FACT:Before capitalism life expectancy was 24 years,after capitalism 66 years

[Charles_Main]

If capitalism didn't start until 1820 what was the East India Company doing in the 1600's?

Shhh...the OP thinks it was "introduced" rather than the reality of gradual development.

How foolish of them. Capitalism has existed in one for or Another since the Dawn of Time.

Period.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Life expectancy in the US before Social Security, 62, after Social Security, 79.

Correlation does not prove causation.

No shit.

Welcome to the point I was making.

You might want to learn the basic procedure for making a point, because if you weren't trying to say Social Security improves life expectancy in old farts, you're doing this point-making thing all wrong.

Next time, if you want proof that capitalism improves life, try just asking for it. See, the rest of us already know what the proof is, so we don't need to ask. I'm sure someone will be willing to catch you up to where the rest of us are so that you can discuss the topic intelligently.

 

[uscitizen]

Cherry picking means selecting data from a universe of data and choosing that data that fits the expectation right?

I am trying to find other periods of mankind societies civilizations, etc. where capitalism i.e. pooling of money by an individual or individuals to start a business venture with the objective of earning profits.

When were their periods when capitalism flourished as it has from 1820 to 1998 the period that the experts claim as "capitalism epoch"?
I don't think there were any . Now some idiot mentioned the East India but that was one of the first and not a valid starting point as 1820 when capital formation began to explode.

So tell me at what other time did capitalism as we know it flourish as it did from 1820 and on?

1820's to 1998...hmm and what about the break up of the robber barrons?
The advent of Social security?
WPA?
TVA?
Medicare, medicaid, welfare, food commodity program converting to food stamps..
The advent of taxpayer funded public education?
The rise on unions?

Of course you are correct the biggest boom of capitalism ever.

 

[Cecilie1200]

John D. Rockefeller gave away millions and millions. Was he a socialist?

Oh, holy crap. Someone should tell Occupied that Louis Pasteur GOT PAID for his work and his discoveries. It was HIS JOB. And he benefited financially and reputation-wise from everything he did.

Louis Pasteur was a science professor at a prestigious research university in France. His work in putting to rest the idea of spontaneous generation was done as part of a contest run by the Paris Academy of Sciences, which he won. His work in fermentation, leading to the Pasteur effect, was undertaken at the behest of the French wine industry. His discovery of pasteurization was done at the direct request of Napoleon III, Emperor of France, in order to save the French wine industry. You think they might have rewarded him for that little bit of work, hmmm?

I don't doubt for a second that his primary motivation was love of science, because most truly successful people get that way because they love what they do. But he was still very much profiting off of what he did, and I also don't doubt for a second that if his institution had stopped paying him and heaping honors on him, he'd have taken his brilliant ass to someplace willing to shell out the cash.

As it should be.

So according to you he was working for the government as a part of an effort to bail out a failing industry.

A true capitalism success story!

According to me, he was working for profit, which is quite capitalistic on an individual basis. What, you thought selling things to the government was socialism, just because there's a government involved? Christ, try buying a dictionary. Or, if buying things is against your principles, borrow one from the public library.

 

[uscitizen]

You can still buy dictionaries?

 

[Old Rocks]

Correlation does not prove causation.

No shit.

Welcome to the point I was making.

You might want to learn the basic procedure for making a point, because if you weren't trying to say Social Security improves life expectancy in old farts, you're doing this point-making thing all wrong.

Next time, if you want proof that capitalism improves life, try just asking for it. See, the rest of us already know what the proof is, so we don't need to ask. I'm sure someone will be willing to catch you up to where the rest of us are so that you can discuss the topic intelligently.

Capitalism, correctly applied, improves life. Socialism, correctly applied, improves life.

 

[uscitizen]

No shit.

Welcome to the point I was making.

You might want to learn the basic procedure for making a point, because if you weren't trying to say Social Security improves life expectancy in old farts, you're doing this point-making thing all wrong.

Next time, if you want proof that capitalism improves life, try just asking for it. See, the rest of us already know what the proof is, so we don't need to ask. I'm sure someone will be willing to catch you up to where the rest of us are so that you can discuss the topic intelligently.

Capitalism, correctly applied, improves life. Socialism, correctly applied, improves life.

Actually a proper balance of the 2 is all that will work long term.
Both fail in their extreme.

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism, correctly applied, improves life. Socialism, correctly applied, improves life.

Wrong. Socialism does not improve life.

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism, correctly applied, improves life. Socialism, correctly applied, improves life.

Actually a proper balance of the 2 is all that will work long term.
Both fail in their extreme.

Right, and a "proper balance" between food and potassium cyanide is all that will work in the long term.

 

[uscitizen]

Capitalism, correctly applied, improves life. Socialism, correctly applied, improves life.

Actually a proper balance of the 2 is all that will work long term.
Both fail in their extreme.

Right, and a "proper balance" between food and potassium cyanide is all that will work in the long term.

They obviously leaned a bit heavy towards the potassium cyanide in your diet.

 

[Article 15]

Oh, holy crap. Someone should tell Occupied that Louis Pasteur GOT PAID for his work and his discoveries. It was HIS JOB. And he benefited financially and reputation-wise from everything he did.

Louis Pasteur was a science professor at a prestigious research university in France. His work in putting to rest the idea of spontaneous generation was done as part of a contest run by the Paris Academy of Sciences, which he won. His work in fermentation, leading to the Pasteur effect, was undertaken at the behest of the French wine industry. His discovery of pasteurization was done at the direct request of Napoleon III, Emperor of France, in order to save the French wine industry. You think they might have rewarded him for that little bit of work, hmmm?

I don't doubt for a second that his primary motivation was love of science, because most truly successful people get that way because they love what they do. But he was still very much profiting off of what he did, and I also don't doubt for a second that if his institution had stopped paying him and heaping honors on him, he'd have taken his brilliant ass to someplace willing to shell out the cash.

As it should be.

So according to you he was working for the government as a part of an effort to bail out a failing industry.

A true capitalism success story!

According to me, he was working for profit, which is quite capitalistic on an individual basis. What, you thought selling things to the government was socialism, just because there's a government involved? Christ, try buying a dictionary. Or, if buying things is against your principles, borrow one from the public library.

Nice tap dance.



Face it. you owned yourself with that post.

According to your story Pasteurization was the result of French government intervention in the wine market.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. The ideologues just cannot admit that socialism is a tool, just as is capitalism. Kind of like insisting that an adjustable jaw wrench is superior to a socket wrench in every application, or vice-a-versa.

 

[Article 15]

Correlation does not prove causation.

No shit.

Welcome to the point I was making.

You might want to learn the basic procedure for making a point, because if you weren't trying to say Social Security improves life expectancy in old farts, you're doing this point-making thing all wrong.

Next time, if you want proof that capitalism improves life, try just asking for it. See, the rest of us already know what the proof is, so we don't need to ask. I'm sure someone will be willing to catch you up to where the rest of us are so that you can discuss the topic intelligently.

The point was you can take any "event" or change in history, project life expectancy forward, point and say "hey, that had something to do with it".

That said, if you don't think retirees having a guaranteed income after leaving the work force didn't have anything to do with the upward movement of life expectancy in this country you are pants on head retarded.

 

[Article 15]

You might want to learn the basic procedure for making a point, because if you weren't trying to say Social Security improves life expectancy in old farts, you're doing this point-making thing all wrong.

Next time, if you want proof that capitalism improves life, try just asking for it. See, the rest of us already know what the proof is, so we don't need to ask. I'm sure someone will be willing to catch you up to where the rest of us are so that you can discuss the topic intelligently.

Capitalism, correctly applied, improves life. Socialism, correctly applied, improves life.

Actually a proper balance of the 2 is all that will work long term.
Both fail in their extreme.

Yup

 

[Old Rocks]

Capitalism, correctly applied, improves life. Socialism, correctly applied, improves life.

Wrong. Socialism does not improve life.

Yep, and Bismark had nothing to do with Germany's health care system. Pattycake, you are the definition of willfull ignorance.

 

[bripat9643]

Life expectancy in the US before Social Security, 62, after Social Security, 79.

Life expectancy prior to the widespread availability of television: 62. After television was in every home life expectancy is 79.

50% of households in the country didn't have a TV until the mid 50's

So?

 

[Article 15]

Life expectancy prior to the widespread availability of television: 62. After television was in every home life expectancy is 79.

50% of households in the country didn't have a TV until the mid 50's

So?

Much like everything else you post, your timeline is flat out wrong.

 

[francoHFW]

Capitalism, correctly applied, IS socialism. Forget communism, brainwashed cold war dinosaur dupes. We're ALL socialists now, as the Finnish PM said when ACA passed...Controlling health costs and covering everyone (as such HAS to be), is not the slippery slope to Marxism, Pub dupes. Especially when it's mainly private insurers (like USA, Switz and Neth.).

The USA is already a socialist state, unfortunately a very unfair Pub one, thanks to you chumps.

In fact, YA GD MORONS- there IS NO SLIPPERY slope to Marxism. It has only EVER happened by violent popular revoluton in horribly unfair societies, or violently imposed from outside. and us now totally discredited. NOT HERE AT ALL,

 

[bripat9643]

Mercantilism was a form OF capitalism;

No it wasn't. That's why they have a different name for it.

and The Wealth of Nations was written in 1766. You are out of your league on this topic.

The Wealth of Nations written to discourage the government from implementing mercantilist policies. It was an argument against mercantilism.

 

[bripat9643]

50% of households in the country didn't have a TV until the mid 50's

So?

Much like everything else you post, your timeline is flat out wrong.

How can it be wrong? Social Security and television were introduced at about the same time.