'Extremely Unfair': Bernie Sanders Denies His Form of Socialism Is the Same as Venezuela's or Cuba's

[Mac1958]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Lol
Socialism is always Mandatory, Whether people want it or not… That is why it will always be a failure

If you want to think Canada, Australia, Germany and Norway are failures, great.

Or maybe you don't think they're socialist.

There's really no way of knowing what you folks actually mean by the term, so none of this conversation matters.
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[Mac1958]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

That's not democratic socialism.

It's closer to Venezuela and Cuba than anything.

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Then you don't understand what they are saying.

It really isn't all that tough. I know it's easier to just scream VENEZUELA, but it's just not accurate.
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Socialism is government ownership and control of the means of production.

Democratic Socialism is the same thing, but we all get to vote on things.



Canada, Australia, Germany, and Norway are not true "socialist" states. They have a lot of government freebies, but not straight-up government ownership and control of production, like Venezuela and Democratic Socialism.

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And the Democrats are not after government ownership of production and distribution.

Health care? Yes, and I'm against Single Payer too. But they're not talking about ownership across the board, and non-socialist countries have Single Payer.

I just wish we could have an honest, pragmatic conversation about where along the continuum of government involvement is optimal.

Just screaming SOCIALISM or VENEZUELA at everything that moves is silly and pointless. Just like the way the Left screams RACISM at everything that moves.

I think we've lost the ability to communicate.
.

Socialism...

Instead of pictures, perhaps you could provide me with your specific definition of the term.

And example countries.

Thanks in advance.
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[Hellokitty]

Has Bernie introduced a new constitution or something that would change us from a Democratic Republic to a Social state?

Are you worried he do it with an EO?

Obama tried a Coup, and I can't find that in the Constitution

Seeing how far left democrats have gone it's terrifying to think of where we would be had Hillary won in 2016.

 

[rightwinger]

Bernie wants the Government to do more for working people in healthcare, education and ability to retire

And idiot liberals want free shit...go figure.

No ......the Government doing things for the people is not “free shit” because it is needed

The Government doing things for the wealthy is FREE SHIT

Yes, it is free shit. Whether you need something is almost entirely subjective.

The American people deserve a standard of living that includes healthcare, education and a comfortable retirement. Other countries do it

The wealthy do not deserve a larger slice of the pie

They do that by earning a good income, dumbass. Your belief that these things can't be purchased is laughable.

Exactly what I am saying. American workers used to work 40 hours doing menial labor and they could earn a wage they could support a family on, buy a home, retire with a pension

Now it takes two wage earners and they still struggle

 

[Terri4Trump]

That's because Bernie's form of socialism is purely imaginary. In his mind, it actually works. However, Venezuela and Cuba have the real thing on display:

'Extremely Unfair': Sanders Denies His Form of Socialism Is the Same as Venezuela's or Cuba's​

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a Democratic presidential candidate, argued that his support for "democratic socialism" is not the same as the form of socialism that the government has imposed in countries such as Venezuela and Cuba.

Sanders made his comments during the presidential debate on Thursday evening. The senator was asked why he hasn't called Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro a dictator and if his socialist policy proposals are different from the socialist policies in Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua.

"Anybody who does what Maduro does is a vicious tyrant. What we need now is international and regional cooperation for free elections in Venezuela so that the people of that country can make -- can create their own future. In terms of democratic socialism, to equate what goes on in Venezuela with what I believe is extremely unfair. I'll tell you what I believe in terms of democratic socialism," Sanders said.

"I agree with what goes on in Canada and in Scandinavia, guaranteeing health care to all people as a human right. I believe that the United States should not be the only major country on earth not to provide paid family and medical leave. I believe that every worker in this country deserves a living wage and that we expand the trade union movement," he added.​

Sanders is a LIAR. Period. Socialism is what it is.

 

[rightwinger]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway. Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist

Correct. They would be referred to as "democratic socialist" by anyone who is paying attention.
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Democratic Socialist without a military to pay for, or a UN to pay for or NATO to pay for or 3 dozen smaller countries to provide $billions in aide to.
If America was 1/4th as nationalistic/region-centric as European countries are...we could afford many things.

No question America pays a price to maintain a military that is stronger than the next ten nations combined

It comes at the expense of modern infrastructure, affordable healthcare and education and the environment

learn your history ignorant liberal
last time we had an underfunded undermanned weak military we literally was almost taken out by one strike
does Peal Harbor ring a bell to you? took the US almost a year after that to build up a military that was capable to mount any meaningful offense to stop Japan and Germany

Prior to Pearl Harbor we had the seventh strongest army on earth
Today we are stronger than the next eight largest

Our country hasn’t been invaded in over 200 years. Time to stop the paranoia

 

[rightwinger]

That's because Bernie's form of socialism is purely imaginary. In his mind, it actually works. However, Venezuela and Cuba have the real thing on display:

'Extremely Unfair': Sanders Denies His Form of Socialism Is the Same as Venezuela's or Cuba's​

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a Democratic presidential candidate, argued that his support for "democratic socialism" is not the same as the form of socialism that the government has imposed in countries such as Venezuela and Cuba.

Sanders made his comments during the presidential debate on Thursday evening. The senator was asked why he hasn't called Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro a dictator and if his socialist policy proposals are different from the socialist policies in Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua.

"Anybody who does what Maduro does is a vicious tyrant. What we need now is international and regional cooperation for free elections in Venezuela so that the people of that country can make -- can create their own future. In terms of democratic socialism, to equate what goes on in Venezuela with what I believe is extremely unfair. I'll tell you what I believe in terms of democratic socialism," Sanders said.

"I agree with what goes on in Canada and in Scandinavia, guaranteeing health care to all people as a human right. I believe that the United States should not be the only major country on earth not to provide paid family and medical leave. I believe that every worker in this country deserves a living wage and that we expand the trade union movement," he added.​

Sanders is a LIAR. Period. Socialism is what it is.

Sanders is proposing that Government do more for the people than it does for the wealthy

That is social programs not Socialism

 

[Terri4Trump]

Prior to Pearl Harbor we had the seventh strongest army on earth
Today we are stronger than the next eight largest
Our country hasn’t been invaded in over 200 years. Time to stop the paranoia

• 9/11 killed more people than dies at Pearl Harbor you half-witted imbecile.
• Our Embassy was invaded by Iran in 1979 and we never got it back.

Its time for you to pull your ignorant head out of your stupid ass and realize that our national security depends not only on the ability to rapidly deploy anywhere in the world at a moment's notice, but we need to be able to fight two wars at the same time. So, if we are engaged in a Middle East war, N. Korea won't invade the south because they know we are strong enough to fight two wars at the same time.

Simpleton morons like you ought to keep your yaps shut on issues that you obviously know nothing about.

Sanders is proposing that Government do more for the people than it does for the wealthy
That is social programs not Socialism

Your ignorance and stupidity are frightening. NOTHING you have said in this thread is true

 

[Rustic]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Lol
Socialism is always Mandatory, Whether people want it or not… That is why it will always be a failure

If you want to think Canada, Australia, Germany and Norway are failures, great.

Or maybe you don't think they're socialist.

There's really no way of knowing what you folks actually mean by the term, so none of this conversation matters.
.

This is all you need to know about socialism...

 

[Rustic]

That's not democratic socialism.

It's closer to Venezuela and Cuba than anything.

.

Then you don't understand what they are saying.

It really isn't all that tough. I know it's easier to just scream VENEZUELA, but it's just not accurate.
.

Socialism is government ownership and control of the means of production.

Democratic Socialism is the same thing, but we all get to vote on things.



Canada, Australia, Germany, and Norway are not true "socialist" states. They have a lot of government freebies, but not straight-up government ownership and control of production, like Venezuela and Democratic Socialism.

.

And the Democrats are not after government ownership of production and distribution.

Health care? Yes, and I'm against Single Payer too. But they're not talking about ownership across the board, and non-socialist countries have Single Payer.

I just wish we could have an honest, pragmatic conversation about where along the continuum of government involvement is optimal.

Just screaming SOCIALISM or VENEZUELA at everything that moves is silly and pointless. Just like the way the Left screams RACISM at everything that moves.

I think we've lost the ability to communicate.
.

Socialism...

Instead of pictures, perhaps you could provide me with your specific definition of the term.

And example countries.

Thanks in advance.
.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

/——-/ Anhhhh the fun of socialism. Caracas is lovely this time of year. You should vacation there.

 

[Rustic]

And idiot liberals want free shit...go figure.

No ......the Government doing things for the people is not “free shit” because it is needed

The Government doing things for the wealthy is FREE SHIT

Yes, it is free shit. Whether you need something is almost entirely subjective.

The American people deserve a standard of living that includes healthcare, education and a comfortable retirement. Other countries do it

The wealthy do not deserve a larger slice of the pie

They do that by earning a good income, dumbass. Your belief that these things can't be purchased is laughable.

Exactly what I am saying. American workers used to work 40 hours doing menial labor and they could earn a wage they could support a family on, buy a home, retire with a pension

Now it takes two wage earners and they still struggle

Don’t like your station in life… Change it

 

[Mac1958]

Then you don't understand what they are saying.

It really isn't all that tough. I know it's easier to just scream VENEZUELA, but it's just not accurate.
.

Socialism is government ownership and control of the means of production.

Democratic Socialism is the same thing, but we all get to vote on things.



Canada, Australia, Germany, and Norway are not true "socialist" states. They have a lot of government freebies, but not straight-up government ownership and control of production, like Venezuela and Democratic Socialism.

.

And the Democrats are not after government ownership of production and distribution.

Health care? Yes, and I'm against Single Payer too. But they're not talking about ownership across the board, and non-socialist countries have Single Payer.

I just wish we could have an honest, pragmatic conversation about where along the continuum of government involvement is optimal.

Just screaming SOCIALISM or VENEZUELA at everything that moves is silly and pointless. Just like the way the Left screams RACISM at everything that moves.

I think we've lost the ability to communicate.
.

Socialism...

Instead of pictures, perhaps you could provide me with your specific definition of the term.

And example countries.

Thanks in advance.
.

Okie dokie, if that's the best definition you can give me, it's the best you can give me.
.

 

[Rustic]

Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist

Correct. They would be referred to as "democratic socialist" by anyone who is paying attention.
.

Democratic Socialist without a military to pay for, or a UN to pay for or NATO to pay for or 3 dozen smaller countries to provide $billions in aide to.
If America was 1/4th as nationalistic/region-centric as European countries are...we could afford many things.

No question America pays a price to maintain a military that is stronger than the next ten nations combined

It comes at the expense of modern infrastructure, affordable healthcare and education and the environment

learn your history ignorant liberal
last time we had an underfunded undermanned weak military we literally was almost taken out by one strike
does Peal Harbor ring a bell to you? took the US almost a year after that to build up a military that was capable to mount any meaningful offense to stop Japan and Germany

Prior to Pearl Harbor we had the seventh strongest army on earth
Today we are stronger than the next eight largest

Our country hasn’t been invaded in over 200 years. Time to stop the paranoia

Lol
Stop pushing for more socialist entitlement programs and maybe someone will listen to you control freaks...

 

[Rustic]

That's because Bernie's form of socialism is purely imaginary. In his mind, it actually works. However, Venezuela and Cuba have the real thing on display:

'Extremely Unfair': Sanders Denies His Form of Socialism Is the Same as Venezuela's or Cuba's​

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a Democratic presidential candidate, argued that his support for "democratic socialism" is not the same as the form of socialism that the government has imposed in countries such as Venezuela and Cuba.

Sanders made his comments during the presidential debate on Thursday evening. The senator was asked why he hasn't called Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro a dictator and if his socialist policy proposals are different from the socialist policies in Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua.

"Anybody who does what Maduro does is a vicious tyrant. What we need now is international and regional cooperation for free elections in Venezuela so that the people of that country can make -- can create their own future. In terms of democratic socialism, to equate what goes on in Venezuela with what I believe is extremely unfair. I'll tell you what I believe in terms of democratic socialism," Sanders said.

"I agree with what goes on in Canada and in Scandinavia, guaranteeing health care to all people as a human right. I believe that the United States should not be the only major country on earth not to provide paid family and medical leave. I believe that every worker in this country deserves a living wage and that we expand the trade union movement," he added.​

Sanders is a LIAR. Period. Socialism is what it is.

Sanders is proposing that Government do more for the people than it does for the wealthy

That is social programs not Socialism

Lol
Keep that shit to yourselves and quit trying to force it on people that want nothing to do with it

 

[Rustic]

Socialism is government ownership and control of the means of production.

Democratic Socialism is the same thing, but we all get to vote on things.



Canada, Australia, Germany, and Norway are not true "socialist" states. They have a lot of government freebies, but not straight-up government ownership and control of production, like Venezuela and Democratic Socialism.

.

And the Democrats are not after government ownership of production and distribution.

Health care? Yes, and I'm against Single Payer too. But they're not talking about ownership across the board, and non-socialist countries have Single Payer.

I just wish we could have an honest, pragmatic conversation about where along the continuum of government involvement is optimal.

Just screaming SOCIALISM or VENEZUELA at everything that moves is silly and pointless. Just like the way the Left screams RACISM at everything that moves.

I think we've lost the ability to communicate.
.

Socialism...

Instead of pictures, perhaps you could provide me with your specific definition of the term.

And example countries.

Thanks in advance.
.

Okie dokie, if that's the best definition you can give me, it's the best you can give me.
.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Sanders is proposing that Government do more for the people than it does for the wealthy

That is social programs not Socialism

A good question for you. Try to answer without rhetoric.
Which is better -
1) A corporatist
2) An elitist
Second question -
When one or the other controls society, which is worse for the average citizen? What is the ultimate result of both?

 

[rightwinger]

Prior to Pearl Harbor we had the seventh strongest army on earth
Today we are stronger than the next eight largest
Our country hasn’t been invaded in over 200 years. Time to stop the paranoia

• 9/11 killed more people than dies at Pearl Harbor you half-witted imbecile.
• Our Embassy was invaded by Iran in 1979 and we never got it back.

Its time for you to pull your ignorant head out of your stupid ass and realize that our national security depends not only on the ability to rapidly deploy anywhere in the world at a moment's notice, but we need to be able to fight two wars at the same time. So, if we are engaged in a Middle East war, N. Korea won't invade the south because they know we are strong enough to fight two wars at the same time.

Simpleton morons like you ought to keep your yaps shut on issues that you obviously know nothing about.

Sanders is proposing that Government do more for the people than it does for the wealthy
That is social programs not Socialism

Your ignorance and stupidity are frightening. NOTHING you have said in this thread is true

Sorry Sweetie

But we have no obligation to be defender of the world
The sad truth is that our military does not defend the country. Most of our defense dollar goes to protecting our markets around the globe.
We spend 40 cents out of every defense dollar on earth

We pay a social price and the money for defense prevents us from having modern infrastructure, low cost higher education, healthcare for all

Other countries do it

 

[rightwinger]

Sanders is proposing that Government do more for the people than it does for the wealthy

That is social programs not Socialism

A good question for you. Try to answer without rhetoric.
Which is better -
1) A corporatist
2) An elitist
Second question -
When one or the other controls society, which is worse for the average citizen? What is the ultimate result of both?

No idea what you are babbling about

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Sanders is proposing that Government do more for the people than it does for the wealthy

That is social programs not Socialism

A good question for you. Try to answer without rhetoric.
Which is better -
1) A corporatist
2) An elitist
Second question -
When one or the other controls society, which is worse for the average citizen? What is the ultimate result of both?

No idea what you are babbling about

Again, you are not that dumb.