'Extremely Unfair': Bernie Sanders Denies His Form of Socialism Is the Same as Venezuela's or Cuba's

And the Democrats are not after government ownership of production and distribution.

Health care? Yes, and I'm against Single Payer too. But they're not talking about ownership across the board, and non-socialist countries have Single Payer.

I just wish we could have an honest, pragmatic conversation about where along the continuum of government involvement is optimal.

Just screaming SOCIALISM or VENEZUELA at everything that moves is silly and pointless. Just like the way the Left screams RACISM at everything that moves.

I think we've lost the ability to communicate.
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Socialism...
Instead of pictures, perhaps you could provide me with your specific definition of the term.

And example countries.

Thanks in advance.
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Okie dokie, if that's the best definition you can give me, it's the best you can give me.
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Interesting quote
“hate the man who is better off than you”

Conservatives have an interesting spin on that, Hate those who are worse off than you, blame the poor .......just to distract you from the Wealthy
 
Sanders is proposing that Government do more for the people than it does for the wealthy

That is social programs not Socialism

A good question for you. Try to answer without rhetoric.
Which is better -
1) A corporatist
2) An elitist
Second question -
When one or the other controls society, which is worse for the average citizen? What is the ultimate result of both?
No idea what you are babbling about
Again, you are not that dumb.

Still no idea what you are babbling about
 
Socialism is government ownership and control of the means of production.

Democratic Socialism is the same thing, but we all get to vote on things.

:dunno:

Canada, Australia, Germany, and Norway are not true "socialist" states. They have a lot of government freebies, but not straight-up government ownership and control of production, like Venezuela and Democratic Socialism.

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And the Democrats are not after government ownership of production and distribution.

Health care? Yes, and I'm against Single Payer too. But they're not talking about ownership across the board, and non-socialist countries have Single Payer.

I just wish we could have an honest, pragmatic conversation about where along the continuum of government involvement is optimal.

Just screaming SOCIALISM or VENEZUELA at everything that moves is silly and pointless. Just like the way the Left screams RACISM at everything that moves.

I think we've lost the ability to communicate.
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san-fransisco-third-world-hellhole.jpg



Socialism...
Instead of pictures, perhaps you could provide me with your specific definition of the term.

And example countries.

Thanks in advance.
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1*ZCwdx_LWi8-jeTgGgSDkBQ.jpeg
Okie dokie, if that's the best definition you can give me, it's the best you can give me.
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san-fransisco-third-world-hellhole.jpg



Socialism...
Instead of pictures, perhaps you could provide me with your specific definition of the term.

And example countries.

Thanks in advance.
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1*ZCwdx_LWi8-jeTgGgSDkBQ.jpeg
Okie dokie, if that's the best definition you can give me, it's the best you can give me.
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the-whole-gospel-of-karl-marx-can-be-summed-up-11764042.png


Churchill-Socialism-650.jpg
Interesting quote
“hate the man who is better off than you”

Conservatives have an interesting spin on that, Hate those who are worse off than you, blame the poor .......just to distract you from the Wealthy
Everyone’s at the station in life they are supposed to be, Envy rules the mind of the progressive
 
That's because Bernie's form of socialism is purely imaginary. In his mind, it actually works. However, Venezuela and Cuba have the real thing on display:


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a Democratic presidential candidate, argued that his support for "democratic socialism" is not the same as the form of socialism that the government has imposed in countries such as Venezuela and Cuba.

Sanders made his comments during the presidential debate on Thursday evening. The senator was asked why he hasn't called Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro a dictator and if his socialist policy proposals are different from the socialist policies in Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua.

"Anybody who does what Maduro does is a vicious tyrant. What we need now is international and regional cooperation for free elections in Venezuela so that the people of that country can make -- can create their own future. In terms of democratic socialism, to equate what goes on in Venezuela with what I believe is extremely unfair. I'll tell you what I believe in terms of democratic socialism," Sanders said.

"I agree with what goes on in Canada and in Scandinavia, guaranteeing health care to all people as a human right. I believe that the United States should not be the only major country on earth not to provide paid family and medical leave. I believe that every worker in this country deserves a living wage and that we expand the trade union movement," he added.

Sanders is a LIAR. Period. Socialism is what it is.
Sanders is proposing that Government do more for the people than it does for the wealthy

That is social programs not Socialism
Government does virtually nothing for the wealthy.
 
san-fransisco-third-world-hellhole.jpg



Socialism...
Instead of pictures, perhaps you could provide me with your specific definition of the term.

And example countries.

Thanks in advance.
.
1*ZCwdx_LWi8-jeTgGgSDkBQ.jpeg
Okie dokie, if that's the best definition you can give me, it's the best you can give me.
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the-whole-gospel-of-karl-marx-can-be-summed-up-11764042.png


Churchill-Socialism-650.jpg
Interesting quote
“hate the man who is better off than you”

Conservatives have an interesting spin on that, Hate those who are worse off than you, blame the poor .......just to distract you from the Wealthy
Dehumanizing them makes them easier to ignore.
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That's because Bernie's form of socialism is purely imaginary. In his mind, it actually works. However, Venezuela and Cuba have the real thing on display:


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a Democratic presidential candidate, argued that his support for "democratic socialism" is not the same as the form of socialism that the government has imposed in countries such as Venezuela and Cuba.

Sanders made his comments during the presidential debate on Thursday evening. The senator was asked why he hasn't called Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro a dictator and if his socialist policy proposals are different from the socialist policies in Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua.

"Anybody who does what Maduro does is a vicious tyrant. What we need now is international and regional cooperation for free elections in Venezuela so that the people of that country can make -- can create their own future. In terms of democratic socialism, to equate what goes on in Venezuela with what I believe is extremely unfair. I'll tell you what I believe in terms of democratic socialism," Sanders said.

"I agree with what goes on in Canada and in Scandinavia, guaranteeing health care to all people as a human right. I believe that the United States should not be the only major country on earth not to provide paid family and medical leave. I believe that every worker in this country deserves a living wage and that we expand the trade union movement," he added.

We must try it again to make it work. This time with Bernie there will be no problem.
 
Instead of pictures, perhaps you could provide me with your specific definition of the term.

And example countries.

Thanks in advance.
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1*ZCwdx_LWi8-jeTgGgSDkBQ.jpeg
Okie dokie, if that's the best definition you can give me, it's the best you can give me.
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the-whole-gospel-of-karl-marx-can-be-summed-up-11764042.png


Churchill-Socialism-650.jpg
Interesting quote
“hate the man who is better off than you”

Conservatives have an interesting spin on that, Hate those who are worse off than you, blame the poor .......just to distract you from the Wealthy
Dehumanizing them makes them easier to ignore.
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Lefties are the ones who are ignoring them.
 
Lots of talking points, memes and photos regarding "socialism" by the Trumpsters, but precious little detail or definition.

Talk radio doesn't have to get into detail.
It has been defined 10,000 times in this forum. You've been given tons of detail. You simply ignore it, and then claim for the 10,000th time that no one has defined it.
 
Lots of talking points, memes and photos regarding "socialism" by the Trumpsters, but precious little detail or definition.

Talk radio doesn't have to get into detail.
It has been defined 10,000 times in this forum. You've been given tons of detail. You simply ignore it, and then claim for the 10,000th time that no one has defined it.

These people whose families come from America elsewhere and then demand that America be changed to their ideals need to go fuck themselves in any case. Mac should have just moved to Germany and stopped the bitching if that's the country he prefers. Incredible whinery...

So far it seems that the travel of people is only one way. Looks like it is America that keeps working and attracting people, while those *much better countries* attract no one, except maybe the 3rd world horde.
 
Instead of pictures, perhaps you could provide me with your specific definition of the term.

And example countries.

Thanks in advance.
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1*ZCwdx_LWi8-jeTgGgSDkBQ.jpeg
Okie dokie, if that's the best definition you can give me, it's the best you can give me.
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the-whole-gospel-of-karl-marx-can-be-summed-up-11764042.png


Churchill-Socialism-650.jpg
Interesting quote
“hate the man who is better off than you”

Conservatives have an interesting spin on that, Hate those who are worse off than you, blame the poor .......just to distract you from the Wealthy
Dehumanizing them makes them easier to ignore.
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Handouts have never helped a soul...
 
Lots of talking points, memes and photos regarding "socialism" by the Trumpsters, but precious little detail or definition.

Talk radio doesn't have to get into detail.
It has been defined 10,000 times in this forum. You've been given tons of detail. You simply ignore it, and then claim for the 10,000th time that no one has defined it.
Every time I try to get into detail on this, I get talking points, memes and photos.

It appears that Trumpsters are convinced that there is only America or Venezuela. That's it. No in between. I don't know if these people actually believe this, or if they simply lack the capacity to discuss the issue intelligently.

What Trumpsters refuse to either understand or admit (who knows) is that all of this exists on a continuum. You yourself used the term "more socialist" and I told you I liked that, because it indicated you can perceive that continuum.

It's very clear that most Trumpsters don't share that capacity.
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Lots of talking points, memes and photos regarding "socialism" by the Trumpsters, but precious little detail or definition.

Talk radio doesn't have to get into detail.
Lol
The Fact remains conservatives cannot survive socialism… No matter how much you talk it up
 
Okie dokie, if that's the best definition you can give me, it's the best you can give me.
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the-whole-gospel-of-karl-marx-can-be-summed-up-11764042.png


Churchill-Socialism-650.jpg
Interesting quote
“hate the man who is better off than you”

Conservatives have an interesting spin on that, Hate those who are worse off than you, blame the poor .......just to distract you from the Wealthy
Dehumanizing them makes them easier to ignore.
.
Lefties are the ones who are ignoring them.
Lol
See: San Francisco
 
Lots of talking points, memes and photos regarding "socialism" by the Trumpsters, but precious little detail or definition.

Talk radio doesn't have to get into detail.
It has been defined 10,000 times in this forum. You've been given tons of detail. You simply ignore it, and then claim for the 10,000th time that no one has defined it.
Every time I try to get into detail on this, I get talking points, memes and photos.

It appears that Trumpsters are convinced that there is only America or Venezuela. That's it. No in between. I don't know if these people actually believe this, or if they simply lack the capacity to discuss the issue intelligently.

What Trumpsters refuse to either understand or admit (who knows) is that all of this exists on a continuum. You yourself used the term "more socialist" and I told you I liked that, because it indicated you can perceive that continuum.

It's very clear that most Trumpsters don't share that capacity.
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Socialism has a 100% failure rate, it’s been tried countless times in countless different forms.
Millions of Americans want nothing to do with it who are you to say they should be forced into the shit?
 
Lots of talking points, memes and photos regarding "socialism" by the Trumpsters, but precious little detail or definition.

Talk radio doesn't have to get into detail.
It has been defined 10,000 times in this forum. You've been given tons of detail. You simply ignore it, and then claim for the 10,000th time that no one has defined it.
Every time I try to get into detail on this, I get talking points, memes and photos.

It appears that Trumpsters are convinced that there is only America or Venezuela. That's it. No in between. I don't know if these people actually believe this, or if they simply lack the capacity to discuss the issue intelligently.

What Trumpsters refuse to either understand or admit (who knows) is that all of this exists on a continuum. You yourself used the term "more socialist" and I told you I liked that, because it indicated you can perceive that continuum.

It's very clear that most Trumpsters don't share that capacity.
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You claimed no one has defined socialism. I've defined it and so have numerous others. You simply don't like the definition. The fact that some rightwingers have slightly different definitions is meaningless. Talk to 5 different self-described socialists, and you'll get 5 different definitions of socialism. However, most of their definitions will be absurd and self-serving.
 
Lots of talking points, memes and photos regarding "socialism" by the Trumpsters, but precious little detail or definition.

Talk radio doesn't have to get into detail.
It has been defined 10,000 times in this forum. You've been given tons of detail. You simply ignore it, and then claim for the 10,000th time that no one has defined it.
Every time I try to get into detail on this, I get talking points, memes and photos.

It appears that Trumpsters are convinced that there is only America or Venezuela. That's it. No in between. I don't know if these people actually believe this, or if they simply lack the capacity to discuss the issue intelligently.

What Trumpsters refuse to either understand or admit (who knows) is that all of this exists on a continuum. You yourself used the term "more socialist" and I told you I liked that, because it indicated you can perceive that continuum.

It's very clear that most Trumpsters don't share that capacity.
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You claimed no one has defined socialism. I've defined it and so have numerous others. You simply don't like the definition. The fact that some rightwingers have slightly different definitions is meaningless. Talk to 5 different self-described socialists, and you'll get 5 different definitions of socialism. However, most of their definitions will be absurd and self-serving.

This guy had experience with socialism and it still remains the best definition what socialism really is...

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He faced the ultimate form of socialism… The Nazi hordes
 
Lots of talking points, memes and photos regarding "socialism" by the Trumpsters, but precious little detail or definition.

Talk radio doesn't have to get into detail.
It has been defined 10,000 times in this forum. You've been given tons of detail. You simply ignore it, and then claim for the 10,000th time that no one has defined it.
Every time I try to get into detail on this, I get talking points, memes and photos.

It appears that Trumpsters are convinced that there is only America or Venezuela. That's it. No in between. I don't know if these people actually believe this, or if they simply lack the capacity to discuss the issue intelligently.

What Trumpsters refuse to either understand or admit (who knows) is that all of this exists on a continuum. You yourself used the term "more socialist" and I told you I liked that, because it indicated you can perceive that continuum.

It's very clear that most Trumpsters don't share that capacity.
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Socialism has a 100% failure rate, it’s been tried countless times in countless different forms.
Millions of Americans want nothing to do with it who are you to say they should be forced into the shit?
Against my better judgement, I'll try one more time.

Let's forget the term "socialism" for a moment.

Do you understand that the level of size, cost, depth, power and authority of government exists on a continuum?

Yes or no?
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Lots of talking points, memes and photos regarding "socialism" by the Trumpsters, but precious little detail or definition.

Talk radio doesn't have to get into detail.
It has been defined 10,000 times in this forum. You've been given tons of detail. You simply ignore it, and then claim for the 10,000th time that no one has defined it.
Every time I try to get into detail on this, I get talking points, memes and photos.

It appears that Trumpsters are convinced that there is only America or Venezuela. That's it. No in between. I don't know if these people actually believe this, or if they simply lack the capacity to discuss the issue intelligently.

What Trumpsters refuse to either understand or admit (who knows) is that all of this exists on a continuum. You yourself used the term "more socialist" and I told you I liked that, because it indicated you can perceive that continuum.

It's very clear that most Trumpsters don't share that capacity.
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Socialism has a 100% failure rate, it’s been tried countless times in countless different forms.
Millions of Americans want nothing to do with it who are you to say they should be forced into the shit?
Against my better judgement, I'll try one more time.

Let's forget the term "socialism" for a moment.

Do you understand that the level of size, cost, depth, power and authority of government exists on a continuum?

Yes or no?
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Bump.

Please respond to my clear, specific and direct question, thanks.
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