Fact Checking Trump's Yemen Raid Claims

[Coyote]

Some more sources:

Former Obama official: Trump’s deadly Yemen raid wasn’t planned under Obama’s watch
President Donald Trump’s first major military operation, a Navy SEAL raid in Yemen that left multiple civilians dead as well as American Chief Petty Officer William “Ryan” Owens, may not have been as extensively planned under Obama’s administration as Team Trump initially suggested.

Colin Kahl, who served as a national security official under President Barack Obama, fired off a series of tweets on Thursday arguing that while the Defense Department had discussed Yemeni raids with Obama in a general fashion, the specific raid attempted by the Trump administration was not brought up.

Later, when an anonymous official told The Washington Post that “the raid had been planned several months and was given full consideration by the previous administration,” Kahl made it clear that this was not true.

 

[jc456]

Yes, I did mention Bin Laden, but I never said anything about capture, and neither did the administration. Provide a link that says we were supposed to only capture him, because everything else I saw on this said it was a capture or kill mission.

I used your comment as a springboard, no disrespect ABS. The priority was capture, kill was the back up plan, should the first priority FAIL.

Okay, so you admit that it was a capture or kill mission, and therefore no outrage should come from Bin Laden being killed.

It was a mission failure to not achieve the higher objective. Point is, we as a nation were glad to get objective two. Glad about the outcome, not gnashing teeth and screaming about a mission to Yemen.

Even though they lost a helo when they first landed? It's still a mission failure to not bring Bin Laden in alive? Capture or kill means do whichever you feel needs to be done, as we can see from this raid that things can go sideways from the get go.

And, in the Bin Laden raid, we lost an aircraft, but no people. In the Yemen raid we lost both.

shit we lost many lives in WWII. was that a failure?

 

[saveliberty]

But all through the campaign pathological liar Tramp kept saying how STUPID Obama's generals were, so how STUPID does that make Tramp to use a plan made by STUPID generals when he says he knows more than the generals??????

Well Ed, the plan apparently was stupid according to liberals, so Trump might have a point right?

Wrong.

So it was a good plan, great to know.

 

[jc456]

Some more sources:

Former Obama official: Trump’s deadly Yemen raid wasn’t planned under Obama’s watch
President Donald Trump’s first major military operation, a Navy SEAL raid in Yemen that left multiple civilians dead as well as American Chief Petty Officer William “Ryan” Owens, may not have been as extensively planned under Obama’s administration as Team Trump initially suggested.

Colin Kahl, who served as a national security official under President Barack Obama, fired off a series of tweets on Thursday arguing that while the Defense Department had discussed Yemeni raids with Obama in a general fashion, the specific raid attempted by the Trump administration was not brought up.

Later, when an anonymous official told The Washington Post that “the raid had been planned several months and was given full consideration by the previous administration,” Kahl made it clear that this was not true.

surrrrrrrrrrre

 

[edthecynic]

But all through the campaign pathological liar Tramp kept saying how STUPID Obama's generals were, so how STUPID does that make Tramp to use a plan made by STUPID generals when he says he knows more than the generals??????

Well Ed, the plan apparently was stupid according to liberals, so Trump might have a point right?

Wrong.

So it was a good plan, great to know.

tramp's plan sucked.

 

[saveliberty]

Some more sources:

Former Obama official: Trump’s deadly Yemen raid wasn’t planned under Obama’s watch
President Donald Trump’s first major military operation, a Navy SEAL raid in Yemen that left multiple civilians dead as well as American Chief Petty Officer William “Ryan” Owens, may not have been as extensively planned under Obama’s administration as Team Trump initially suggested.

Colin Kahl, who served as a national security official under President Barack Obama, fired off a series of tweets on Thursday arguing that while the Defense Department had discussed Yemeni raids with Obama in a general fashion, the specific raid attempted by the Trump administration was not brought up.

Later, when an anonymous official told The Washington Post that “the raid had been planned several months and was given full consideration by the previous administration,” Kahl made it clear that this was not true.

"May not have been as extensively planed under Obama." ( as in not sure)

"was not brought up" ( as in it existed)

“the raid had been planned several months and was given full consideration by the previous administration.” (seems to be disputing fully considered)

 

[saveliberty]

tramp's plan sucked.

It was Obama's plan.

 

[edthecynic]

tramp's plan sucked.

It was Obama's plan.

No it wasn't. The plan was presented to Tramp by Mattis and Tramp STUPIDLY signed off on it.

 

[Coyote]

Some more sources:

Former Obama official: Trump’s deadly Yemen raid wasn’t planned under Obama’s watch
President Donald Trump’s first major military operation, a Navy SEAL raid in Yemen that left multiple civilians dead as well as American Chief Petty Officer William “Ryan” Owens, may not have been as extensively planned under Obama’s administration as Team Trump initially suggested.

Colin Kahl, who served as a national security official under President Barack Obama, fired off a series of tweets on Thursday arguing that while the Defense Department had discussed Yemeni raids with Obama in a general fashion, the specific raid attempted by the Trump administration was not brought up.

Later, when an anonymous official told The Washington Post that “the raid had been planned several months and was given full consideration by the previous administration,” Kahl made it clear that this was not true.

"May not have been as extensively planed under Obama." ( as in not sure)

"was not brought up" ( as in it existed)

“the raid had been planned several months and was given full consideration by the previous administration.” (seems to be disputing fully considered)

Pretty much, what they are saying is it was discussed, and according to one source different sites were mentioned, but it was rejected as a bad idea and not signed off on. What Trump did was take an idea that was rejected by the Obama administration and jump on it and when it failed, blamed Obama while proclaiming a success.

 

[Coyote]

tramp's plan sucked.

It was Obama's plan.

No. It was REJECTED by Obama.

 

[saveliberty]

Pretty much, what they are saying is it was discussed, and according to one source different sites were mentioned, but it was rejected as a bad idea and not signed off on. What Trump did was take an idea that was rejected by the Obama administration and jump on it and when it failed, blamed Obama while proclaiming a success.

If it was rejected, there would be documentation. I'll wait...

 

[Coyote]

Pretty much, what they are saying is it was discussed, and according to one source different sites were mentioned, but it was rejected as a bad idea and not signed off on. What Trump did was take an idea that was rejected by the Obama administration and jump on it and when it failed, blamed Obama while proclaiming a success.

If it was rejected, there would be documentation. I'll wait...

If it was signed off on, there would be documentation as well.

 

[saveliberty]

tramp's plan sucked.

It was Obama's plan.

No. It was REJECTED by Obama.

A U.S. special operations raid against an al Qaeda compound in a remote part of Yemen was not delayed because President Obama failed to sign off on the operation before he left office this month, three Pentagon officials told the Washington Examiner.

The timing of the raid instead was determined by "operational" factors, and could not have been launched any earlier than Saturday, officials said. That runs counter to reports that Obama nixed the plan over weak intelligence.

Pentagon sources: Obama did not reject plan for Yemen raid!

 

[saveliberty]

Pretty much, what they are saying is it was discussed, and according to one source different sites were mentioned, but it was rejected as a bad idea and not signed off on. What Trump did was take an idea that was rejected by the Obama administration and jump on it and when it failed, blamed Obama while proclaiming a success.

If it was rejected, there would be documentation. I'll wait...

If it was signed off on, there would be documentation as well.

Not to worry, I found the answer and you're not going to like it.

 

[Coyote]

tramp's plan sucked.

It was Obama's plan.

No. It was REJECTED by Obama.

A U.S. special operations raid against an al Qaeda compound in a remote part of Yemen was not delayed because President Obama failed to sign off on the operation before he left office this month, three Pentagon officials told the Washington Examiner.

The timing of the raid instead was determined by "operational" factors, and could not have been launched any earlier than Saturday, officials said. That runs counter to reports that Obama nixed the plan over weak intelligence.

Pentagon sources: Obama did not reject plan for Yemen raid!

All unnamed officials.

So far we have he said/she said.

 

[edthecynic]

tramp's plan sucked.

It was Obama's plan.

No. It was REJECTED by Obama.

A U.S. special operations raid against an al Qaeda compound in a remote part of Yemen was not delayed because President Obama failed to sign off on the operation before he left office this month, three Pentagon officials told the Washington Examiner.

The timing of the raid instead was determined by "operational" factors, and could not have been launched any earlier than Saturday, officials said. That runs counter to reports that Obama nixed the plan over weak intelligence.

Pentagon sources: Obama did not reject plan for Yemen raid!

Secretary of Defense James Mattis and Gen. Joseph Dunford Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, presented the plan over dinner at the White House, on Jan. 25, to Trump, his son-in-law Jared Kushner, and his political strategist Steve Bannon. Trump approved the plan then and there.

 

[saveliberty]

tramp's plan sucked.

It was Obama's plan.

No. It was REJECTED by Obama.

A U.S. special operations raid against an al Qaeda compound in a remote part of Yemen was not delayed because President Obama failed to sign off on the operation before he left office this month, three Pentagon officials told the Washington Examiner.

The timing of the raid instead was determined by "operational" factors, and could not have been launched any earlier than Saturday, officials said. That runs counter to reports that Obama nixed the plan over weak intelligence.

Pentagon sources: Obama did not reject plan for Yemen raid!

All unnamed officials.

So far we have he said/she said.

Except mine have multiple officials in most cases. Interesting that every claim you made has a counter, yet you presented them as fact in each case.

 

[Rambunctious]

This raid was planed weeks ago while Obama was still in office. They were waiting for a new moon or it would have been launched weeks ago....Hell Trumps cabinet wasn't even in place when it was planed and carried out.

 

[saveliberty]

Secretary of Defense James Mattis and Gen. Joseph Dunford Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, presented the plan over dinner at the White House, on Jan. 25, to Trump, his son-in-law Jared Kushner, and his political strategist Steve Bannon. Trump approved the plan then and there.

Presented the Obama plan.

 

[Rambunctious]

Just another Obama screw up!