead children and baptisms for the victims that fell under his knife.

According to God’s laws, and the laws that govern how we protect the innocent in times of peace, George Tiller was one of the most evil men on the planet; every bit as vile as the Nazi war criminals who were hunted down, tried, and sentenced after they participated in the “legal” murder of the Jews that fell into their hands.

I write all of these words with surgical precision to shore up the more timid elements of the pro-life movement. Pro-life leaders are already falling over themselves to exclaim, “We are peaceful! We deplore this violence!”
.

Randall is an extremist..,,who is representative of many who fear to go where he has. He has tremendous support in the community of anti-abortion protesters. Their actions sentiments of him and others belie their words of shock and horror at violence.

 

[Jarhead]

teher were quite a few who took the position of ali-fuckface. they will ignore the proof. but thanks for being so reasonable.

There was a gentleman who killed in cold blood, a poor elderly man sitting on his lawn chair across the street from an abortion clinic. The man that was shot was quietly sitting there as he held "pro life" sign.

The murderer admitted that he was part of the abortion rights movement.

Are you pro abortion rights? If yes, should I then assume you are one that may murder?

I am neither. A woman can do what she wants to do, but I would never support her doing it; but likewise, I would never fight for her losing her right to do what she wishes.

SO then are you saying that I, too, am a suspect of a possible murder in the future?

Your opinion is your opinion. You are entitled to it. Your attempt to rationalize it has too many holes in it for me to go along with it. So call me a Jar-f*ckface if you wish.

Make a better case and maybe I will agree.

First: The pro-choice people do not advocate or condone violence against anti-choice people. Leaders like Terry Randall have played hard and loose with words and reality:

George Tiller was a mass murderer. He routinely killed innocent children who were “viable.” For the unlearned, that means that they could live outside the womb on their own. He specialized in killing “handicapped” children whose parents decided that they were not fit to live. He even offered photographs of the dead children and baptisms for the victims that fell under his knife.

According to God’s laws, and the laws that govern how we protect the innocent in times of peace, George Tiller was one of the most evil men on the planet; every bit as vile as the Nazi war criminals who were hunted down, tried, and sentenced after they participated in the “legal” murder of the Jews that fell into their hands.

I write all of these words with surgical precision to shore up the more timid elements of the pro-life movement. Pro-life leaders are already falling over themselves to exclaim, “We are peaceful! We deplore this violence!”
.

Randall is an extremist..,,who is representative of many who fear to go where he has. He has tremendous support in the community of anti-abortion protesters. Their actions sentiments of him and others belie their words of shock and horror at violence.

And the same can be said for the tea partyers. You and others simply refuse to realize it.

But thank you for the response.

We are now done. Time to move on. It was fun.

Hey. Have a great holiday.

 

[Dante]

Your opinion is your opinion. You are entitled to it. Your attempt to rationalize it has too many holes in it for me to go along with it. So call me a Jar-f*ckface if you wish.

Make a better case and maybe I will agree.

My opinion is based on observational data, anecdotal data, and the words and actions of attendees at the most prominent Tea Party rallies. These are major rallies organized, supported by and manipulated by high profile conservatives and Republicans.

When emotions are running high (as they were) during protests and rallies, it is difficult to cull exact meanings out of the cacophony of screams, shouts,and hysterics---along with taking in the meanings of the political protest signs and the body language of attendees during speeches, and during confrontations with counter-protesters and media---but---but...

but, it doesn't take a genius to deduce that the attendees at these high profile rallies of Tea Party rallies are not the norm. For me, not the norm here = extremism.

The level and expression of anger and frustration expressed by the attendees, at government in general, and at the President of the United States of America, in particular, was taken to a level that most rational and sane people would deem extreme.

I do not hate Obama or the government, and in that I represent the norm. Hating is not normal.

I did not vote for Obama, and in that I represent a view shared by many who attend the rallies. (This shouldn't have to be explained, but it shows I do not view all the views of the attendees as being the expressions of their extremism.)

I have no side except the side of reason and rational debate. Taking artistic expression, hyberbolic thread titles and such is not extreme when posting on anonymous internet message boards where most people are at best, odd.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

exactly, a gathering of extremists, misfits and misanthropic troglodytes.

When the tea partiers start behaving like this, get back to us.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

My opinion is based on observational data, anecdotal data, and the words and actions of attendees at the most prominent Tea Party rallies.

Your opinion is based on bias and emotional garbage.

but, it doesn't take a genius to deduce that the attendees at these high profile rallies of Tea Party rallies are not the norm. For me, not the norm here = extremism.

I guess the majority of Americans are "extreme" being they feel the tea partiers have a stronger grasp of the issues than Congress does.

I do not hate Obama or the government, and in that I represent the norm. Hating is not normal.

Sorry, Dr. Phil, but that's just bullshit. Hate is a normal emotion experienced and expressed by every man, woman, and child at one point or another.

I have no side except the side of reason and rational debate.

Get a load of this rational debate:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-l...publicans-and-tea-party-killing-children.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...tea-party-terrorist-arrested-3-20-2010-a.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/110382-biggest-right-wing-whiner-on-health-care.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-lame-zone/110411-right-wingers-and-gang-reps.html

Taking artistic expression, hyberbolic thread titles and such is not extreme when posting on anonymous internet message boards where most people are at best, odd.

You got the odd part down pretty well.

 

[Jarhead]

Your opinion is your opinion. You are entitled to it. Your attempt to rationalize it has too many holes in it for me to go along with it. So call me a Jar-f*ckface if you wish.

Make a better case and maybe I will agree.

My opinion is based on observational data, anecdotal data, and the words and actions of attendees at the most prominent Tea Party rallies. These are major rallies organized, supported by and manipulated by high profile conservatives and Republicans.

When emotions are running high (as they were) during protests and rallies, it is difficult to cull exact meanings out of the cacophony of screams, shouts,and hysterics---along with taking in the meanings of the political protest signs and the body language of attendees during speeches, and during confrontations with counter-protesters and media---but---but...

but, it doesn't take a genius to deduce that the attendees at these high profile rallies of Tea Party rallies are not the norm. For me, not the norm here = extremism.

The level and expression of anger and frustration expressed by the attendees, at government in general, and at the President of the United States of America, in particular, was taken to a level that most rational and sane people would deem extreme.

I do not hate Obama or the government, and in that I represent the norm. Hating is not normal.

I did not vote for Obama, and in that I represent a view shared by many who attend the rallies. (This shouldn't have to be explained, but it shows I do not view all the views of the attendees as being the expressions of their extremism.)

I have no side except the side of reason and rational debate. Taking artistic expression, hyberbolic thread titles and such is not extreme when posting on anonymous internet message boards where most people are at best, odd.

Attend one and get back to me. Stand on the sidelines if you are afraid of getting koodies.

You are making yourself look like an Huffington reading loon.

You should be embarrassed.

Heck, I can not believe what you wrote is what you base your opinion on.

Here it comes: I HAVE been to one. My FRIENDS have been there. I have VIDEO of them. I KNOW all about them.

Wow. You really should be embarrassed. You are coming across like an amateur.

 

[Dante]

Ahh. So it seems that you now feel the need to question my credibility. I appreciate that. It means I backed you in a corner.

Now, just for record purposes:

If you recall, (I know it has been several posts now), you used the collage as your proof of "fact" in a rebuttle to my post meant to remind all that such perception of the tea party movement is "opinion".

So, interestingly, you supported my original post as you tried to minimize my credibility.

I like it when my opponenet[sic] uses my sentiments to debate with me. It makes for an easy win.

Reminds me of an old Bugs Bunny / Daffy Duck dialogue.

I never supported your original post.

You have focused on the collage and ignored my posted words: Fact:
Tea Partiers are extremists. The collage was, added flavor to a meal served on a platter.

---

your sophomoric attempt would be amusing if it wasn't so typical of USMB Right Wing Idiocy.

the collage, was used as anecdotal evidence.

your sensitivity about your credibility is an issue that should be addressed with a professional therapist and not on an open message board.

I am so sorry. I backed you into a corner and youy are now squirming to a point where you dont know what to do.

You now deny your attempt to prove a fact? So you simply said it was a "fact" and added nothing more?

Hey, go for it.

You are not a worthy opponent. You make statements without supporting them; or you do support them and when such support is proven to be useless, you deny it was meant as support.

So we are back to you making statements without supporting them.

Either way, you are not a worthy opponent.

Love the right wing crap. Love it. I mean I really love it.

Go for it.

Cya.

It's amusing to see sophomoric idiots ask people to post as evidence to an argument , what is out there for all to see, as if they were grading college level essays.

Some claims are agreed upon/accepted by reasonable and rational people. The claim that the Tea Party protesters at the rallies are extreme, can only be denied and ignored if, one decides to agree with the rally attendees and so become personally invested.

Almost all political protests that were anti-Bus, or are anti-Obama, are extremist expressions. [Notice I am differentiating between protests and all rallies. Not all rallies are about protest--anti-____.]

The collage of signs and people are just an example of what was out there. Addressing how representative of the whole they were would not answer a question about the tactics and motives of the organizers and the attendees. One person/group with one agenda could bring more signs than people/groups with other agendas.

Tom Delay and others who organized rallies represent the extreme end of the conservative movement and the GOP.

 

[Dante]

Your opinion is your opinion. You are entitled to it. Your attempt to rationalize it has too many holes in it for me to go along with it. So call me a Jar-f*ckface if you wish.

Make a better case and maybe I will agree.

My opinion is based on observational data, anecdotal data, and the words and actions of attendees at the most prominent Tea Party rallies. These are major rallies organized, supported by and manipulated by high profile conservatives and Republicans.

When emotions are running high (as they were) during protests and rallies, it is difficult to cull exact meanings out of the cacophony of screams, shouts,and hysterics---along with taking in the meanings of the political protest signs and the body language of attendees during speeches, and during confrontations with counter-protesters and media---but---but...

but, it doesn't take a genius to deduce that the attendees at these high profile rallies of Tea Party rallies are not the norm. For me, not the norm here = extremism.

The level and expression of anger and frustration expressed by the attendees, at government in general, and at the President of the United States of America, in particular, was taken to a level that most rational and sane people would deem extreme.

I do not hate Obama or the government, and in that I represent the norm. Hating is not normal.

I did not vote for Obama, and in that I represent a view shared by many who attend the rallies. (This shouldn't have to be explained, but it shows I do not view all the views of the attendees as being the expressions of their extremism.)

I have no side except the side of reason and rational debate. Taking artistic expression, hyberbolic thread titles and such is not extreme when posting on anonymous internet message boards where most people are at best, odd.

Attend one and get back to me. Stand on the sidelines if you are afraid of getting koodies.

You are making yourself look like an Huffington reading loon.

You should be embarrassed.

Heck, I can not believe what you wrote is what you base your opinion on.

Here it comes: I HAVE been to one. My FRIENDS have been there. I have VIDEO of them. I KNOW all about them.

Wow. You really should be embarrassed. You are coming across like an amateur.

Nope. You sound like my friends who defended the anti-war rallies as not extremist. Same arguments, same criticisms and same attacks on me personally.

there are two extreme ends of the political spectrum in this country. one is represented by the far left. and one is represented by the far right.

If one were to go to one of the anti-war rallies, one would find that the attendees were not all of the same fringe ideas...same with Tea Party rallies. When I criticize the rallies I do not single out individual expressions, as the images do. When I criticize the rallies of the extremists in America, left or right, I criticize the content and agenda of the organizers and leaders in attendance. The images are one-dimensional representations of individual attendees, and as such are offered up as anecdotal evidence of what individuals are protesting or advocating.

 

[Dante]

exactly, a gathering of extremists, misfits and misanthropic troglodytes.

When the tea partiers start behaving like this, get back to us.
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get back to us.?

thank you for making my point about group think, and stupidity. Using the actions and signs of individuals at anti-war and other rallies.

extremist views to justify extremist views.

two wrongs always make a rightie, right. in their own small minds.

 

[Maple]

Right-wing extremists taint Tea Party protests, hurt conservative cause | The Eagle Online

This was from a conservative on conservatives. The Tea Partiers are sick extremist monkeys with severe mental issues and are in need of help. When you believe lies are the truth and believe it as gospel something is wrong.

Hey Bass, why don't work up some courage and actually go to a tea party, afraid of all those grandpa's and grandma's with their children and grand children there.