F35 - superfighter or lame duck?

[Manonthestreet]

The second piece of the deployment was large force exercises and 4-ship training which is the core fighting force in the Eagle,” said Bladen. “With several other fighter airframes on the Gulf Coast, we were able to put together daily outnumbered scenarios that we cannot produce up here at Barnes. The last day of the trip we flew 4 F-15s and 4 F-22s against 14 "red air" fighters. For our training, we allowed the red air to regenerate after being killed by a blue air fighter. The final results of that mission: Blue Air killed 41 enemy aircraft and lost just one. While pretty phenomenal, perfection is our goal so the debrief focused on how we could have had a 41-0 ratio." 104th Fighter Wing Eagles on Target at United States Air Force's Weapons Systems Evaluation Program

F-35s present here but no talk of how wonderful they did.....

During the entire exercise, there were a total of 3 losses for the F-35. One F-35A and 2 F-35Bs. All losses were during Ground attack which is the highest threat level you can get in. Not only are you being fired at by AA Assets, the Ground Assets with a real hardon for attack planes. The level of defense against any ground attack bird asset at this Red Flag was far more intense than anything they will meet in actual combat. Those 3 losses were the first day. It was turned into a learning curve and the Blue Force adapted.

You got that from where.....you confusing this with Red Flag

Yes, I got that from Red Flag. The reason you don't see any combat by the F-35s in your exercise is that they were left on the ramp. The F-15 has a shortage of qualified pilots. By flying them in the F-15Ds and then the F-15Cs they certified more pilots this way. And before you scream "Cite, Cite" that comes from your very own cite. Your hatred for the F-35 is blinding you from everything else.

again with no link to back up your BS......ITs not hatred its informed skepticism of bs claims

From your own link 104th Fighter Wing Eagles on Target at United States Air Force's Weapons Systems Evaluation Program

104th Fighter Wing Eagles on Target at United States Air Force's Weapons Systems Evaluation Program

The 104th is made up of F-15C/D. Not one single F-35 is in that unit. They were there to qualify more F-15 Pilots and qualify some of the high time F-15 pilots for the F-22. IT's your link. Read it and weep.

So who did they fly against.......LLMMAAOOO

 

[Daryl Hunt]

During the entire exercise, there were a total of 3 losses for the F-35. One F-35A and 2 F-35Bs. All losses were during Ground attack which is the highest threat level you can get in. Not only are you being fired at by AA Assets, the Ground Assets with a real hardon for attack planes. The level of defense against any ground attack bird asset at this Red Flag was far more intense than anything they will meet in actual combat. Those 3 losses were the first day. It was turned into a learning curve and the Blue Force adapted.

You got that from where.....you confusing this with Red Flag

Yes, I got that from Red Flag. The reason you don't see any combat by the F-35s in your exercise is that they were left on the ramp. The F-15 has a shortage of qualified pilots. By flying them in the F-15Ds and then the F-15Cs they certified more pilots this way. And before you scream "Cite, Cite" that comes from your very own cite. Your hatred for the F-35 is blinding you from everything else.

again with no link to back up your BS......ITs not hatred its informed skepticism of bs claims

From your own link 104th Fighter Wing Eagles on Target at United States Air Force's Weapons Systems Evaluation Program

104th Fighter Wing Eagles on Target at United States Air Force's Weapons Systems Evaluation Program

The 104th is made up of F-15C/D. Not one single F-35 is in that unit. They were there to qualify more F-15 Pilots and qualify some of the high time F-15 pilots for the F-22. IT's your link. Read it and weep.

So who did they fly against.......LLMMAAOOO

Themselves, fruitcake. The Unit trained against high time pilots in F-15Cs. The twist was adding the F-22 to the blue mix. If you had your way, they would have been training against F-86s. How would that work out for you.

They were training new F-15 Pilots including Pilots right out of flight school. Damned, don't you read your own cites?

 

[Manonthestreet]

You got that from where.....you confusing this with Red Flag

Yes, I got that from Red Flag. The reason you don't see any combat by the F-35s in your exercise is that they were left on the ramp. The F-15 has a shortage of qualified pilots. By flying them in the F-15Ds and then the F-15Cs they certified more pilots this way. And before you scream "Cite, Cite" that comes from your very own cite. Your hatred for the F-35 is blinding you from everything else.

again with no link to back up your BS......ITs not hatred its informed skepticism of bs claims

From your own link 104th Fighter Wing Eagles on Target at United States Air Force's Weapons Systems Evaluation Program

104th Fighter Wing Eagles on Target at United States Air Force's Weapons Systems Evaluation Program

The 104th is made up of F-15C/D. Not one single F-35 is in that unit. They were there to qualify more F-15 Pilots and qualify some of the high time F-15 pilots for the F-22. IT's your link. Read it and weep.

So who did they fly against.......LLMMAAOOO

Themselves, fruitcake. The Unit trained against high time pilots in F-15Cs. The twist was adding the F-22 to the blue mix. If you had your way, they would have been training against F-86s. How would that work out for you.

Then the reults would not be as listed dumbass if you had equal outfits

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Yes, I got that from Red Flag. The reason you don't see any combat by the F-35s in your exercise is that they were left on the ramp. The F-15 has a shortage of qualified pilots. By flying them in the F-15Ds and then the F-15Cs they certified more pilots this way. And before you scream "Cite, Cite" that comes from your very own cite. Your hatred for the F-35 is blinding you from everything else.

again with no link to back up your BS......ITs not hatred its informed skepticism of bs claims

From your own link 104th Fighter Wing Eagles on Target at United States Air Force's Weapons Systems Evaluation Program

104th Fighter Wing Eagles on Target at United States Air Force's Weapons Systems Evaluation Program

The 104th is made up of F-15C/D. Not one single F-35 is in that unit. They were there to qualify more F-15 Pilots and qualify some of the high time F-15 pilots for the F-22. IT's your link. Read it and weep.

So who did they fly against.......LLMMAAOOO

Themselves, fruitcake. The Unit trained against high time pilots in F-15Cs. The twist was adding the F-22 to the blue mix. If you had your way, they would have been training against F-86s. How would that work out for you.

Then the reults would not be as listed dumbass if you had equal outfits

The results are worthless. They aren't there to win or lose. They are there to train new pilots. When you come to that part, do you cover your eyes and start screaming "La La La, I can't Hear you" over and over.

 

[Manonthestreet]

“With several other fighter airframes on the Gulf Coast, we were able to put together daily outnumbered scenarios that we cannot produce up here at Barnes. Those other Airframes were the others listed....not themselves duhhhhhh

 

[Daryl Hunt]

“With several other fighter airframes on the Gulf Coast, we were able to put together daily outnumbered scenarios that we cannot produce up here at Barnes. Those other Airframes were the others listed....not themselves duhhhhhh

And how do you know this? OUtside of the F-22 who were there to qualify F-15 Pilots to the F-22, all the F-15s were from the same unit. They were there to train new Pilots, not compete in some contest like you keep harping. Read your own cite for a change. And leave the blackout pen. It's screwing up your monitor.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

“With several other fighter airframes on the Gulf Coast, we were able to put together daily outnumbered scenarios that we cannot produce up here at Barnes. Those other Airframes were the others listed....not themselves duhhhhhh

They are firing live weapons. They are flying against target drones. I suppose you want to keep track of the drone kills and let them fire back with live weapons as well. What the heck, I thought we got rid of the "Learn or Die" since the P-38s early days of just dumping a pilot in the cockpit and sending them to war. How'd that work out for us? Things change. Shooting using computer data is fine at Red Flag but firing live weapons at a target is quite another thing. You get to smell the napalm in the morning.

You think all flyoffs are against other Aircraft. When live weapons are used, only a complete marrooon like you would want to see training done that way. A F-15C costs about 110 mil. A seasoned pilot costs years and millions. But I guess you think that they need to "Learn or Die".

 

[Manonthestreet]

“With several other fighter airframes on the Gulf Coast, we were able to put together daily outnumbered scenarios that we cannot produce up here at Barnes. Those other Airframes were the others listed....not themselves duhhhhhh

They are firing live weapons. They are flying against target drones. I suppose you want to keep track of the drone kills and let them fire back with live weapons as well. What the heck, I thought we got rid of the "Learn or Die" since the P-38s early days of just dumping a pilot in the cockpit and sending them to war. How'd that work out for us? Things change. Shooting using computer data is fine at Red Flag but firing live weapons at a target is quite another thing. You get to smell the napalm in the morning.

You think all flyoffs are against other Aircraft. When live weapons are used, only a complete marrooon like you would want to see training done that way. A F-15C costs about 110 mil. A seasoned pilot costs years and millions. But I guess you think that they need to "Learn or Die".

target drones dont "regenerate"....oooops......didnt read did ya

 

[DrainBamage]

ITs not hatred its informed skepticism of bs claims

Come on dude, you're the one who's been saying over and over that the F-35 isn't stealthy, too slow to fight, will get our pilots killed. Yet this plane has been dominating in exercises, partly because ground radar and other aircraft can't find it, and because of the sensor systems you dismiss in favor of an irrational obsession with max clean altitude and speed.

So you're desperately hanging on by trying to imply some vast conspiracy among the hundreds of pilots, ground controllers, etc. from various nations to lie about it's capabilities. You're clearly emotionally vested in this since you're throwing common sense out the window to stubbornly stick to your guns.

At the very least it will be amusing going forward as results continue to overwhelm the bs from skeptics who have never flown the plane, and how long you'll keep on clinging to your views since it (and you) will look more ridiculous over time.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

“With several other fighter airframes on the Gulf Coast, we were able to put together daily outnumbered scenarios that we cannot produce up here at Barnes. Those other Airframes were the others listed....not themselves duhhhhhh

They are firing live weapons. They are flying against target drones. I suppose you want to keep track of the drone kills and let them fire back with live weapons as well. What the heck, I thought we got rid of the "Learn or Die" since the P-38s early days of just dumping a pilot in the cockpit and sending them to war. How'd that work out for us? Things change. Shooting using computer data is fine at Red Flag but firing live weapons at a target is quite another thing. You get to smell the napalm in the morning.

You think all flyoffs are against other Aircraft. When live weapons are used, only a complete marrooon like you would want to see training done that way. A F-15C costs about 110 mil. A seasoned pilot costs years and millions. But I guess you think that they need to "Learn or Die".

target drones dont "regenerate"....oooops......didnt read did ya

That is only part of the exercise. For the most part, it's as much about the equipment as it is the pilot. You can't get the same experience flying a sim or electronically tagging your target like you can shooting the real thing. You used the "Last" day as it the rest of it wasn't important. Sure am glad you aren't training pilots. We would end up with a lot of lost Airframes and dead pilots.

If they were to use the F-35A as a Red Force, the F-22 would bag almost everyone of them while the F-15 holds back and becomes missile trucks. Just how long do you think the F-16 would last with those two flying like that. BTW, that is EXACTLY the way they fly. And so does the F-16/F-35 duo fly the same way. The F-16 becomes the missile truck. But pitting the F-35/F-16 against two of the worlds best Air to Air Fighters working in tandem is just a turkey shoot. It's not that the F-35A/F-16C can't handle all but the F-22/F-15C combo. They can.

No existing duo of Aircraft can stand up to the F-22/F-15C combo. And only the F-22/F-15C combo can defeat the F-35A/F-16C combo. This is why they have paired them up like that. They train that way.

And yes, Lucy, they are firing live ordinance at Target Drones and QFs so each and everyone of the pilots can get qualified on the real thing. You take the last day and make it sound like the F-22/F-15C is going against the F-16C/F-35A combo the entire time. Not and get a 41 to zip score they aren't. The F-35A is still going to get it's licks on some of the F-22s while the F-16 will get some of it's licks on the F-15 as long as they don't use the F-15 solely as a missile truck.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

ITs not hatred its informed skepticism of bs claims

Come on dude, you're the one who's been saying over and over that the F-35 isn't stealthy, too slow to fight, will get our pilots killed. Yet this plane has been dominating in exercises, partly because ground radar and other aircraft can't find it, and because of the sensor systems you dismiss in favor of an irrational obsession with max clean altitude and speed.

So you're desperately hanging on by trying to imply some vast conspiracy among the hundreds of pilots, ground controllers, etc. from various nations to lie about it's capabilities. You're clearly emotionally vested in this since you're throwing common sense out the window to stubbornly stick to your guns.

At the very least it will be amusing going forward as results continue to overwhelm the bs from skeptics who have never flown the plane, and how long you'll keep on clinging to your views since it (and you) will look more ridiculous over time.

It is hard to imagine him to become even more ridiculous but I think he will make the grade on the ridiculous scale. Just when we think he's maxed it out he will find a way to get even more ridiculous. I have faith in him.

 

[Manonthestreet]

“With several other fighter airframes on the Gulf Coast, we were able to put together daily outnumbered scenarios that we cannot produce up here at Barnes. Those other Airframes were the others listed....not themselves duhhhhhh

They are firing live weapons. They are flying against target drones. I suppose you want to keep track of the drone kills and let them fire back with live weapons as well. What the heck, I thought we got rid of the "Learn or Die" since the P-38s early days of just dumping a pilot in the cockpit and sending them to war. How'd that work out for us? Things change. Shooting using computer data is fine at Red Flag but firing live weapons at a target is quite another thing. You get to smell the napalm in the morning.

You think all flyoffs are against other Aircraft. When live weapons are used, only a complete marrooon like you would want to see training done that way. A F-15C costs about 110 mil. A seasoned pilot costs years and millions. But I guess you think that they need to "Learn or Die".

target drones dont "regenerate"....oooops......didnt read did ya

That is only part of the exercise. For the most part, it's as much about the equipment as it is the pilot. You can't get the same experience flying a sim or electronically tagging your target like you can shooting the real thing. You used the "Last" day as it the rest of it wasn't important. Sure am glad you aren't training pilots. We would end up with a lot of lost Airframes and dead pilots.

If they were to use the F-35A as a Red Force, the F-22 would bag almost everyone of them while the F-15 holds back and becomes missile trucks. Just how long do you think the F-16 would last with those two flying like that. BTW, that is EXACTLY the way they fly. And so does the F-16/F-35 duo fly the same way. The F-16 becomes the missile truck. But pitting the F-35/F-16 against two of the worlds best Air to Air Fighters working in tandem is just a turkey shoot. It's not that the F-35A/F-16C can't handle all but the F-22/F-15C combo. They can.

No existing duo of Aircraft can stand up to the F-22/F-15C combo. And only the F-22/F-15C combo can defeat the F-35A/F-16C combo. This is why they have paired them up like that. They train that way.

And yes, Lucy, they are firing live ordinance at Target Drones and QFs so each and everyone of the pilots can get qualified on the real thing. You take the last day and make it sound like the F-22/F-15C is going against the F-16C/F-35A combo the entire time. Not and get a 41 to zip score they aren't. The F-35A is still going to get it's licks on some of the F-22s while the F-16 will get some of it's licks on the F-15 as long as they don't use the F-15 solely as a missile truck.

Ive never seen someone talk so much bs in direct contradiction of plain text...give it up man.......

 

[DrainBamage]

It is hard to imagine him to become even more ridiculous

Agreed, actual events are definitely overriding most of the BS speculation about the plane (of which ManOnTheStreet was a big believer), he'll have to keep stretching farther and farther into illogical reasoning to stubbornly hold on to his position.

In fact I'll go ahead and predict we'll get a "I'm done with this thread" post eventually.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

“With several other fighter airframes on the Gulf Coast, we were able to put together daily outnumbered scenarios that we cannot produce up here at Barnes. Those other Airframes were the others listed....not themselves duhhhhhh

They are firing live weapons. They are flying against target drones. I suppose you want to keep track of the drone kills and let them fire back with live weapons as well. What the heck, I thought we got rid of the "Learn or Die" since the P-38s early days of just dumping a pilot in the cockpit and sending them to war. How'd that work out for us? Things change. Shooting using computer data is fine at Red Flag but firing live weapons at a target is quite another thing. You get to smell the napalm in the morning.

You think all flyoffs are against other Aircraft. When live weapons are used, only a complete marrooon like you would want to see training done that way. A F-15C costs about 110 mil. A seasoned pilot costs years and millions. But I guess you think that they need to "Learn or Die".

target drones dont "regenerate"....oooops......didnt read did ya

That is only part of the exercise. For the most part, it's as much about the equipment as it is the pilot. You can't get the same experience flying a sim or electronically tagging your target like you can shooting the real thing. You used the "Last" day as it the rest of it wasn't important. Sure am glad you aren't training pilots. We would end up with a lot of lost Airframes and dead pilots.

If they were to use the F-35A as a Red Force, the F-22 would bag almost everyone of them while the F-15 holds back and becomes missile trucks. Just how long do you think the F-16 would last with those two flying like that. BTW, that is EXACTLY the way they fly. And so does the F-16/F-35 duo fly the same way. The F-16 becomes the missile truck. But pitting the F-35/F-16 against two of the worlds best Air to Air Fighters working in tandem is just a turkey shoot. It's not that the F-35A/F-16C can't handle all but the F-22/F-15C combo. They can.

No existing duo of Aircraft can stand up to the F-22/F-15C combo. And only the F-22/F-15C combo can defeat the F-35A/F-16C combo. This is why they have paired them up like that. They train that way.

And yes, Lucy, they are firing live ordinance at Target Drones and QFs so each and everyone of the pilots can get qualified on the real thing. You take the last day and make it sound like the F-22/F-15C is going against the F-16C/F-35A combo the entire time. Not and get a 41 to zip score they aren't. The F-35A is still going to get it's licks on some of the F-22s while the F-16 will get some of it's licks on the F-15 as long as they don't use the F-15 solely as a missile truck.

Ive never seen someone talk so much bs in direct contradiction of plain text...give it up man.......

What's the matter, you don't read your own cites? Well, I can't help that, now can I. When Facts get in your way, you just start making it up as you go.

Did the mean ol' Retired Air Force Dude throw facts over your BS? Get over it already.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It is hard to imagine him to become even more ridiculous

Agreed, actual events are definitely overriding most of the BS speculation about the plane (of which ManOnTheStreet was a big believer), he'll have to keep stretching farther and farther into illogical reasoning to stubbornly hold on to his position.

In fact I'll go ahead and predict we'll get a "I'm done with this thread" post eventually.

What's even sadder, the article he quoted had nothing really to do with the F-35 Performance. It's about the F-15C and F-22 training together to become a force NO Military can equal much less best. And it's about training new fighter pilots for the F-15C which doesn't have enough combat qualified pilots at this time. Kudos to the 141st.

And if he were to do what you say he will, he would have done it long ago. In fact, it's a shame that the powers in the background just don't lock the string so we can get to other things. This has gone on longer than is healthy. I guess the "Powers that Be" like to see us beat the hell out of the kid.

 

[DrainBamage]

Ive never seen someone talk so much bs in direct contradiction of plain text...give it up man.......

Quite ironic you saying this, given your current mantra is that F-35's dominance has only been in exercises and it can't be judged as successful since hasn't seen combat. Here are some posts you made defending F-22 before it ever saw combat, and of course it still has never seen air-to-air combat:

F-22 has an 18-1 kill ratio vs F-15 in training.

F-22 would smoke F-16.

Strange eh? F-35's dominance at 20-1 can be dismissed since just an exercise, but hey there you are pointing out F-22 kill ratio in exercises. F-35 can't be evaluated against other aircraft since hasn't seen combat, but I guess that was okay for F-22. Perfect examples of how you are so vested in criticizing this plane you are willing to put aside common sense and set completely different standards on how it can be judged.

It will only get harder for you here trying to defend your "F-35 can't fight" position and I think you know it and hate it. At his point you're just posting on stubbornness and false pride, it is almost a spectacle.

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[DrainBamage]

Low, slow, and fat = dead. Always has always will. Not any more complicated than that. f-35 is outclassed by those 30 yr old outdated designs.

20-1

They have and its ugly and pilots are going to get waxed.

20-1

all points to dead on arrival if you have the misfortune to be in one.

20-1

Just the facts....your non stealthy low and slow bomb wagon is a death trap

20-1

 

[DrainBamage]

Not referencing myself .....Reffing the planes known specs......duh

There are no officially published specs on the F-35's RCS, it is almost cute that someone is naive enough to think so. There are estimates from armchair experts on internet forums, there are references to it being the same as a marble or golf ball or whatever that were first floated about before the plane even flew, but there are no military specifications published for F-35 (or F-22, or B-2, etc.) of it's exact RCS. If you took the time to follow the references your blogs make about F-35 RCS you will find they lead back and forth to each other as sources, nowhere else. All your arguments that the plane isn't stealthy are based on conjecture by blog writers who have no actual experience with the F-35, and are directly contradicted by it's performance in air-to-air and air-to-ground exercises.

Even the climb rate, turn rate, and top speed are minimum program requirements and software limitations as opposed actual known performance maximums. An F-35C has more aerodynamic drag and weighs 20% more than an F-35A, do you really think they both can fly max mach 1.6 with the exact same engine? Of course not, only a fool would ponder that and decide they have same top speed characteristics. All we know is all models can fly at least mach 1.6, but the actual top speed of each model is only known by current software limitations.

You also are oblivious to external carriage penalties for other aircraft where you are constantly swooning over the top speed and altitude. You ignore the fact that fighters are usually flying at their optimal cruising altitude and at transonic speeds, it would make no sense for Mr. SU-35 to go happily flying along at full afterburner and max altitude because he'd run out of fuel and could hardly turn. An SU-35 with an air combat loadout of 6-8 missiles (Russia typically makes huge missiles, R-27 is 13.4' long and 9.1" diameter) isn't flying anywhere near it's clean top speed or clean max altitude. So all your fantasies of some SU-35 zipping along at mach 2.2 at 60k feet make no sense if it is on an actual combat mission and carrying ordnance to prosecute said combat mission. F-35 drag and RCS penalties in Block 4 with six AMRAAMs? Zero.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Not referencing myself .....Reffing the planes known specs......duh

There are no officially published specs on the F-35's RCS, it is almost cute that someone is naive enough to think so. There are estimates from armchair experts on internet forums, there are references to it being the same as a marble or golf ball or whatever that were first floated about before the plane even flew, but there are no military specifications published for F-35 (or F-22, or B-2, etc.) of it's exact RCS. If you took the time to follow the references your blogs make about F-35 RCS you will find they lead back and forth to each other as sources, nowhere else. All your arguments that the plane isn't stealthy are based on conjecture by blog writers who have no actual experience with the F-35, and are directly contradicted by it's performance in air-to-air and air-to-ground exercises.

Even the climb rate, turn rate, and top speed are minimum program requirements and software limitations as opposed actual known performance maximums. An F-35C has more aerodynamic drag and weighs 20% more than an F-35A, do you really think they both can fly max mach 1.6 with the exact same engine? Of course not, only a fool would ponder that and decide they have same top speed characteristics. All we know is all models can fly at least mach 1.6, but the actual top speed of each model is only known by current software limitations.

You also are oblivious to external carriage penalties for other aircraft where you are constantly swooning over the top speed and altitude. You ignore the fact that fighters are usually flying at their optimal cruising altitude and at transonic speeds, it would make no sense for Mr. SU-35 to go happily flying along at full afterburner and max altitude because he'd run out of fuel and could hardly turn. An SU-35 with an air combat loadout of 6-8 missiles (Russia typically makes huge missiles, R-27 is 13.4' long and 9.1" diameter) isn't flying anywhere near it's clean top speed or clean max altitude. So all your fantasies of some SU-35 zipping along at mach 2.2 at 60k feet make no sense if it is on an actual combat mission and carrying ordnance to prosecute said combat mission. F-35 drag and RCS penalties in Block 4 with six AMRAAMs? Zero.

Are you trying to make his head explode? How dare you to use facts and figures that are known and discounting those that aren't known.

The F-16 in the original test was loaded with 2 wing tanks to give him the duration needed to match the F-35-A2. While they had the A2 limited to 6.5g and Max 1.6, the poor overloaded F-16 (normally a mach 2 and a 9+G) would be lucky to get mach 1.3 and a 7.5g load. Now, put missiles on the F-16 to equal that of a production F-35A and you drop it down to barely supersonic with about a 6g load. And I am probably being kind.

If a F-15C were to tangle with a SU-35, the F-15 is going to force the fight to just under supersonic speed. This completely negates the thrust vectoring on the SU-35. It works only at lower speeds and air shows. It's just about worthless in combat unless the F-15C pilot gets very stupid very quickly. The fight is going to be somewhere between 7 to 9+ gs for both of them. Here is the rub, the SU-35 must stay in the fight. The F-15C can elect to disengage if needs arise. The F-15C is quite a bit faster. Here is a bit of info. The F-15C and do a Mach 2.5 sprint if it needs to. But that's not it's highest thrust setting. It has a V-Max setting that no one but a few know the real top speed. Of course, he's going to be spitting engine parts out but he can get away. The SU-35 has to win to survive and can't disengage if things go bad.
If either one of them decides to boogey out, they are going to have to jettisen their entire missile load. The F-15C and elect to save 2 and keep up with the fleeing SU-35. AS I said, the SU-35 is there for the duration no matter what.

There's a lot of life in the old F-15C.

 

[Manonthestreet]

at the Navy’s League’s Sea Air Space 2017 convention and exhibition, The War Zone learned ATK Orbital believes its Hatchet and Hammer miniature bombs might be a good fit for Lockheed's F-35 Joint Strike Fighters. The jets sorely need more firepower in their stealthiest configuration, but they still can't attack fast-moving targets on the ground at all, a key capability for aircraft supporting troops on the ground. Miniature Smart Bombs Could Help Give the F-35 Firepower It Desperately Needs
Brilliant...for a strike aircraft stuffed with all the newest and best this is incomprehensible, Projected fix 2020 or later......